Forum Post: How does revolution work?
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 29, 2011, 1:17 a.m. EST by ContinuationofEarth
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Do you need a permit to make revolution? Do you go to police and ask "excuse me sir, we are about to take down the government and make a revolution, do you know a suitable place for us to do that" ? I believe you make revolution by claiming your basic rights and fight for it. We have constitutional right to revolt when the government no longer represents us. I look for ideas and brainstorming about how this is going to work out at the end.
Stage 1) Create alternative peer-2-peer wireless internet (beyond the ability of governments/corporations to control/spy upon)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc-JHT0gNtk
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qc-45mQjcs5ous-QxUMAk5bHuVrJLLSigzdWlTVTKIg/edit?pli=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_networks
Stage 2) Global General Strike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_strike#Concept
Stage 3) Seize the means production and distribution (e.g. Railways, power-plants, manufacturing centers etc) and place them under the directly-democratic and horizontal control of working people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parecon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism
Stage 4) Revolution for fun and profit!
The Machine depends on our obedience and cooperation to function.
What becomes of The Machine if its cogs refuse to turn?
We have but to simply withdraw our obedience.
"But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it?"----George Orwell,
1984Do you need a permit to make revolution? .... We have constitutional right to revolt when the government no longer represents us.
So you don't need a piece of paper to say you can have a revolution, but, you can have a revolution because a piece of paper says so.
You put your left foot in, you take your right foot out, you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around. . . . .
Now, I wish I could give you a serious answer to this gravest of questions. Look to the past, friend. See what has worked in the past in India, in America, etc.
What has worked? Will it work here?
Very valid question; I was referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_independence_movement and the American Revolution.
Will it work now (?) is maybe the more relevant question. So much has changed with media dynamics; it's not isolated pockets of resistance and propaganda, the propaganda is in the air, it's the media itself, and our greatest enemy is ignorance and apathy, which some say is too profound in the Country now to overcome anytime soon.
I don't know.
Clearly we cannot keep doing things with the old societal molds and political machinery. This is not sustainable in any way. But how to get people out of their comfort zones and passionate about true democracy in the U.S., remains to be seen.
To paraphrase Howard Zinn [given all the massive problems we face, and the uncertain road in fixing them. . .] It's going to take three or four weeks to really change things.
Yeah, maybe three or four years before we start seeing important shifts in the habits of the majority, if we're lucky.
The US Constitution is the Supreme law of the land and trumps all laws, even at state and local levels, people in what was the greatest country on the earth have forgotten this. All answers are in that document !
"If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it."
Do you have enough support to revolt? I think not. This movement will get crushed like the SLA. You will be lucky to make "political criminal" status, you will most likely just get charged for slander and vandalism.
the type of revolution you speak of only profits the 1%. check your history books. what has never been tried is changing society and government by changing social perception of what normal is. you have to keep reinforcing the idea of disgusted with uber-wealth. you have to shame people that support uber-wealth. as it is, the 99% and OWS is a force in political speak. keep the momentum. slow torquing and bending the system to the will of the 99%.
shape it don't break it.
This 1% is a pretty smart kind. I hope you are right and slow revolution is possible but I am also afraid change might not come without a real revolution.
When revolutions occur a power vacuum almost always develops. Most of the time the military (if it is still standing, as is generally the case with non-violent revolution) is the only force strong enough fill that vacuum and take over the country. Military dictatorships once established generally don't like handing over power to civilian authority. Ala, Egypt
If the rebel group formed their own military guard (as is the case with Libya) that group generally consolidates power, and if everyone is lucky they allow others to be involved with it.
If revolution is created by an outside military force (ala Iraq) Generally the outside military force does what it can to help set up and create a government whom will support the military country's interests.
These are 3 very recent examples of revolutions and how they worked out in the end.
So you say you want a revolution? Are you sure that's what you want? Or perhaps the structure we have can be fix without tearing it all down and hoping for the best.
I look for ideas and brainstorming about how this is going to work out at the end.
I can say, only from self.
How it will possible?
Only by the way of elections. In all World.
You should post text, not images with text on them. I can't read it because the text is too small for my eyes. Use MarkDown to create a list of points, then save that to a file if you want to copy past them in. Using images to display text is the biggest sin on the Internet.
You are Right.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/enterprise-rent-a-car-murders-children/
The Revolution starts here!