Forum Post: !!!HYPOCRITES!!! Occupy Oakland makes $20K deposit at Wells Fargo
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 9, 2011, 12:13 p.m. EST by andrescepeda50
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Last week, one or more Occupy Oakland protesters smashed the windows of a Wells Fargo branch.
This week, the group’s general assembly agreed — in a near-unanimous vote Monday — to temporarily place $20,000 of the group’s money in an account at the country’s fourth-largest bank holding company, Wells Fargo Bank.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/11/occupy-oakland-makes-20k-deposit-wells-fargo
Read the article, not just the headline.
"According to meeting minutes posted on a Facebook page for the “Oakland General Assembly,” the group’s lawyer, Tim Fong, will temporarily keep a $20,000 donation from Occupy Wall Street in a Wells Fargo account, until he can finalize paperwork needed to open a credit union account for the group. The move is necessary to expedite the money’s availability for bailing out jailed protesters, the minutes said."
Temporarily or not, does not anyone in Oakland understand 'principles?' If you do not BELIEVE in what you're protesting for, why are you protesting? Is Oakland JUST about the violence they can't control? Im a bit angry that me standing in our camp with a sign for hours is made a mockery. You couldn't have held onto the cash just ONE more day to open a credit union account?? Saying it another way... Either do or do not..there is no try.
Camp out with $20000 in Oakland? I've from GA and I never been to Oakland, but ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??? DIEING COULD HAPPEN!
Try putting that same microscope on government and corporate actions. Those are the "professionals". We're just a bunch of people trying to figure out how to do the right thing.
Even using the big bank for temp storage still shows how much you need them around.
Probably the idiot lawyer's standard escrow account.
The idiots are the occupy organizers that hire a lawyer that does his business with the same people they're protesting.
The idiots are the people picking away at every little mistake that occupiers are make in the process of creating a true democracy while ignoring (or abetting) the abuses of government and financial interests upon the whole society.
You don't hire a lawyer by mistake. The OWS general assembly was supposed to show by example that the movement did not need to resort to the U.S. legal or banking systems to conduct its daily business. This is a deliberate admission of failure.
Where did the GA makes such a determination? It never happened.
So the rest of your conjecture is bullshit. OWS is a failure because it has not completely dropped out of society? OWS is a huge success and growing daily despite those - like yourself - who would tear it down.
Look at the election results yesterday. Radical republican senator in Arizona recalled. Ohio anti-union legislation defeated. Mississippi "life at conception" resoundingly defeated in public referendum. The media has stopped talking about cutting debt, and Eric Cantor is running from angry conservative crowds at town halls.
The people are now awake and acting. That is not failure. It's only two months, and success beyond our wildest dreams.
no they don't have to drop off society, just don't do business with the same people you're protesting. Is not a hard concept for most, but for the Occupy people with their low IQ's probably is.
bad move
"temporarily".... sure ok.
It's hard to say if this post has any real evidence to it. It didn't even sound like Wells Fargo knew if it was true. Show me a 1st person source and then I will get upset.
It appears that there is a first person source: the Wells Fargo representatives and the minutes of the GA. As it states in the article, they are still working on the required paperwork to become a unincorporated association, after which they will be switching to a Credit Union.
it's on their own website.
The decision was posted at Occupy Oakland's site for its general assembly. http://www.occupyoakland.org/press-releases/
Oh, that's not that terrible. It doesn't seem like anything to get upset over. : /
They needed immediate access to the money in order to support legal fees. There is a limitation on availability whenever you open a new account at a bank or credit union depending on their policies.
so what you're saying is that they were not able to find a credit union willing to help Occupy, instead, they went with the bank with the better and more convenient policies to their customers.... interesting concept.
No - they gave the money to their attorney who had an established trust fund at Wells Fargo until they gain their exemption and can transfer the funds into a credit union. They didn't open a new account at Wells Fargo...
and why would you hire a lawyer that does business with same people you're protesting? I mean seriously, can you at least hire a lawyer that is part of the movement and support the occupy initiatives? he's just going to make an exception for occupy, but he's keeping the rest of his business in the big bank.
All valid points. I'm not defending their actions nor do I know what led up to their final vote other than it was almost a unanimous decision based on immediate need.
Do you inquire as to your lawyer's financial institution or anyone else you do business with? They are teenagers, young Americans and everyday people who have only been together for about a month. Mistakes are going to be made and this was one.
Oakland has bigger issues than this part of the snafu and If they are still in that camp two weeks from now I'll be very surprised.
Have you asked your lawyer where he puts his money? Have you ask where you buy groceries where they put their money?
They explained the situation in the most transparent way possible. And that is something to be proud of. Instead of hiding they choose to disclose.
You are a troll trying to divide OCWS. You are either doing it for pleasure (go to a psychiatrist) or for money (an agent). I do not know, and quite frankly I do not care.
My respect for the people of Oakland for their transparency.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
"temporarily"... sure it is.
Once Occupy becomes a "legal" entity, it makes is a lot easier for someone ( business owners, angry residents ) to sue them and take their money.
I don't think they realize that yet.
OPD signed a consent degree in 2003 that OPD would only use minimum force in future protests. So OPD is violating its court order.
Occupy Protester Shot by Oakland Cop, Unprovoked.....In a video recently uploaded on YouTube, an unidentified protester holding a video camera, filming a police line during the early hours of Thursday, Nov. 3, was shot with a rubber bullet or a beanbag round after repeatedly asking police officers: “Is this okay?”
They control all the money transfer business, what would you suggest hand deliver cash to the group?
Yes. That is what everyone had to do before the advent of modern banking. If OWS is not willing to live out its convictions, then its diatribes against the banking system are so much hypocracy.
where do you keep your money, under the mattress, your asking for intellectual purity.
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andrescepeda.....Are you his spokesmen? There is no such thing as intellectual Honesty. Only Intellectual dishonesty.
Ah, the harsh reality of what "necessary evil" feels like has washed the masses of OWS. It is a bitter awareness, unwelcomed, and not leaving in the foreseeable future.
Its temporary. Wellsfargo bought my bank out a year ago. There are no credit unions open to the public in the town I am banking in. All the banks have these chain websites. Many charge fees I am not having to pay at the moment. So until I find a good bank who isn't trying wrack up the charges, my money is where it is too. I am planning a move soon and thought I would change it before setting up my utilities on autopay. Its temporary, its not forever. Now that I know they made Billions and with subsidies got extra money from the Government, I'm ticked off. If they can't pay their taxes with all their billions, why on earth should I pay their fees?
I feel dirtied.
ok, this is just hilarious. "we hate you! and we're going to take you down! but you mind keeping our money until we eventually get our shit together?"
Thats occupy
lol
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are you F** serious? wells fargo needs to keep the money and pay for the repairs the occupy mob caused them.
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lol, 20K window replacement fee
Yea...not too many credit unions have ATM's on every corner.
Think about this, after every revolution when a tyrant is tossed out, another tyrant steps in. Always. If OWS ever takes power then after several years, it will be tossed out.
Actually, that is okay, in fact better. Jefferson said government said the government should be shook up ever 20 years to keep it honest and fo rthe people.
that's not exactly how he said it.... ( ask timothy mcveigh ). You may think violence is ok, but most people don't
You're right, Jefferson did say brute force would likely be necessary because the powers that be aren't likely to throw up there hands and say, "oops, you're right we'll leave and let you fix this." He didn't advocate brute for per se but believed it was better than living under tyranny.
I too am a passavist. That is why I like the occupations and general assemblies. The overall message is peace and co-operation (a few rotten eggs not with standing). Perhaps for once in the 40,000 years of human existence we are coming to a place where people are learning to affect change without bloodshed. King and Gandhi have shown us that it is possible.
I for one
Seriously? There was no bloodshed or violence involved in the changes that came about due to Gandhi or King? Martin Luther King and Gandhi were both SHOT/murdered. I call that bloodshed. How many people were beaten, shot, killed, and tortured because they were involved with both movements?
I agree that both King and Gandhi were non-violent themselves. But the changes they brought about involved a whole hell of a lot of bloodshed.
Gandhi? Really? Have you seen how the majority of people live in india?
ows won't take anything. These people are failures on their daily lives so you can't expect them to succeed on this or any other effort
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This gets more hysterical by the day.
haha. When they decided too denounce the monetary system and banks, they walked right into this one.
Hey Occupy Oakland, how's that extra large cup of hypocrisy taste?
I don't think they're even bright enough to get it, it goes right over their head.
I think they get it, but then the cognitive dissonance sets in and the "double think" it and make excuses to explain it away (just as they did for weeks about the rapes and other violent assaults).
Lol, this was money given to occupy Oakland by OWS and what do they do? they turn around and give it back to the big banks. you just can't make this stuff up.
Could you explain your logic.