Forum Post: hypocrisy and irony defined....
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 9:15 a.m. EST by youngtimmyb
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- Compalin about coroprate greed using Facebook
- Do this using Apple devices
Part of the problem not the solution anybody?
I've also seen pictures of people smoking whilst protesting. anybody know how much political pressure the smoking companies have. Guess whose money paid for that?
Sad, silly, fools aren't you all?
This would be funny except Apple and Facebook weren't responsible for tanking our entire economy then accepting interest free government bailout bounds with tax payer money while unemployment and foreclosures skyrocket. By the way, those unemployment and foreclosure stats are plateauing. Profits for those financial firms? Also skyrocketing.
This isn't ironic detachment, it's ignorant detachment. Educate yourself.
Apple and Facebook are ran by the 1%
Exactly.
Try to look past the rhetoric and to the issues at hand. The 1%/99% bit is about making this group inclusive.
All part of the same machine though, are they not? Think that huge corporations like them had no political sway at all in the sitation? Now who is ignorant?
Also looking at some of the stated aims of OWS shows they are "against greed". Whilst increasing the wealth of the greedy.... That is irony defined!
Why would I expect a technology company regulate the financial sector? Sure it'd have been great if they had taken up that cause but that is neither their fault or responsibility. To imply some sort of complicity because both were on operating on the free market is absurd.
This is willful ignorance. The statement about greed is in reference to the
I would expect any large company with large amounts of money to employ people to protect that money... Or do you think that larege firms of accountants don't have sway in how the financial institutions work?
I'm still not seeing how either Facebook or Apple had anything to do with the 08 recession.
Are they on the stock market? Was that part of the 08 recession?
You're making absolutely no sense. Every publicly traded company in the US is some how culpable now? This is like punishing every student in a school if five of them snuck off to a closet to play with matches. That and this insinuation are beyond absurd. You punish the five kids that had the matches and the teachers who gave them the matches.
And just so there isn't any confusion: The five kids are the financial firms that tanked our economy. The other students are other businesses. The teachers are government.
No one is against consumerism. We all buy products to live and to entertain ourselves. These things are not evil. What is evil is how the banks blew up the housing market, how corporations got in bed with our politicians, etc. We want those practices to stop. If one were to try and boycott every prodcut and service by a corporation that has done something wrong, you might as well go live in a cave somewhere. Another fact is that many people bought their products without knowing that the company they bought them from has done something wrong, only to find out later. Am I going to throw out my laptop? No. I'm going to ask that company, as a consumer, to change. And I'll use my laptop to spread the word.
Why not return it to the manufacturer saying that you refuse to use it or buy any more of their products until they change their ways? Enough people doing that would make them change.
That's an interesting idea. But would I get my money back in order to buy from a different company? Then would I just be out of a laptop? Honestly, if it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't know anything about this movement. Right now, I view using technology and services sold by corporations as a necessary evil in order to connect and spread the word. That's not ideal, but it'll have to do for now. At least, that's the way I see it.
Do you have libraries with computers? It'd be another reason for the government to invest in them if people kept using them for internet access perhaps.
If corporate-produced items help me protest against their practices, I'd say that's their failing. More than one way to look at it sir. Oops they made products that help their enemy.
We could all agree to sew our own clothes and use smoke signals, but that would only be hurting ourselves. Don't protest by chopping off your own arms.
You don't have to use them though. There is an option that doesn't involve, or limits your participation in what is being compalined about.
Do you think for one second that Apple care what you use their products for? No. They only really care about your money. (Using a general your here of course).
Why would making your own clothes and using other methods that don't just increase the wealth of the wealthy be a bad idea? Or is it ease and comfort that rules the roost?
Mobile devices with cameras help spread awareness of what's going on in the movement.
Technology in general makes anything move more smoothly. If we're reduced to making our own clothes etc. it takes focus away from what we need to do, slows everything down.
In any protest, protesters end up judging each other for not protesting "as purely as I am", getting up on high horses etc. It's not worth it. Support whoever is willing to put in whatever level of dedication they feel like.
If you want to sew your own clothes and foresake all technology, then I salute you. But don't put others down for not following suit.
You're getting me slightly wrong. I see things a bit differently though. I see that we have a whole load of people wanting more and trying to find a way of getting more. This isn't a change in the world it's just more people wanting in to an exclusive club to eat the fine food and drink the fine wines.
Not really going to change the world now, is it?
That's a surface judgment.
Do you know how the federal reserve system works? Do you believe in it? Do you know how corporate lobbying works?
Dig a little deeper and research what we're protesting against, rather than presuming to know it all must be baseless whining by greedy teenagers.
I prefer to see it as occams razor. That I've distilled it down to the base argument.
That's a good one, but occam's razor has nothing to do with laziness. You haven't distilled anything; you've foregone actual research in favor of a broad generalization. In order to distill information you need to gather it first.
Oh look it's this thread again.
Looks like they are onto us, guys. We better stop driving GM cars and using our smartphones, too. Maybe we can just walk and use smoke signals instead?
Or only buy or use products and services from providers that can prove a positive impact on the world and tell those that do not why you refuse to use them. If we all did that the world would change and change quickly.