Forum Post: How do Banks become more wealthy from economic collapse?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 8:22 p.m. EST by LOVEPEACE
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They Don't. So why are you confused? Because you still believe it's about money.
Our Masters dominate with violence. They enforce the economy. They do not collect dollars. They collapse the economy as a pretext to war. Wake Up. Demand Peace.
That statement is false. Banks and investment firms have been garnering great wealth from the economic collapse of countries across the globe. A new form of "investment strategy" has sprung up and been more and more refined over the last 20+ years surrounding buying the debt of countries amid economic and political turmoil, and waiting for the country to collapse. Once the country restabilizes, and a new regime is in place, Venture Capitalists move in for their kill. Venture Capitalism, has investors using the American court systems to force countries to pay on the debts of its previous political organizations, and drives them further into collapse.
Its legal maneuvering, and while its well within the legalities of our current systems, it destroys nations. Argentina, Liberia, the Congo, Rawanda; these nations all presented the opportunity for these highly specialized investors. They've already wreaked their havoc on many nations, with countless others waiting in the background, like the proverbial boiling pot.
i'm pretty sure the last 2 years of negative net income for most of the banks is not helping them to 'garner great wealth'
Banks are not the authority. A guy who prints money does not need to accumulate it. Why is that so hard to understand.
Bank CEO's do not print money. They borrow it from the FED. The FED does not accumulate money to buy things. They don't need land or cars or money to buy people. Although they do hand it out to people who in turn do this. How does the fed have authority? They have it because the people who own it are ruthless and evil and violently dominate ANYONE who threatens their authority. They control economy. They control the value of all currencies. So when you see the economy being imploded it is NOT for the true power to "make" money. Because we know they can make money by printing more and lending it to people that accumulate it. No. They implode it to exercise their control. They implode it as a pretext to WWIII. They make world war to re-organize their control grid. They don't care if you reform the US banking system because they KNOW there is no inherent value in the US banking system. THEY dictate the value with violence and threat. They are not nice people. Have you seen any videos of war? Libya? Children with their face blown off by NATO bombs? The same in Iraq.. Afghanistan. This display of brutal force is what gives them Authority.
Time to get money out of politics on both sides of the aisle and fix our corrupt and bought out trade, tax and banking system.
http://www.getmoneyout.com/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/09/dylan-ratigan-mad-as-hell-his-epic-network-moment/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/03/job-wanted-jobs-ending-rigged-trade/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/04/jobs-wanted-ending-rigged-tax-code-jobs/
http://www.dylanratigan.com/2011/08/05/jobs-wanted-ending-rigged-banking-jobs/
Get it out of politics and put it where? The government has no power or Authority. They bow to Violent domination and if they go against it they will be killed.
That is the plan. That is why the economy is being imploded by design. To bring about WWIII.
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You got it brother. Peace is Prosperity. Peace, Love and Truth are the undying, infinite and unbeatable power.
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According to the organizer,
"Together we can ensure that these banking institutions will always remember the 5th of November!! If the 99% removes our funds from the major banking institutions to non-profit credit unions on or by this date, we will send a clear message to the 1% that conscious consumers won't support companies with unethical business practices.
• Research your local credit union options • Open an account with the one that best suits your needs • Cancel all automatic withdrawals & deposits • Transfer your funds to the new account • Follow your bank's procedures to close your account before 11/05"
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=281139538577206
Here is what I suggest:
Do not move all of your funds. To put this big of a strain on the system may be irresponsible. Move some of your money out. Just opening an account will send the signal we need.
To find a Credit Union:
http://www.findacreditunion.com/ http://locator.cucentral.com/ http://www.findyourcreditunion.co.uk/
I don't know why the protesters are assembling in front of Wall Street. It's not Wall Street or the big banks that are to blame. It's the politicians who only serve their greedy need for power, so they their corrupt souls to the highest bidders. An example of the corruption are the small community banks. Small community banks are the ones that understand the needs of our communities and they invest in local businesses, which create jobs...but here comes, let's say, Bank of America...it lobbies a senator to pass tough banking regulations. Why do you ask? Because B of A can afford the tough regulations, and the small banks cannot...so the small bank goes out of business, and now the local businesses have to jump through hoops to get their loans...no loans, no business, no jobs in your community. Go drive around your town, how many small banks do you see? But check out the many Banks of America, Wells Fargo and Chase. Exactly. Do you people NOT GET IT! IT IS THE POLITICIANS!!!! GET THEM OUT OF OFFICE. TERMS LIMITS FOR EVERYONE!
It's the Masters of the Politicians. The one's that force bribe's of money backed by violent threat. They kill and murder to get what they want.
highly agree with DaveATR
will also mention that usurping old banks/investment agencies/insurance corps also, inevitably, results in larger profits for a small percentage
Yes but those that chase profits are peons to the violently dominate. The profits the chase, valued in dollars are backed up by their ruthless master's ability to kill and dominate the entire world.
New Goal for the 99%: Pull ALL of your money out of each and every bank that got bailed out or you feel is ripping you off with monthly fees and hardly no interest rate. MOVE your MONEY to someplace safer!
War! Whooo? WOou WOou WOou, What' is 'it good' for?
Having a 2/3 concentration of Wealth and Income in the hands of the Top 10%, as we have today, results in bouts of instability (or cycles) because the Bottom 90% of Workers are basically deceived, via advertising, etc, by the Top 10% to create “new” bubbles in various rolling sectors of the economy, (such as the 2008 mortgage bubble, the 2000 tech bubble, etc). Creating continuing and periodic rolling bubbles like these are great at creating Wealth and Income for the Top 10%, but result in periodic systematic robbery of the Bottom 90% of Workers as they fall for the hype and overextend themselves financially, as the 1% WANT THEM TO DO, as evidenced by economic history -- if it works, then repeat history. Consequently, all we are really eliminating is the instability (or cycles) created by these “bubbles” of the Top 10%, especially the banking “bubbles”, the most devastating, which occur once per Generation (such as the 2008 mortgage bubble, the 1990 savings & loan bubble, etc). Consequently, to eliminate this periodic and systemic victimization of the Bottom 90% of Workers we decentralize, and thus diversify, all Wealth and Income across all 100% of the people by Occupational & Generational Experience, with the significant exceptions for Knowledge Power in the 50% Global Investment Groups of Commodities, Technology, Manufacturing, Insurance, Justice, and Banking because these require extensive Knowledge Power. Bottom line, all 100% of the people will become Sophisticated Investors & Officers as a result of their Generational Voting Power in their related 1 of 48 Business Investment Groups by Occupation & Generation, and thus will be much less likely to fall for any further hype in the hope of bubbles for the top 10% in the future.
For more info see: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
If you read the statistics the top 10% change quite frequently. I've worked paycheck to paycheck, slept in train stations and earned 7 figures all in the same lifetime
I didn't say the 10% population wouldn't change frequently, for ANYONE can gain Knowledge Power if they put in the EFFORT like you, but we're talking about eliminating bubbles (or cycles) so nobody has to "sleep in train stations", right?
IMO you can't legislate morality and nobody complains about bubbles on the way up
The Bottom 90% of Workers complain about bubbles on the way down; you don't because of your investments, so they, likewise, should chip-in $500 apiece to become Bank Owner-Voters, and thus hold investments, like you do so wisely.
As I said in the above in the 2nd link, you, if a Bottom 90% Worker and Bank Owner-Voter would earn Interest Income. Interest Income comes from Bank Profits. Bank Profits are 40% of ALL Corporate Profits. Consequently, 40% of ALL Corporate Profits is a HUGE amount of "additional income" split EVENLY by all Bank Owner-Voters as Interest Income. Interest Income comes from Business Loans that you, PERSONALLY, voted-upon in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups by current Occupation & Generation, but IF, and only IF, the Bottom 90% of Workers are LOYAL to themselves as BOTH Customer-Investors and Employee-Investors of their Businesses, and thus become Sophisticated Investors & Officers like you.
We have credit unions already. Put you $500 there
First, Credit Unions are not organized as I have outlined into 48 Business Investment Groups where the Bottom 90% of Workers PERSONALLY decide Business Loans, and related Individual Business Proposals, according to their Occupation & Generation.
Second, Credit Unions DON'T pass through ALL the Interest Income; the vast majority of their Interest Income gets siphoned off to the 10% just like at any other Commercial Bank today, for it's yet another scam designed to benefit the Employer, the true owner of the Credit Union.
Consequently, again, the Bottom 90% of Workers have no choice but to create their own Bank (or Credit Union) organized as I have described IF they want liberty and justice for all.
Yes it is a sick system. People participate under duress. If they don't they will be killed.
It's like we all see the problem. We can clearly observe people OBSESSED with collecting dollars. The more they make the more they want. Why? Because they are chasing freedom. The more you make the more you understand the source of that value. The more you try and get closer to it. The source is violent domination. Our economic model is enforced through violence and threat. Just take a look at the wars, the oppression. Sick and violent people rule ABOVE the richest we observe.
Agreed, it's a sick system, and it's the system, not people, which should be blamed.
Yes, each person that is willing to face it for what it is and Demand Peace and an end to war is FREE of the system. They need courage and need to be inspired to stand up against the violent domination. There is no other way to freedom and liberty.
Agreed.
They don't become wealthier at all, on the contrary, they're among the most affected... an if they fail, they can drag down entire economies after them...
People, if you see someone chasing dollars understand they are enslaved just like you. People of violence control them.
Its all about the naked shorting that is still going on by market makers and hedge funds! Stop that and you will solve the majority of the Problems affecting our system. Fix it Now before it’s too late!
"How do Banks become more wealthy from economic collapse?"
By holding a gun to the government's head and saying they'll blow up the economy if the government doesn't fork over .75 trillion in cash.
You'd have to be in a coma for the last three years not to know that
Who gave them the authority to blow up the economy?
USE YOUR HEAD. So they make money by threatening to implode the economy they control? So they can make money from people that are infinitely indebted? Think of what you are saying. It is NOT about money.
It is about VIOLENT DOMINATION. If i have a gun i take your money. THEY have the ACTUAL gun. They ARE collapsing the rigged economy and it's not for money. It is a pretext to WWIII.
They plan on murdering billions to re-organize the global prison camp they OWN and operate. They don't need money. They OWN money and make us play with it.
"Who gave them the authority to blow up the economy?"
I don't know. Its a ridiculous question. Who gives a terrorist the authority to blow up an aircraft?
"So they make money by threatening to implode the economy they control? "
I would say so. They continue to get free money from the government to this day to the tune of billions. I would say the threat worked..
Friend. Value is real. When you do work you give something value. When you create you give something value. If our government wasn't threatened, if our government controlled our military, then they would not be threatened to kneel to FAKE value and debt right? We have people here who produce value. SO WHY would they kneel? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY. They are under violent threat. They SEE who the REAL power is and kneel to it. And that power is Violent Domination. Not money. Please just think about what i am saying.
The one who has the biggest gun, the most armor AND is willing to kill, mutilate, destroy are the one's that do not collect money. They DICTATE the economy and people follow out of fear, not because they are confused about it.
They collapse the economy to exercise their power and desire to kill billions and re-organize their control grid and everyone follows along out of fear. Bank CEO's, politicians climb up the corrupt ladder to self preserve not collect money. They try and get as close to the power as they can in hopes they will not be dominated by it. But they know they are not free because the see how ruthless and violent their Master is.
"Please just think about what i am saying."
Yes, I will do that. I appreciate your patience!
I apologize if this pushes you away. Thanks for listening. Truly. My only hope is to stand together in Peace with anyone who is willing. So thank you. And PEACE brother! I hope you find freedom and liberty and Peace. I stand with you.
"I apologize if this pushes you away." You didn't.
My only hope is to stand together in Peace with anyone who is willing. So thank you. And PEACE brother! I hope you find freedom and liberty and Peace. I stand with you.
Beautiful!
In peace and compassion!
DEAR INDIVIDUAL READING THIS, What must we as people do to fight this grave injustice inflicted upon us, by the ones who lust for power? How can we end the reign of the wicked and immoral and mete JUSTICE upon the oppressors as we have suffered from their hands-their blood stained hands... An idea of REVOLUTION-no, the act of revolution enacted by the proletarians! Must we as individuals ,as is always done, remain pawns to these people, these monoliths that we alone as individuals cannot surmounted...I surmise that we are not ignorant to the woes inflicted upon us by their enormities? We must UNIFY! Unity will be the way in which we assert ourselves!...While I realize all are not are not without income or funds and many cannot unify with this growing movement do to reasons of possible opposition and they being the people I'm question who we oppose (Wall Street), and many have responsibility they must tend to that take precedence. We must rise and vanquish this behemothto restore the equilibrium, for when disturbed it causes much chaos and strife in the hearts of man( man being neutral to represent all genders) in his mind and when mans mind and soul are in chaos as many are they rise to vanquish the pestiferous wealthy. However we should not just target these individuals, each of us individually must confront the corruption in our hearts, how can we judge the corrupt and deem them so when we cannot be amenable for ourselves we will surely be deemed hypocrites as we will be.....I am not meaning to say that this protest is in any way unjust, for far too long have we suffered, I mean that we are expected to expiate our sins -assume our parts in the problems we face and how we may have caused it. Yes, the Bankers on Wall Street are corrupt in ways we don't have evidence of without an investigation. But as we suffer soshall they, for we will make it so. But what of our government I say, my fellow citizens do not neglect to Confront the complicit in this affair for the roots of corruption are deeply seated, we have silent enemies amongst us-be warned that although succession in our goals will happen we may face a greater threat to our rights granted unto us from birth be prudent and circumspect. Another issue I wish to address is the idea of mans continual corruption as all things will be permeated with this darkness Inside our hearts.......when a system is created it always deviates from the righteous path, for nations we have learnt of in our education are littered with tales of nations that became corrupt and faded Into the ruin of collapse, we know that a society without corruption is utterly inconceivable, impossible in ways each and everyone of us know...for as long as men exist so shall our inner evil....but I digress from my original Intent of this passage and I ask forgiveness as we must forgive all in all eventual....the rising potentiality of this movement is quite an astonishment, I thought we were not capable of such things and thus I admit I had less faith in my fellow man. I see that we have all come to the realization of the need to bring the greedy to justice, although the reasons for your protesting may be unique to you, you share many goal, I had prognostications, inklings seems more appropriate of a term, that one day man would wake to realize the greater truth outside of his/her reality, and break the cycles of obsession with superficial base needs and trite motives, a dull and predictable lot we were but we've surpassed that I hope....for if not we will founder and fall Into the patterns we had grown so accustomed to, living such prosaic pedestrian lives stultified by the elite and of our own ignorance we always have the means to educate ourselves in this age, we have no limits to what we may learn based on our status in society, the powerful can no longer succeed in keeping us stupefied we have freewill to reason and learn and form our own ideas, ideas that would otherwise have died by the hands of the bigots! Our endeavours shall be crowned with fruition of our goals for our will allows it, we have broken free from the will of the oppressors.... part...now it is your turn...as Desmond Tutu stated "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." YOURS TRULY- Aaron Thomas Bridge
Spot on my friend.
UNITE NOW, World WIDE and DEMAND PEACE. Forgive yourself for supporting this evil and then take back your moral authority, without judgement, Demand PEACE. Those who support violence will be known. Direct your demand, peacefully to them. And like you say, take ownership of the violence in yourself and the fear and judgement first.
This is it. Demand Peace together. Everything else will follow naturally without effort. Freedom and Liberty thrive in an environment of Peace. Demand it now because "they" have planned something very evil for Good people of all nations.
The Bilderberg Group decides what banks get saved
Why do people listen to them? I mean at the highest level.. We know it's not money. Just like a mob. The boss is the most violent, the most ruthless, the most dangerous, the evilest.
Demand Peace NOW. This is all a pretext to WWIII and MASS death.
Banks might not make money from a TOTAL collapse, but don't kid yourself that they don't profit from economic downturns. Check out the article about Goldman Sachs that ran in Rolling Stone magazine a couple years ago. There's a link around here somewhere. A one point they were pushing their product on institutional investors (derivatives maybe?) and secretly shorting it at the same time. Made a ton of money on a crap product from the investors, then another ton of money on Wall Street when the real estate market collapsed. A fascinating, and infuriating, article.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405
Yeah, that's the link. Thanks, sewen. An article like that is enough to piss off anybody. A real eye opener.
Who gave Goldman Sachs the bailout money? How did those who gave the money (your tax) have the power to do that?
Goldman sachs is not your Master. They are prison guards at best. Your true Master operates outside of the economy. Your true master's power lies in his violent domination. His ability to make war, his ruthlessness, his ability to murder and dominate. If you are evil and have a gun you don't need money. You take whatever you want. Look at the military we have. Who runs the military?
The economy is a red herring. The collapse has been engineered as a pretext to war. The US prison camp is scheduled for re-organization. The US dollar will be worthless.. by design.
Demand Ron Paul 2012. Because he is the only one that will end the wars we are in now and not get in more. I know the OP sounds crazy but he is not to far off. Besides even if you don't agree with him we all have a common enemy. Lobbyist and Bail Outs for the wealthy. While I do not agree with this class warfare Obama promotes and he does just to divide us and votes. These bail outs truly went straight into the pockets of the ones got bailed out and we are left with the tab.
Seems to me that the 99% just want to be richer And if there are no high income earners or wealthy people, who do you tax?
Yes because they believe that is what will make them free.
But WHY? They still believe the economy is like a weather pattern. Or that it is something organic. It is not. It has been created. Value has been enforced through violent domination. That is why the US dollar is the world reserve currency. It is backed by the US military which demonstrates it's ruthless violence daily. And so the world fears their oppressor but also supports it because it demonstrates it's authority through Violence and threat.
No money is not going to make them free.
DEMAND PEACE. Peace IS Prosperity. END ALL WARS. Tell your violent masters NO MORE!
I agree with you but we need a good plan.
I don't understand your question. You tax those who become "richer".
So tax everyone so nobody has any more or less wealth than anyone else? Rich pay 30% if their I come I. Tax and pay 60% of the tax right now. And if you're rich enough, municipal bonds are not taxed
You mean the rich have so much of the country's wealth that they pay 60% of the tax even though they pay a lower share? Wow! That's astounding! And depressing.
Do you understand the difference between ordinary income and capital gains? Do you own a house?
Yes to both questions. That's why they need to make a change so that people can't count earnings that are essentially their own personal income as capital gains.
Valid point for sure. My personal theory is NO income tax but just a 3% WEALTH TAX. So people add up what they own net of debt and pay 3% of that. Of course it's not easy to do or administer but look at what it cost to run the current tax systen
yup
Well, all we have to do is take some of our money back from them, and then we'll be able to pay higher taxes.
Rich as not deep in debt and have jobs? Yes
Well maybe you are too hubristic to work at a job beneath you or too afraid to start at the bottom and work your way up
No Job is beneath me. I can be considered educated with skill sets. But if I could provide for the family digging ditches or mowing lawns I would do it.
A good point to make is most people don't work from the bottom up, the get to the top by quick and shady means many times, cutting corners.
In the wealthiest country in the world where the wealthy are getting massively wealthier, people shouldn't have to suffer in poverty even if that poverty isn't as bad as it is in third world countries.
Secondly, there are too many people today who can't even start at the bottom.
And there are far too many who were in the middle but dropped down to the bottom.
And there are far too many who simply don't have the capacity to even start at the bottom or to work their way up.
It's not hubris to want to have a decent job in the richest country in the world. But it most certainly is hubris to be one of the wealthy and decide that it's Class Warfare for the poor to want to live a decent life in the richest country in the world.
It's hubris to believe you are so entitled to have your "decent" job but would not do a job "beneath" you? It's hubris to believe that your economic condition has to always go "up". You probably believe real estate always goes up or stocks should go up! You get what you get and you don't get upset
That's not what people are asking for. Your argument is a strawman.