Forum Post: I call all the 70 million Catholics in United States to join this OWS movement!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 11:56 a.m. EST by CatholicGuy
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I'm a Catholic, I'm from an Irish family, and I would like to call all the 70 million Catholics in the United States to join this beautiful movement for democracy and social justice that is OccupyWallStreet!
No matter if you are from an Irish family, Italian family, Polish family, Puerto Rican family, Mexican family, Filipino family or any other ethnic origin, if you are a real Catholic you should join this movement for democracy and social justice!
Just read what Pope John XXIII wrote on the encyclical "Mater et Magistra" in 1961 and what Pope Paul VI wrote on the encyclical "Populorum progressio" in 1967:
"They concern first of all the question of work, which must be regarded not merely as a commodity, but as a specifically human activity. In the majority of cases a man's work is his sole means of livelihood. Its remuneration, therefore, cannot be made to depend on the state of the market. It must be determined by the laws of justice and equity. Any other procedure would be a clear violation of justice" (Mater et Magistra)
"As for the State, its whole raison d'etre is the realization of the common good in the temporal order. It cannot, therefore, hold aloof from economic matters. On the contrary, it must do all in its power to promote the production of a sufficient supply of material goods, "the use of which is necessary for the practice of virtue." (7) It has also the duty to protect the rights of all its people, and particularly of its weaker members, the workers, women and children. It can never be right for the State to shirk its obligation of working actively for the betterment of the condition of the workingman." (Mater et Magistra)
"It is furthermore the duty of the State to ensure that terms of employment are regulated in accordance with justice and equity, and to safeguard the human dignity of workers by making sure that they are not required to work in an environment which may prove harmful to their material and spiritual interests." (Mater et Magistra)
"Concerning the use of material goods, Our Predecessor declared that the right of every man to use these for his own sustenance is prior to every other economic right, even that of private property." (Mater et Magistra)
"In the social field we have the development of social insurance and, in the more economically advanced communities, the introduction of social security systems. Men in labor unions are showing a more responsible awareness of the major social and economic problems. There is a progressive improvement in basic education, a wider distribution of essential commodities" (Mater et Magistra)
"We therefore consider it Our duty to reaffirm that the remuneration of work is not something that can be left to the laws of the marketplace; nor should it be a decision left to the will of the more powerful. It must be determined in accordance with justice and equity; which means that workers must be paid a wage which allows them to live a truly human life and to fulfill their family obligations in a worthy manner." (Mater et Magistra)
No one may appropriate surplus goods solely for his own private use when others lack the bare necessities of life. In short, "as the Fathers of the Church and other eminent theologians tell us, the right of private property may never be exercised to the detriment of the common good." When "private gain and basic community needs conflict with one another," it is for the public authorities "to seek a solution to these questions, with the active involvement of individual citizens and social groups (Populorum progressio)
"Individual initiative alone and the interplay of competition will not ensure satisfactory development. We cannot proceed to increase the wealth and power of the rich while we entrench the needy in their poverty and add to the woes of the oppressed. Organized programs are necessary for "directing, stimulating, coordinating, supplying and integrating" (35) the work of individuals and intermediary organizations." (Populorum progressio)
I am a successful internet entrepreneur, I created some successful websites, I have a nice house and a nice car. But as a Catholic, I must fight this unfair and anti-Christian system, where greed reigns and many human beings are deprived from their basic needs.
Once again, the common goals of social equity trump the peripheral ideas about social orchestration and individual morality. I would wholeheartedly love to see Catholics sitting beside athiests and homosexuals in support of the common goal of a clean government and fair society.
That which unites is stronger than...oh, what was it again?
I have no problem sitting beside atheists, homosexuals and "pro-Choice" people, if it's a common fight for social justice. Jesus didn't refuted the lepers, Jesus didn't refuted Mary Magdalene ...
Not generally a big fan of religion in general, but statements like these do give one pause.
Check this out. Not OWS related, but you may dig it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4
As "Mater et Magistra" says:
"In their economic and social activities, Catholics often come into contact with others who do not share their view of life. In such circumstances, they must, of course, bear themselves as Catholics and do nothing to compromise religion and morality. Yet at the same time they should show themselves animated by a spirit of understanding and unselfishness, ready to cooperate loyally in achieving objects which are good in themselves, or can be turned to good."
We are ready to cooperate loyally in achieving common goals which are good.
More from "Populorum progressio":
"Each man is also a member of society; hence he belongs to the community of man. It is not just certain individuals but all men who are called to further the development of human society as a whole. Civilizations spring up, flourish and die. As the waves of the sea gradually creep farther and farther in along the shoreline, so the human race inches its way forward through history.
We are the heirs of earlier generations, and we reap benefits from the efforts of our contemporaries; we are under obligation to all men. Therefore we cannot disregard the welfare of those who will come after us to increase the human family."
Agreed. Very nice perspective
Thank you.
You're welcome. Looking back, I have realized that it was my 8 years in Catholic schools that shaped my views about social justice.
When I see some of the mean-spirited things that come out of the mouths of public figures who flaunt their piety and their Catholicism, I have to wonder what schools they could have gone to and whose Catechism they were reading.
For me, compassion and justice are a given.
I've already realized that most people who attended Catholic schools have a deep sense of social justice. This is a usual thing.
Very nice! I actually had a conversation with someone that said "greed is good"! To which my response was "greed is a personal failure of morality".
I believe that for capitalism to be most successful it MUST include responsibilty and ethics. NOT greed. Greed always destroys. The financial crisis is a perfect example. And here we are!
There is a big difference between prosperity and greed. Prosperity - good. Greed - not.
Not sure we can get the greed out completely. Thats why it is imperitive to have strict government regulation, especially of the financial industry. Glass-Stegall and MORE!
And corruption - of our government. Definately not good! This is the root cause of so many of our problems. This MUST change. 1% buys their representation. 99% are left with the scraps.
Greed is one of the Seven deadly sins
Indeed! I think this movement could really benefit from some spiritual support. Especially to talk to Acedia, which is somewhat how we got to this terrible point in our country. And Greed of course.
Shout out to spiritual leaders! Help support this movement!
It's time to show "the Catholic ethic and the spirit of social justice". This is who we are.
The full text of "Mater et Magistra", in English:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_xxiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_j-xxiii_enc_15051961_mater_en.html
The full text of "Populorum progressio", in English:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_26031967_populorum_en.html
Yes, it's time for that great divisive lie to fall. Christians, jews, muslims, atheists, buddhists, don't actually hate each other. Power has simply a long history of using religions to set groups of people against each other.
All it takes is for a few crafty folks to convince people of a certain faith that some other faith is trying to impose it's beliefs on them by force (be it law or arms). It is then easy for them to make the case that the same sort of force is needed in defense, and then elect themselves their protectors. Quickly enough, the other side sees this as threatening and crafty opportunists emerge there in the same way. Instant, unflinching loyalty, regardless of the issues shared by both groups beforehand, all thanks to a little fear-mongering and co-opting.
Let's not fall for it. We can all peacefully debate ethics and morals once we have a decent and fair society.
Of course. The faith imposed by sword has no value. People should respect other people, regardless of having the same faith or not.
You could also go higher than the pope and post many quotes by Jesus in support of helping others. It'd be good to have a reminder.
I remember a professor saying that when Mexican American and Filipino farm workers in the 1960s carried signs showing la virgen de Guadalupe in their protests, it was very effective because then outsiders couldn't claim they were communists.
You're right. Jesus himself taught us about social justice.
You could also go higher than the pope and post many quotes by Jesus in support of helping others. It'd be good to have a reminder.
I remember a professor saying that when Mexican American and Filipino farm workers in the 1960s carried signs showing la virgen de Guadalupe in their protests, it was very effective because then outsiders couldn't claim they were communists.
You could also go higher than the pope and post many quotes by Jesus in support of helping others. It'd be good to have a reminder.
I remember a professor saying that when Mexican American and Filipino farm workers in the 1960s carried signs showing la virgen de Guadalupe in their protests, it was very effective because then outsiders couldn't claim they were communists.
You could also go higher than the pope and post many quotes by Jesus in support of helping others. It'd be good to have a reminder.
I remember a professor saying that when Mexican American and Filipino farm workers in the 1960s carried signs showing la virgen de Guadalupe in their protests, it was very effective because then outsiders couldn't claim they were communists.
You could also go higher than the pope and post many quotes by Jesus in support of helping others. It'd be good to have a reminder.
I remember a professor saying that when Mexican American and Filipino farm workers in the 1960s carried signs showing la virgen de Guadalupe in their protests, it was very effective because then outsiders couldn't claim they were communists.
Hope they come!
I hope so.
Thanks for this. Welcome.
Thank you.
More from "Mater et Magistra":
"In modern times we have seen an extensive increase in the number of workers' associations, and their general recognition in the juridical codes of single States and on the international level. But it is worthwhile stressing here how timely and imperative it is that workers be given the opportunity to exert their influence throughout the State, and not just within the limits of their own spheres of employment."
-< Restrain from dissent >-
More from "Populorum progressio":
"Economics and technology are meaningless if they do not benefit man, for it is he they are to serve. Man is truly human only if he is the master of his own actions and the judge of their worth, only if he is the architect of his own progress"
More from "Mater et Magistra":
"Economic progress must be accompanied by a corresponding social progress, so that all classes of citizens can participate in the increased productivity. The utmost vigilance and effort is needed to ensure that social inequalities, so far from increasing, are reduced to a minimum."