Forum Post: I don't believe it is necessary to continue occupying Zucotti park.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 28, 2011, 10:57 p.m. EST by GypsyKing
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With stolen generators, and a winter storm on the way, I don't believe there is much to be gained by staying in Zucotti. The message has been given loud and clear to Wall Street! The victory was won standing down the enforcers of corrupt authority. Time to regroup, stratagize and focus on the General Assembly. Just thoughts.
OWS is an amazing sucess story. The occupiers and their supporters are heros. No matter what happens now, those at Zuccotti Park started a world wide protest. They have every right to be proud. And every right to continue to occupy.
Yes, there is every right to continue to occupy, but Zucotti occupied or not OWS has started a global movement! That IS success by ant standard!
Continue to occupy.
I people have the stamina, and it won't just sap the movement, than continue to occupy.
WE
ARE
NOT
LEAVING.
And no, I will not turn off the bloody caps lock.
hahaha love u stranger
If they leave the park everyone will yell it was a failure.
Troll
This is true, and they will finally be able ratchet up their discrediting & disinformation campaign.
They will call it, just a fad. And, they will claim victory. Remember they can buy their own politics, we have a voice only when we fight hard to be heard.
We're winning. And we're being heard now. It's not time to fold the tent. Not yet.
There will be those who claim this; however, there isn't a politician in this country today who has not reponded (although we many not be able to see it yet) to the OWS protests. To have thousands of Americans all over the United States screaming that they want democracy is the MOST embarrassing thing that has happened to our leaders in decades. They have egg all over their faces. The entire world is watching. Will the United States step up to the plate and practice what it preaches? Stay tuned.
Politicians will only continue to pay attention if the movement continues... Otherwise... out of site, out of mind
don't be so sure. they're still pushed by the bureaucratic forces and lobbyists
Add more people, as many as possible. Don't give up. If they make it through the winter, there will truly be an American spring.
The enthusiasm people are showing on the ground for staying is just amazing! I'm truely astonished! That is the kind of commitment we need. I feel that people are really changing my mind about this. My hat is just off to everyone here!
We are being ridiculed. They are calling it zuccini park.
i checked weather its bad only tonight..its going to be sunny again as the storm passes.. kudos to those who staying put inspite of weather... its okay if some cannot stand the weather, and for your health reasons.. keep it going....
I understand what you're saying. And more should be done. But we're not there yet. Let's continue to occupy and work towards what you're saying. E-mail me tiberio.saraceno@gmail.com if you want to talk more personally about it.
I say stay as long as you can, but even with generators, at some point you guys will probably get frozen out. The weather is not the same as it used to be, and this year will see a repeat of the blizzards from last winter.
Yeah the folks actively interested in opposing OWS will claim we lost, but so what? I would enjoy nothing more than seeing them gloat about how we lost for a couple of months only to watch with horror as we hit the streets with double strength in the spring.
I don't think a lot of people understand how big this is becoming, it's hard for most folks to count on a logarithmic scale. I also don't think a lot of them understand the back ways of the web, they come to this website and the GA website, make a head count, and think they have a handle on it, but none of the folks most interested in stopping this movement have any concept of how deep the rabbit hole goes. If they did, they'd shut the internet off tomorrow :)
Yeah, it's not just about Zucotti park anymore, but if there are people who really want to stay, I say more power to them!
We're going to stay for Valley Forge Winter 2012 AND come back double strength in the spring.
Even better :)
First off, greetings from Australia. Just letting you know that your message is being heard world-wide and I would like to congratulate you all on the job well done so far. However, the movement is far from over if you wish it to be successful which is why in my opinion it’s important to continue to occupy. Now I understand that NY winters are ruthless and I know that it’s easy to shoot my opinion off when I’m so far away in a safe environment however, disassembling from Zucotti Park will only lose the movements momentum. If you guys disassemble now, the “1%” will view this as a victory and this will affect any future plans of assembly as your movement will be portrayed by the general public as ‘just another protest’. The movement’s momentum has already achieved world-wide attention and inspired others to establish their own occupancies.
In my humble opinion, for now I would concentrate on recovering the generators and any other facilities required for the winter to come. Once that is established you may then continue on your path to change, which I believe is possible. Your government’s efforts to stop the movement are only strengthening it as witnessed with the police brutality being carried out on you guys. Scott Olsen’s story has been posted all over the internet and even being covered by the mainstream media from my understanding, which is why I feel your government is strategically trying to take a different approach on the matter, hence the confiscation of the generators, kerosene etc; targeting the peoples morale and will to continue fighting. I believe if you guys can figure out a way to make it through the winter then success is not only tangible but close. All the best with whatever you decide on guys… no matter what happens you should all be proud of what you’ve accomplished so far and I will continue to monitor your cause with encouragement. Peace and support from your friend down-under.
This is a well thought out point, and makes me question my own reasoning on this point. Thanks Austrailia.
Its coming into the summer months down under. The NYC winters can kill folks if outside, especially down town with the wind chill. Life and limb is at stake.
Is there a plan for daily protests should people be forced to "unoccupy"?
I'm guessing some occupiers are truly homeless at this point. Is there a count of people who became homeless in order to occupy (no longer have a place to go should they be forced to leave)
Why not protest but not occupy? I see many of you saying "the victory was won"....."we started a worldwide movement". How is that a victory? It is a HUGE defeat to occupy then leave with no demands met. It basically gives everyone the message that protesters are merely a bunch of kids with short attention spans. You didn't even make one demand or have it met. Even a ransom note does that. The protest should continue. I saw no point in the occupation to begin with as I think it hurt the cause. But the protest should not end.
The protest must not ever end. It is a state of being to refuse to cooperate with evil
I spoke to reporter Lou Young, from CBS Channel 2 news this evening who told me that there are 20 bike generators on their way from Boston to Z park tonight at midnight. Not sure if they got there or not. Please post if you learn any updates! Thanks!
You got it.
The good aspect of the cold is that it ought to numb out the cops a good bit too.
They'll be sitting in their cars or shuffling their feet if on foot patrol just trying to stay warm.
Occupy Washington.. hardcore? But why stop whats working? 10% in US already support the movement after a month.. just imagine how much that will shoot up once Republicans realize this isn't a Democratic Party movement..
That's for everyone to decide, but I feel we need now to work on building the network. It's possible to produce big events only if energy can be sustained. We also need to build support.
Thats why people need to preach the actual message, and to get rid of the Marxist or any other kind of stupid small politcal changes.. The first thing is to get the system back into the American peoples hands. After that, then people can discuss a better solution.
So, dont be scared to use social media or even bring OWS up in discussion. People wont think your crazy if they actually know what the movement is about, because its a movement FOR THE PEOPLE.
Absolutely
Continue to Occupy!
That's your decision. I respect that point of view.
I respect yours too :)
If people want to stay at the Park, that is their decision. However, it is important to take the Movement to the next level and that means organization. It means organizing a nationwide network of chapters to promote mass protests at a moment's notice. In a lot of communities, it is hard to make the commitment of a sustained occupy movement. Already, authorities are moving in and shutting down some of them. I think it very credible that most will be gone by Thanksgiving with a few exceptions. This does not mean the movement ends but begins a second phase of meetings, building membership. and weekly or monthly planned protests, with major protests planned in L.A., San Fran, New York, Washington, etc. with a long range plan to occupy Washington DC with civil disobedience.
Yes, this phaze has succeded beyond all expectation!
At some point, you will probably be booted out. They are waiting for the opportunity to do so. Looking for excuses. The undercovers amongst you are checking you out and plotting. I have seen this before at the 1972 Republican Convention. Watch for those in their later twenties to early forties, either sex nowadays which makes it harder to discover. They are pretty straight. Check out their shoes. You got to use your intuition on this. Some of these people are real bastards. Back in 1960s, they infiltrated a group of my friends and really fucked people up. Be aware of what you say and to whom. They are no doubt preparing a bust but timing is everything. They are looking for an opening. No need to be paranoid about it. When it happens, they will come out in force. Their aim: intimidation. Fortunately, you all got cameras. So they have to take this into account. Stay calm, take good photos and video and have witnesses. Do not over-react. Some of the scum suckers are posting here, or at the very least monitoring. Remember the boy-scout motto: be prepared. Forewarned means being forearmed (metaphorically speaking).
Lots of hand warmers and electric blankets
Unless someone has a zero point energy device handy.
I formally invite* everyone to come down to oakland. It's warm all winter :-)
Might be a good idea to start purchasing those bike generators.
I saw those bike generators and thought of the movie "Soilent Green" that's set in the future.
/shiver
I remember seeing them advertised about 30 years ago. The idea was to get couch potatoes to loose wight by forcing them to peddle to watch TV.
I love the idea.. maybe one like a treadmill would be good too. They could double as dog-walkers.lol Did you ever see "Soilent Green"? Very frightening movie. All the 99ers should see it as well "THX 1138" and read Orwells 1984.
I had some of that soilent stuff the other day. Very tasty. I'm thinking of giving it to the kids for Holloween.
It's going to get cold and I want to go home, someday we will look back at this movement with pride and say the news covered us then, we stood for nothing, accomplished nothing, but we sure as hell protested when the weather was good
you stood for everything- accomplished a great deal- you were wonderful. you will be remembered in the history books - bringing freedom a a once enslaved peoples
Wow I must be Abraham Lincoln or Moses
no -- you aren't even a part of this movement- and are attempting to stop it. this movement can't be stopped.
No I'm just bored, to be honest I really want the movement to continue, watching the most fortunate people who ever existed on this planet protest against how society is unfair is so funny sometimes I am shocked its real
Ignore the trolls. Think on your feet.
Perhaps that would be the impression of many, if everyone just went home and went back to sleep.
TROLL
Not a troll. I have lived in severe winter weather. It is serious, and must be taken into consideration. If everyone can really deal with it, fine, stay. If not plan round two. Just throwing this out there.
Sometimes it's better to bend than possibly break.. People must make a realistic assessment. If conditions become intollerable, and people are forced to leave later, it will generate a hail of press derision, even if it's 42 below outside
I understand what you are saying; however, many may not yet be ready to move to the next phase or further south for the winter. I understand that too. Tomorrow night will be very cold and rainy. Most likely some will leave. That will be when those that remain will need to decide (or not) what their course will be.
Fine, just realize that leaving the park, if necessary, DOES NOT make the movement a failure. On the contrary, it has been the most successful movenment in modern history and is only about a month old.
I agree totally. It is amazing. I am so proud of the protesters. I go to Zuccotti Park as often as I can to support them and myself as a member of the 99%.
I wasn't calling you a troll, I was calling "roloff" a troll, for his extremely cynical comment : "It's going to get cold and I want to go home, someday we will look back at this movement with pride and say the news covered us then, we stood for nothing, accomplished nothing, but we sure as hell protested when the weather was good"
Thank you for that, Tiouaise. I have read many of your comments and I really care what you think.
Thanks, GypsyKing. that's very motivating. :)