Forum Post: Hoodie Wearing Gunmen Kill 1 Wound 5 .......
Posted 12 years ago on March 30, 2012, 8:32 p.m. EST by F350
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in Bobby Rushs Chicago District.
Former Black Panther Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL) made quite a fuss when he donned a "hoodie" during a speech in the U.S. House of Representatives until he was escorted out. At the time, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) "applauded his courage" for doing so.
Meanwhile, back home in Rush's district, two men wearing hooded sweatshirts, or "hoodies," were the shooters in an incident that left one dead and five injured.
In fact, during a span of six-hours Thursday night, 13 people were shot, leaving two dead in Chicago. It would seem it takes more courage to simply walk down the street in Rush's district than it does to wear a hooded sweatshirt in the House of Representatives by way of a stunt in a bizarre tribute to a young man shot and killed in Florida during a shooting incident still under investigation.
13 shot, 2 dead in Chicago in six hours Thursday night
The worst shooting occurred around 6 p.m. Thursday when two men in hooded sweatshirts opened fire inside a convenience store in the 1400 block of West 79th Street in the Gresham neighborhood, police said.
One man was killed and five others were wounded. The victims ranged in age from 16 to 24. The gunmen fled in an SUV and police continued searching for them this morning.
There's also another report on that particuar incident here .
Perhaps if Bobby Rush and Nancy Pelosi ever got around to actually doing something to uplift the people in Rush's district, there would be fewer stories like the one above out of Chicago, and less need to don a piece of clothing in Congress in what amounts to an empty and silly gesture.
It's already started. This is what happens when Leftist Activist's and Politicians gin up the emotions and fan the flames of racial hatred through words and action (Bobby Rush).
bensZendogdad should be happy about this. All that Trolling for Trayvon has finally paid off. Planting the seeds of racial hatred and ginning up the weak minded Libs to commit violence is a typical ploy of the Left.
It must have been the hoodie. You guys remember that movie Christine (probably not, it was even a rerun for me) ... the haunted car? Now it's the haunted fucking hoodie. I mean, WTF, does this type of shit really bounce around peoples minds in this country ... no wonder why we're so fucked up.
Hey,black males commit way more criminal behavior then their percentage of population and the Hoodie is the uniform of choice.
So these are just the facts.
Is that the end of your inquiry? I like wearing hoodies (a very efficient piece of clothing if you ask me), and I'm a white lawyer for crying out loud. Oh, but if I were black and wearing a hoodie it would be a different story right? Black kids, you better run out and buy some polo shirts, because some dude who named himself after a fucking truck is scared of you.
lol!!!! great comment!!
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In fact, in certain areas, whites commit far more crimes by percentage than blacks in relation to their population size, especially in the area of illicit drug use and sales. But they are prosecuted far less often for it. It is something that has been known for many years. It is a classic example of institutional racism. And is the very thing that Van Jones commented on that got him into trouble with Glen Beck and Rush that the GOP seized upon as an excuse to get him out of the administration.
That's not to say that the underclasses, whether Black or Hispanic, don't commit more crimes in select other areas. Petty crime is correlated precisely to poverty, and since these communities are in general far more impoverished than white ones, crime is higher in those neighborhoods.
White collar crime, however, is almost exclusively a white issue, anddoes more economic damage. How many purse snatchings would it take to match the amount Bernie Madoff stole?
And how much fraud did various banks and mortgage companies engage in? How many hundreds of billions of dollars were stolen from their own clients by Goldman Sachs? A lot more than than al the muggings combined.
A sense of lawlessness can develop when protection is deigned, as crazy as it sounds there is so much violence in the drug trade in part because the cops won’t arrest people for stealing your stash, or your cart if you’re homeless.
How much the fact that black on black crime is not treated with the same level of concern as white on white, and in some places white on black has the least concern of all. Anyway good comment, epa.
Well,I can't disagree with that post and my post wasn't meant to say that other races don't commit crime in higher % comparatively.
Good post.
I thought the issue was violent crime.
Really? Where does F350 use the word "violent"? It was his post I responded to.
As to mostly petty violent crime, the correlation is to poverty, the race baiting OP notwithstanding.
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Your ignorance of the motives for crime are amazingly ignorant. You have been thoroughly indoctrinated. Congratulations!
You don't know how to read, do you? Did I mention motivation anywhere? I mentioned correlations.
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Your racist indignation is truly appalling!..
For every so-called "black man" you state has criminal behavior, there are so many more who actually work, take care of their families, love their women, love their children, and love themselves and their communities! Otherwise...my dear friend there wouldn't be so.o.o.o.o.o. many of then representing in the general population and the people of color would not be able to walk through their own communities in peace!
What do you have against people of color?
No....really!?
The "Race Card", and the "We are all victims" syndrome. I see white people speaking out against racism, but I don't hear many of these "working class Black people", of which I agree there are MANY, telling Black whiners always crying "racism" to STFU. It would be nice to see more of the good black people condemning guys like irReverend Jackson and Pig Sharpton. It would be nice to here more educated Black People speaking out against lowering testing standards for minorities in so many cases, especially in the public employment world. It would be nice to here more Black people telling the "Black gangsta's" that they are who they are BY CHOICE, not because they were born Black and that life is "unfair for them". I love a lot of Black People, but as with many whites we are done feeling guilty, tired of being blames, and tired of the categorizing of people when everyone should just be categorized as AMERICANS.
"What do you have against people of color?"
Absolutely nothing. Why would you make such an asinine stretch?
Duh!! "Hey,black males commit way more criminal behavior then their percentage of population and the Hoodie is the uniform of choice.
So these are just the facts."
Where do these facts come from? Who gathers these facts...the police, the church, the state governments...highway patrol, convenient marts, 711 stores......who? Who is being paid to gather these facts...and are they going to ALL "black neighborhoods to count the people and take surveys...what about the mixed, integrated and diverse areas of the country...like rural farms and places like that. What about Canada, could it be that the percentage is so high due to falling birth rates of "alleged" majorities....of course I don't know what group of people that could be anymore.... You guys need a whole new overhaul with your indoctrination! Good Luck with your madness!!
73% of black babies are born out of wedlock. That is a fact. Sorry, your fairy tale is just that.
98.9% of people named CCNN say really dumb things....It's a fact.
Enjoy your fairy tale...........:)
morning shooz, sorry I don't know what the idiot above is going on about, not why I'm here, I was looking at an older post saw a zendog comment, I wasn't around back then to read his stuff, could you get him back for a week, maybe? I guess i can just read more of the older stuff, but thought I would ask. (damn commented on a troll post, but hey I wanted to find you)
Yeah, way to go. Now facts are dumb. You Marxists really are vile.
You've upped it to 99%!
Congratulations...............:)
Whatever you are is even more vile, indeed.
What are you by the way?
these statistics are misleading. Don't jump down my throat yet, let me finish. I swear i'm not a stalinist. The % you have is of total black babies The main reason for this is because there has been a decline in childbirths from married black women. This would naturally cause the % of wedlock children to grow, even if the number doesn't. this page can explain it way better than i can, but yeah.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2009/02/the-math-on-black-out-of-wedlock-births/6738/
Also, more to the point, wedlock just means unmarried parents. Don't see why having kids while you are in a longterm relationship is such an evil thing...
That is a plain and simple fact, marriage is the choice of the "individual", not the "institution". Marriage is the very personal contract between two individuals.. "now"... maybe in the far distant past the practice of marriage was seen and used as a business contract, and in the more recent past as form of control of a woman's life and reproductive ability, but those misguided practices have in this latter century been redefined as the personal commitment between the two "individuals" who will be spending the greater portion of their lives together. Marriage in NO WAY legislates morality or ethics in a relationship to others in our lives. You only have to look to the vast majority of politicians to see the dichotomy of their rhetoric to actual practice of those said same morals and ethics. These attacks against women's rights is only lastest phase of regressive attempts by the right wing politicians and the 1%er's. If you can pass legislation that makes unmarried people outlaws, then you literally control peoples lives and how they live them. Hmm, Royalty and Serfs?. Master and Slaves?l...I think the intent is very obvious on the part of the 1% as to what kind of society they want to recreate... A Feudal System.. Lords controlling the lives of the serfs..the serfs of which, feud among themselves for the bare scraps the Lords dump on their floors.. This is America.! Americans better reeducate themselves about the last time a Royalty attempted to keep a boot on our necks... It was savagely messy. I hope we can avoid that this time.. but considering how many mercenary armies the rich not only own, but can afford, it is very bleak outlook for the future. Lets hope "We the People" can wrest control of our Government back from the 1% and the malicious corporations. Because if we can't do it peaceably using those few laws that haven't yet been corrupted by those sycophants in power, then the possibility exists that our nation shall once again suffer the horrors of civil war. And it will be a horror unimaginable in its scale...May the 99% prevail in awakening the American (Rainbow) People to the peril we are all in. Wastealo. Mitakuye Oyasin. Hetchetu welo
State licensed marriage does indeed have terms about morality or ethics in most all 50 states........ if it did not, becoming infamous or adultery would not be grounds/cause for divorce.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but those morals or ethics you refer to was mandated by referendum in state congresses to address the separation of property, in other words the judgements delineating a "Breach of Contract". The Church is the one who claim the moral high ground, but like the rest of our laws, church edicts are not constitutionally legitimate or allowable. As for State licenses, those were simply instituted to allow the Government to profit from legally recognizing the creation of the social contract. For a long time, yes our nation did try to mandate adultery as a justification for a dissolution of marriage, until sometime in the mid 80's when it was judged to be unconstitutional grounds for a dissolution.
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this is a misleading statistic.
I read that 40% of all births are to unwed mothers. I think that was as of 2009?
Among families that are not poor, three quarters are married. By contrast, the overwhelming majority of poor families are single-parent families; 71 percent of all poor families with children are headed by single parents, while only 29 percent are married couples.
So, again, the correlation is poverty.
What's more, 70% of ALL crimes in the country are committed by Whites. Only 29% of them are from single family homes.
Put that in your racist pipe and smoke it.
Gee, amazing how the road to poverty is paved with poor choices and bad decisions. Somebody needs to help these people with free sterilization.
Yeah, right, poor choices created poverty in this country. A legacy of slavery, Jim Crow laws, discrimination, and institutional racism had nothing to do with it.
Nor did the Libertardian policies of that have taken over in the last 40 years that concentrated the money into the hands of the very few, the 1%. The fact that 50%of ALL Americans are now living at or near the poverty line is because half of the country is stupid. The massive fraud of Wall Street had nothing to do with that. Sure, and I've got a bridge to sell you.
What a fucking moron.
Look fool, MORE than 50% of Americans are pretty much stupid.....no amount of your crocodile tears shed for them will change that fact and 90% of the population are quite limited in what they are able to assimilate.
Perhaps you are just too fucking intelligent to realize this and have never experienced the power of mass stupidity. Start your own business and try hiring a few thousand people.
http://geniusblog.davidshenk.com/images/bellcurve_2.gif
Your mother was evil and a huge moron for not pinching off your pin head at birth.
At least we know which side of that 50% you're on, and it ain't the intelligent side.
You've joined the rest of the folks spinning in circles.
Spoken like a true tool far left on the curve.
I'll match IQ scores, and personal lifetime accomplishments/successes with your neanderthal primate ass anytime you prove reasonable enough to realize how far out of your league you are swinging.
For you to come out on top, it would indeed be necessary for you to compare intelligence with someone's ass.
Well put. At least you now admit it.
I know it's unfair as at least 75% of the populations rectums possess more intelligence than you.
You're only sayin' that, because that's where you keep your head.
Such behavior tends to skew your view.
Did pokey come back yet?
I know dullards like you that were able, for an entire lifetime, to mingle and coexist with mediocre minded mainstream sheeples of painfully average intellect.
Enjoy winning your race to the bottom.
Quite the skewed view.
Thanks for proving my point. I knew you could do it....:)
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Perhaps, if those of you who live in like minded European communities, as I am sure most of you do, would stop worrying about what the people of color are doing since you never interact with many anyway, or who is being born to whom you could do something for all the other hidden pale skin race (like in the hills of Appalachia, Virgina, Southern Ohio and the backwoods of America) who are not being counted, live in poverty and have the highest rate of births not only out of wedlock, but incest as well... Remember Marcus Garvey's words: 'In another one hundred years white America will have doubled its population; in another two hundred years it will have trebled itself. The keen student must realize that the centuries ahead will bring us an over—crowded country; opportunities, as the population grows larger, will be fewer; the competition for bread between the people of their own class will become keener, and so much more so will there be no room for two competitive races, the one strong, and the other weak. To imagine Negroes (Asiatics) as district attorneys, judges, senators, congressmen, (President) assemblymen, aldermen, government clerks and officials, artisans and laborers at work, while millions of white men starve, is to have before you the bloody picture of wholesale mob violence that I fear, and against which I am working." An appeal to the Soul of White America, Marcus Garvey 1923. All emphasis added since the truth will never change. This was written in 1923 by a man who knew what was ahead of this country..hatred, vileness, deception and the inability to look at ones own failings as contributors to a peaceful society. Now how did he know this nearly 100 years ago? http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=742 So....you all had the chance to change it but you refused.....personally I don't feel sorry for any of you now, just the children who have yet to be born into this mad vat of hatred.
dude i wear a hoodie about twice a week, i'm white, and I do not believe i have ever commited "criminal behavior". If when you see a black in a hoodie that makes you scared, that's bad, and it's bad because its racial profiling. That's a big part of the issue.
don't give libs facts,they can't deal with them. it never fits their agenda and just get them more unhinged.
Let's see if that's true?
George W. Bush is the worst president in our great Nations history.
By far the worst.
I've stated a fact. How will you react?
you stated an opinion , not a fact. you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
OK.....The worst in my life time........:)
That's a fact. Live with it.
http://www.usnews.com/news/history/articles/2009/02/17/historians-rank-george-w-bush-among-worst-presidents
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500160_162-4728399.html
http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-04-21-bushrating_N.htm
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval
So you see, your post was the opinion. Not mine.
You really should stop lying to yourself. It's not healthy and you know how you hate health care.
ALL old articles that do not take the obama into the mix. what was the GDP under bush? under obama? what was the umeployment rate under bush? under obama?
Give a liberconservapublican, the facts and they will be in complete denial.
Truth is, you didn't click a link. You just jerked your knee like a FLAKESnews flake.
May I watch you unhinge some more now?
i looked at each link. they are ALL old ones that do not take into account or even mention the current president and his horrendous assault on the usa. froth on shoozy.
You'll just have to wait for the end of the century then.
Bush sucked. It's a fact. He attacked the US for over 8 years.
Horrid policy. Terrorist attack. Huge government. Phony wars. Crashed economy.
Yeah. You go ahead and try and blame it on someone else.
The World knows and you can too. You just have to accept the facts.
Now spin around in circles, it's what you do best.
how did bush attack the country? what policies? what terrorist attack? what crashed economy?
I guess you should have stayed awake for 8 long years.
For the reality, you can look back over 6 mos of posts in this very forum.
You're questions are ludicrous.
But I fear you lack the desire for the truth.
my questions are quite sane and focused. i asked you simple questions in regard to your sweeping statements. you dont/cant answer , typical dem/lib/progressive/ marxist tactic.
OIC You're just plain lazy.
Good to know.
I answered those questions umpteen times already. For umpteen trolls, just like yourself, in total denial.
You're just too lazy to look it up. Either here or on google.
Here's one simple question for you.
Who created the largest, most invasive government agency in our countries history?
you responded , but answered nothing. there is a difference. the EPA? was created by nixon and it is a mistake, a big mistake.
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"Planting the seeds of racial hatred and ginning up the weak minded Libs to commit violence is a typical ploy of the Left"
really? you refer to the left like it's this singular entity, that schemes wickedly to deprive honest Americans of their second amendment rights, because it's pure evil. i don't have anything in particular against conservatives, but the Republican party is out to lunch. this guy is a perfect example.
Then why don't the democrats do something about it? They have the Whitehouse and Congress....... right?
So far all I can see that has been done is Obama accepting lots of money from somebody who offered a sizable bounty for Zimmerman's head.
dunno, and I hope he does do something about it.
He has, he's accepted money from a person who posted a large bounty for Zimmerman's head. You try just having a conversation about knocking off your spouse with somebody leading you to believe they will do your dirty deeds, guess what you'll get if caught? Heavy jail time.
It is criminal to conspire to commit murder.
Obama has not returned the money nor has the bounty man been charged.
Jeez,how do you even navigate in any political forum or discussion with such a pomposity of ignorance and stupidity.
really? why do you even post here?
Whenever there is a terrible shooting incident, right wingers talk about everything except whether the tragedy could have been avoided if the gunman had not been allowed to carry a firearm.
Sorry to burst your fascist racist bubble but the issue is about bad laws, not race or hoodies.
The VAST majority of crime committed with a firearm is NOT a legally carried firearm. The carry laws have nothing to do with it. Take your filthy propaganda and shove it up your ass.
Hey fuck nut, I bet you would not be so liberal with your insults if you happened to be in the room with those you are so rude with on this forum. Even though I choose to vote Democrat, don't mean I would not take pleasure in beating the living shit out of you if you had ever addressed me with the type of behavior you exhibit on this forum. MAYBE, YOU NEED TO get out of the hills where you live and meet other people. The boonies got you acting a little loony. With a population as low as Hyattville, means you don't know shit about anything. Aint it about time you get outside and chop your wood, dinner ain't going to cook its self, you know.
You go Jesse! Fuck nut should be called out for what it is.
potty mouth
Good morning!
I only get belligerent with those who act ignorant. But i'll try to watch my mouth. I'll admit cursing is not the most mature way to make a point.
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And weak gun control laws allow criminals to obtain firearms.
NOr is that majority of crimes at issue, but making it legal to shoot first.
So, take your filthy propaganda and shove it up your ass.
dang, that poor propaganda. no wonder it's dirty lol.
The propaganda isn't merely dirty, but at this point, murderous. It is allowing,, even inspiring, people to murder others with impunity. It has gotten us into two recent wars that have killed hundreds of thousands and disfigured and disabled even more. THe KOch-sponsored propaganda is sowing enough confusion about climate change that it will likely not be averted in time, and the planet itself, and thousands of species of plant and animal will vanish forever. The right wing propaganda machine is an obscenity beyond all words..
The right wing media is way worse than the liberal media, but the liberal media isn't so great either.
The Liberal Media - what's left of it, since it really doesn't exist anymore - doesn't incite war, racial hatred, creationism is science classrooms, climate change denial, cowboy gunpoint "justice" and all the rest. And unlike the Right, they don't have well funded "think" tanks who work 24/7 to find better ways to sell lies and disseminate talking points to the party so everyone says the same thing. The right wing propaganda machine is not limited to the media. It is PR firms, advertising agencies, think tanks, ALEC, even the Texas Board of Education, who are in the process of changing what is in history textbooks for the entire country. Hillary was right: their really is a vast right wing conspiracy, and it is generously funded by the 1%.
you know, more people would agree with you if you didn't request them to insert propaganda into orfices it doesn't belong. Just sayin'. try and run for senate and tell your opponents to shove it up their asses. See how far you get.
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You changed your location. What Are you scared of the man or something. You been listening to too many right wing radio personalities. You realize you have a freedom of speech, and you don't have to hide your location from anyone. don't be scarrrred.
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You couldn't burst a wet paper sack. It's about trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment and dismantle the freedom to defend yourself with a gun. Your just another Leftist activist whose out to start as much shit and trouble as you can with a race war and a class war.
Go with your hyperbole and spin. Trying to make sure criminals don't have access to guns to kill and wound people "ranged in age form 16 to 24", is somehow trying to destroy the 2nd amendment. Rigghhtt, and I I've got a bridge to sell. It doesn't make your mischaracterization of my position any truer except in your extremist puss sack you call a head.
As for who is responsible for race war language, the fist word in your fucked up OP is "hoodie". The second in the next sentence is "Black". (In fact, to really get people riled up about Dangerous Negroes, it was not "congressman" but "Black PANTHER")
Finally, the only one's committing real violence seem to be, not "weak-minded Libs", but gun-toting yahoos, and right wing ALEC and NRA written laws that encourage killing people instead of withdrawing reasonably.
Moron.
true.. no more joining the military until after 24 sounds good to me. so you think a person should lay down and die at the whim of another all reasonable people DO withdraw reasonably. the law is to protect those people when withdraw is not an option
In fact, that was the PREVIOUS law. The NEW laws explicitly state that withdrawal is not necessary to even be attempted. That's the whole problem.
A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest. A defense permits a plaintiff or the state to seek civil damages or a criminal conviction. More than half of the states in the United States have adopted the Castle doctrine, stating that a person has no duty to retreat when their home is attacked. Some states go a step further, removing the duty of retreat from any location. "Stand Your Ground", "Line In The Sand" or "No Duty To Retreat" laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[1] Other restrictions may still exist; when in public, a person must be carrying the firearm in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.
good law. thats why it ws implemented. too many people being robbed and assaulted and forced to submit to this by law.. ridiculous. and why you think someone between 16 and 24 is less likely to be a victim of crime is beyond me. like ive said before.. you cant regulate stupidity. there will be idiots like zimmerman. you cant deny everyone else the right to protect themselves because there are a few idiots around.
Yeah, great law. There was NO necessity for it, since, for the fifth time CRIME WAS GOING DOWN!
Great law, in which people don't have any obligation to preserve life, but just start blasting. Your handle is appropriate: you really think like a Nazi.
there is a necessity for it. everyone should have the right, free from fear of prosecution, to protect themselves. with the previous law.. a guy could break in, beat and rape a woman,, and if she shot him.. she would go to jail! get serious.
You have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about. There is no state in the Union that doesn't permit lethal self defense inside of one's home. That is VERYU different than the current laws, in which you are under ZERO obligation to get to safety OUTSIDE of your own home BEFOre using deadly force. Even before this law, you could STILL use deadly force as long as you reasonably thought there was no option to avoid using it, inside OR outside your home. You are only exposing your complete ignorance of the law even further. You have, through that ignorance, drunk the right wing propaganda Cool Aid.
You have a formidable grasp of Leftist propaganda and talking points but don't give up your welfare and unemployment yet,you can't make a living in the real world being a Drone.
Coming from a guy making a living carrying water for an elite that would as easily use him for kindling as give him a job. What a rube.
"Oh, piss boy!"
" making a living carrying water for an elite"
Delusional now,are ya?
Accurate, sonny. ;-)
Whatever floats your boat mate.
so are you suggesting it's good to be a drone? and that you are a drone. Or that some how your tea party or whatever are not drones? Fairly sure that just because someone on the left says it doesn't mean it's some evil socialist conspiracy to destroy the free world. to suggest, which I think you sort of do, that welfare is bad makes no sense. It's that logic that the poor are poor in this country because they are lazy. That's ridiculous. If you just friggin' believe in yourself and apply yourself, you still can't always get ahead. If someone needs welfare to stay afloat, you would deny them that option, I'm assuming. Lets take a look at that logic. Lets say you and I are on a ship. It sinks. By pure chance, or chance combined with my own speed and skill, I happen to grab a piece of driftwood, and I can stay afloat. You did not. According to you, even if the driftwood could support both of us, I should not let you climb on top of it, because it's your own fault for being lazy/stupid. Not entirely sure that was your point, but since you are railing against welfare and unemployment, I assumed it was, at least in part.
crap i think i just fed a troll...
Again,knee jerk reactionary with an over active imagination.
You have no grasp, formidable or otherwise, on anything but your own bowel movements.
You suck at politics,maybe you should consider comedy,that was kind of funny.
You simply suck.
no,...that was monica who did it to clinton.
And you doing the Koch brothers.
You know what, the right of the American people to walk down the street and not be shot to death is somewhat more important than their right to bear arms. I understand the need for a second amendment, but clearly gun control needs to be tightened, and whatnot.
" I understand the need for a second amendment,"
Apparently you don't really understand shit about the 2nd Amendment otherwise you wouldn't be preaching more gun control. You're just being a knee jerk reactionary.
you know what? you are 120% right. Why do you people feel you need a gun to be safe?? Having a gun doesn't increase your chance of safety over other self-defense methods. Found these stats i will link the website, since i'm sure you will accuse me of being an evil lying liberal scumbag. Using a gun in self-defense is no more likely to reduce the chance of being injured during a crime than various other forms of protective action.47 Of the 13,636 Americans who were murdered in 2009, only 215 were killed by firearms (165 by handguns) in homicides by private citizens that law enforcement determined were justifiable.48 A study reviewing surveys of gun use in the U.S. determined that most self-reported self-defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society.
Living in a home where there are guns increases the risk of homicide by 40 to 170% and the risk of suicide by 90 to 460%.71 Guns kept in the home are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal unintentional shooting, criminal assault or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.72 Having a gun in the home is associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home, regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home.73 Rather than conferring protection, guns in the home are associated with an increase in the risk of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.74 The relative risk of dying from an unintentional gunshot injury is 3.7 times higher for adults living in homes with guns, with handguns in the home posing a particular threat.75 States with higher rates of household firearm ownership have significantly higher homicide victimization rates.76 People who keep a gun in their home are almost twice as likely to die in a gun-related homicide and 16 times more likely to use a gun to commit suicide than people without a gun in their home.77 A study of firearm storage patterns in U.S. homes found that “[o]f the homes with children and firearms, 55% were reported to have one or more firearms in an unlocked place,” and 43% reported keeping guns without a trigger lock in an unlocked place.78 A recent study on adult firearm storage practices in U.S. homes found that over 1.69 million children and youth under age 18 are living in homes with loaded and unlocked firearms.79 Keeping a firearm unloaded and locked, with the ammunition stored in a locked location separate from the firearm, significantly decreases the risk of suicide and unintentional firearm injury and death involving both long guns and handguns. These safe storage measures serve as a “protective effect” and assist in reducing youth suicide and unintentional injury in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored
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The presence of unlocked guns in the home increases the risk not only of accidental gun injuries but of intentional shootings as well. One study found that more than 75% of the guns used in youth suicide attempts and unintentional injuries were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.81 http://www.lcav.org/statistics-polling/gun_violence_statistics.asp In fact the second amendment seems to cause a crap ton more problems than it solves, so i would be in support of either very strict gun control or an almost total gun ban, possibly of all weapons that aren't used solely for hunting. Welcome to the 21st century. This isn't the Wild West.
sorry it cut off the end.
So,am I to imply you don't like guns? Fine,don't buy one,don't keep one,don't use one.
It's a free country (for now anyway),you can be a potential victim who chooses not to defend his/hers life. Nobody is forcing you to take the ultimate responsibility for the defense of your life and those of your family. You can be totally dependent on the police for your personal self defense,that's YOUR decision.
That's another form of "Pro-choice".
So how come you aren't really "Pro-choice" when it comes to allowing the choice of self defense to everybody else?
No,you want everyone else to submit to the will of the Govt. and deny them the freedom of choice to own and use a gun in the defense of their lives.
You anti-gun freak jobs Lefty's are all about "Pro-choice" when it comes to killing babies,but when it comes to giving people the choice to defend their lives with a gun,NO!! You can't have any "choice" in that.
I've owned firearms most all my life and you don't know WTF you're talking about. You're just full of Leftist propaganda and bullshit.
I see you use the term knee jerk reactionary frequently. Some might call it a, "knee-jerk reaction"
Correct observation,it just seems to fit the parties that are replying to me.
did you just call yourself a knee-jerk reactionary. i think you did.
iamausername : "I see you use the term knee jerk reactionary frequently."
My reply:
Correct observation,it just seems to fit the parties that are replying to me.
Now I suppose you can read anything into just about anything someone writes,I guess it just depends on how fucking stupid you really feel like being.
nope. i think the point is more about not letting people like zimmerman have guns. This would be gun control, not the destruction of the 2nd amendment. Fairly sure this isn't a race war. I'm white middle class, and I don't think the issue here is race or class. Pretty sure you're the one fed with lies and "propaganda" as you say. Maybe you should lay off the fox "news"
hhmm lets see.. zimmerman.. besides a an idiot personality.. home owner, hard worker, popular with peers.. community minded.. just what about him would have kept him from having a gun? the regulations cant regulate stupid.
Zimmerman had been fired from a job providing security for house parties for being too aggressive, apparently culminating in an incident in which he threw a woman, twisting her ankle, and that zimmerman was arrested in 2005 for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer, added to the alleged history of possible violence with his wife, and that some of his neighbors expressed concerns to the police before the shooting about him following them and coming to their houses. Pretty sure some of that stuff should result in you not having a gun for a while. Mostly the "assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest" one. that's kind of a big deal.
it was 7 years ago.. doubtful it would count. . regulate guns according to work history? seriously? thats invasion of privacy. you may know it now cause he s in the paper as an employer.. you have no legal right to know the why and how's for separation from previous employment check the law. there is no way to find out that kind of stuff. only convictions. . trying to determine whether each person is too stupid to own a gun or not is not feasible. besides the fact that you dont have to own the gun .. it could belong to his wife.
that's true, but if you attack a cop, you should probably have your gun taken away. The work stuff wasn't too relevant.
Conflation is one of the rights most used mind tricks, it is easier for a small mind to conflate two or more separate issues or ideas into one idea to then grab onto and hate. (9/11+ Afghanistan +Irak+Iran='terrorists') See the logic in the above post, yes I know, there is very little, and it is all twisted up tighter than rick santorums's,. .
for instance; "It's already started. This is what happens when Leftist Activist's and Politicians gin up the emotions and fan the flames of racial hatred", so here the 'logic' goes that because of "Leftist Activist's and Politicians gin up the emotions" (wha?) there was gang violence in Chicago, involving hoodies? Although the 'gin up' part seems silly, people have emotions when they learn of a violent crime that the police look the other way on, letting that pass, the idea that gang violence in Chicago is some rising up of a leftist race war seem, like most of the rights thoughts these days, rather paranoid and delusional. Ever notice they exhibit a great deal of transference as well, they accuse everyone they are against, (and there for madly fighting), of exactly what they are doing? "Planting the seeds of racial hatred and ginning up the weak minded Libs to commit violence" who is planting seeds of racial hatred? the people calling for justice or people like "F350" here, pushing these insane ramblings ?
The only "rambling" man here is you. You have at least tried to impugn what seems to be a few of my statements,but you really are wasting your time. My only guess is that you feel a need to dispute my opinions because you don't want anybody else to think that I'm correct and maybe be influenced. I'm honored,thank you.
;) for you "F350"; http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-loss-of-the-right-in-america-tragic/
There is no need to dispute your silly delusions, you will only convince people with your endless hate and fear, that you are a hate filled fear-monger, nothing more. Sad really. One day you may grow up, till then good luck with that.
I only find it interesting to analyze the right and its decent into echo chamber reality.
The colors don't matter
There are only two things that matter
1 Justice for any victims
2 Getting rid of all stand your ground laws
Of course, if you are a member of ALEC or the NRA, you might disagree.
I'll bet you're feeling a great deal of joy in helping to accomplish your Leftist Activist goal of retribution and violence.
Trolling for Trayvon has paid off in droves.
at least people are talking about the afghanistan massacre
No,Trayvon should be the most important subject until and after the election,right?
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
The best source of truth:
http://www. breitbart.com
well ............................................................. the hottest truth
Hoodies don't kill people, people kill people. If the left wants justice in a court of law because there was intervention to drop the case, they are fanning the flames of racial hatred and when the right justifies shooting an unarmed person because of hoodie wearing and possibly once owning a baggie that may have contained pot, they are just acting responsibly? do I have that about right?
Your posts are so awful, each and every one, have you nothing useful to offer? There is no logic or reason just pure hatred, does it hurt to be so full of hate? I guess it did for your hero breitbart,. .
Uncle Remus And The Tar Baby
Typical Leftist tactic, accuse your opponent of wrongfully doing what you are currently doing.
"observe the leftist, in it's natural habitat. note it's typical tactics, of wrongfully accusing it's natural predators."
lol i don't know why this reminded me of the croc hunter. by the way this is sarcasm in case you can't tell.
Actually,it's all just bullshit.
it can be both.
Hoodie-wearing citizen rescues pet cat from sewer drain. Hoodie-wearing biker keeps warm on frigid night. Who gives a damn?
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I'm a liberal and I agree with this guy - isn't occupy against violence and hatred ? This kid got killed because of the black community. Yes thank yourselves black communities for being gang-infested drug pushing, crime infested culture, making people afraid of you and your neighborhoods, or home invasions, or theft, or rape - whatever - bars on our windows aren't there because minority crime is just an illusion and stereoptype. Take a walk through the Bronx - try going unmolested by minorities - in fact good luck whatever your race - your chances are better in Afghanistan. Prison doesn't deter them - they earn stripes. Gangs are terrorist organizations. And causing good people to feel frightened and young innocent blacks in hoodies to be shot and feel ostracized.
If you're a liberal than they out to put you on display somewhere, alongside the turkey vulture and the Linbaugh chicken hawk; you would be far rarer and even more disgusting.
because you think there are no black gangs? where do you live? - ah bet you don't have bars on your windows or an alarm system because gang thuggery and violence is not really ok in your peaceful world and you're able to afford to get away from it? I am low income - I bet I can't afford your community that leaves me in a nice little neighborhood with families out walking? no more like bars on the window hope I don't get shot gardening? I'm not resorting to violence and thuggery to survive - maybe I should I might get a free education and new career out of it and lots of funding to get some help for all my murdering and assaults. But then violence is not ok in my world ... no excuse for it - when people stop getting killed, robbed, or assaulted, maybe people will stop being afraid of the stereotype gangs are responsible for (and what about all the shootings and deaths they cause even within their own communities?) Leaves little money for education when all of the town funding is being lump summed into a police force to fight it. Then they complain the education system is the cause - stop depleting the entire education system by committing crime then it can be funded. You have compassion for Travyon as do I but where is your compassion and outrage for people like Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - 4 greusome days of torcher after getting car-jacked genital mutilation, forced to swallow chemicals left to suffocate in her own blood in a garbage bag after being repeadtly raped for days and watching them mutilate her boyfriend and slaughter him - nice happy little American date night? ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom? Travyon's death was wrong his killer violated the stand your ground law by following him - doesn't stop the fact that though Zimmerman is to blame for the death - the black community is to blame for the stereotype that caused the Stand Your Ground Law - people got sick of it and needed a way to protect themselves and families - go take a walk with your family near gang ville and see how safe you feel guarantee you have never lived near a violent community? People planting flowers? -no, selling drugs and spray painting everything in gang signs which is why you live no where near them.
Yeah, oppression = brutality = oppression = brutality. Do you think that equasion surprizes anyone?
Cheers, I can tell you've been in the real world. I've been in many of those hoods and watched them go from "you best be out of there and off the streets at 2pm when the school bus runs" to.... "just stay the hell out of dodge".
Far removed from the "La La Land" most Liberals seemingly inhabit.
So....why are you in the hood? What are you looking for? Real women, real drugs, the real world...How can you possibly be there and walk out alive if it is so bad? Sounds a little Oxymoronish to me sire!!! Besides....you all never seemed to mind the fact that your founding fathers, grandfathers and mothers, and members of the past created these conditions, now you are offended? Why? Wasn't this the great "master" plan of the "master" race in the first damn place" I don't understand your indignation, you don't have to live there, isn't that why you left them to rot into oblivion while living in your perfect white picket fence color worlds? Come on guys.....I see more deterioration, filth and rot with your average Meth labs as they work their way around your corners...You guys make me laugh... Are you mad because you have no work to keep you off these forums and are afraid of the future regarding your own failures as human beings? What space craft lifted you all up and away out of reality? Flash Gordon???
Hey....get out of those suits and go do something useful with your life, like....get one and go protest the fact that people are in worst shape than ever before and the American Dream has just gone down the tube, and the whipping posts have just turned their backs on you guys, walked away and never to be touched again by your kind.....Racist babbling Oppressive Idiots!
Half of all Americans make less than $26000 a year - but minorities choose to focus on race - what does that make you RACIST - my ancestors never owned slaves nor do i come from any amount of wealth my family were all factory workers and I didn't inherit anything I'm also living very close to the hood where there are break ins and crime which I never understand their neighborhood and mine are no different the only difference are the people living in them they could be just as nice but they are waiting for someone else to clean up ? - I'm also a woman I'm not sitting around relenting the fact that black men had the vote well before I did or that ghetto culture is setting the feminist movement back into the stone age. And the slavery excuse sounds so Gaza strip - let's see how many black generations will pass down the hatred and stereotyping of all whites until it finally enters the realm of the middle east. Also - How many tax dollars need to be thrown into free apartments, free food, free services, free cable and cell, free medical, free child care, free school, affirmative action hiring before the black panthers will be satisfied? I work full time so someone else can sit home and not work probably making more money than I do - able bodied sitting at home (or getting a free education) while elderly disabled people are going without food. Yeah time to talk about that little issue - one half of the poor paying for the other half to live it up. Creates a little bitterness - it's not about race assholes, it's about scamming the poor because of entitled feelings based on a lot of bullshit....hey maybe you should join the one percent. But then all that looting in Florida really gets your point across that you feel you deserve to steal stuff from others whenever you fell dissatisfied with the system. The only racism I see is coming from the black panthers. And race is the new McCarthyism - so to that I will challenge and challenge and challenge that type of oppression,censorship and deception and manipulation. Just like I'd fight wallstreet - too bad Occupy and minorities allowed race to kill this entire movement - the poor thanks you for your ignorance and bringing such bullshit to the forefront of a movement that had the power to change the world - idiots. Occupy Wallstreet is about one percent of the world's population stealing and hording the planet's natural abundance for themselves.We are the voice of reason and logic. One percent of the world's population is hording the planet's natural abundance for themselves, creating scarcity and driving a false sense of demand for the rest of the entire population as well as paying off world governments to carry forth their plans and protect them and propagandize on their behalf. We want to stop this:. Is it so hard to believe? We want to prevent Wall Street from creating an anarchic breakdown of our entire planet's financial systems and causing death and destruction in the process; as we have already seen in the third worlds and communistic totalitarian regimes as well as the beginnings in America with downsizing and outsourcing, and land grabs. We are here because we care about you and your family. We are the voice of reason, trust, truth and stability. Wall Street is coming for you so don't count your money - the dollar won't be worth the paper it's written on and when the country is thrown into utter desperation and despair by Wall Street’s actions; gold won't mean much either when people are running around searching for food -gold will be a shiny rock. . The movement is about awareness for the system that WILL break us all - if we don't protest it. This movement has achieved the goal of making people aware they are subservient to a system which works against them; they are waking them up from Wall Street’s anesthesia. If you truly want to break Free then you must break the system. But first you must SEE it. And you must see that it is not about race. We care about the world and things like this we are the voice for the people who have none.
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http://www.google.com/search?q=homelessness+in+america&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS346US346&prmd=imvnsb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=Gw55T9XaJqq80QGgp-DeDQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=772 Or are we? ...
Shut the fuck up, BOY. I live there you fool and worked in worse places for many years.
When you grow a pair, go get you a sales job for any local security company and opt not to take the tele-marketer leads. Then get out in the worst hoods and knock on those doors.
Scuse you....your racist colors are showing....You and your cronies need to go back to the drawing board and come up with something a little bit more up to date. We have all been down that track and it literally takes you, not us, nowhere...When you have no logical answers or reasoning, you make up shyt as you go along....isn't that your major M.O. ? Oh...and just between you and me...I might be your mother for all you know...and I don't mean as of this day in time....get the point... My Son???
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Don't you all think its time to take this back to Topix forum...You're wasting your talents here!!!
Good. The oxy finally kicked in.
Now do you feel like Rush?
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Excellent comment.
I want to know "where's the outrage"? When a other then black person kills a black person it's racists. However, when a black on black killing occurs it's just another day in the projects.
Oh by the way, I forgot to ask - was this a black on balck crime or was it a other then black on black crime?
If you all spend as much time as you say you do cruising, making contact, interacting, judging, and observing 'THE HOOD', you would know what the people there are saying and doing and or how that outrage is being channeled and addressed... Obviously your blind racism has reared its ugly head so heavy that you need more necks of victims to put your foot on as you stand beating your chests and roaring, "We are the Superior ones!!!" You wimpys are funny, you wouldn't make it through the hood even if you were huddled up in the back of a police car..you'd probably have a heart attack because you know that I know... .....you're too chycken shyt!! LMFAO!!!!!
gee point proven - ? I was young and naive once I thought blacks in the ghetto weren't racist or thugs, I used to think it was okay to take a walk up through Harlem - dumb girl.
I used to work in the "hood" as you call it - what about you, and BTW, I met many a good people there. You make it sound like the people there are "criminal" with your comment and just by that statement, that makes you a "racist", .
Trust me, I know the reverse psychology game....it doesn't work on me...you have never worked in the Hood, you don't even know where to find a so-called hood...You sire are an egomanical racist bigot who makes up shyt as you go along to make others think you know what the f* you are talking about. If you knew the truth about what you profess to know you would understand how to interact on this forum when referring to some damned "hood"...Number one....the term is out dated, it is not called "the hood" anymore and second, you and your cronies are still bigoted racist because you lie on people of color and lump them all in one category...as if!!! So take your psychological bull shyt turn around and blow it out your arse!
Make sure your own "hoods" are clean.....that is where you have to live not neighborhoods for people of color!
Lets see, Atlanta used to have Bowen Homes, Englewood Manor, Jonesboro North, Capital Homes, Bolton Road and Bankhead Courts to name a few. I have been to all of them and I didn't say as you that I need a police car to go there. I am going to emphasize again that your comment is "racists" and it has nothing to do with me trying to use "psychology". What you wrote is in plain view for eveyone to read.
Good, let everyone see that I clearly feel nothing but disgust for you, your comments and all the others on here regarding what "black men" do or do not do! Or try to put guilt on a nation of people who you and your cronies never cared for in the first damned place...so who are you fooling??? You can send this to the FBI, the CIA, all the news media, across the globe to any damned body you please, Romney and your mommy!!! It is sickening to continuously have to read racist dribble because you and your cronies never want to look back into your histories and your past and remember what got all of us....and I do mean all of us at this unequivocal point of hatred against humanity, ourselves and others as well. Yet there are those who have no interest in creating a world of greed by being oppressive to anyone..and continue to look to improve our lots as well as others.... So you sire...can take a slow boat to hell and can get lost once you get there!
You still haven't answered my question - what "hoods" as you call them have you been to - and while you were there what did you do?
This is your forum, your racist remarks and your ideologies that you and your cronies continue to spew on here so who the f* are you....to question me. Is this a pissing game? I went to this ghetto, before it was popular, and I lived in this "hood" before it was renovated, I worked with all those poor little >>>>>>>!!! Get real.....you couldn't begin to imagine what people of color know about you and your kind...you're as phony as a wooden nickle...I didn't create this....you and your founding fathers did...THEREFORE.... It is up to you to make a better place for "them" to live...it is your obligation, your upcomance, your turn to pay it forward.... Not stop whining....don't just sit there...do something positive for the world like get rid of your racist mentalities, number one!!!.
k let's play your generational hatred game - what do I get because woman had no right to vote and those men who created that evil constitution (I thought they made it right with the amendment giving woman the right to vote? ) but wait there is more!!!??? I didn't realize ....someone has some upcomance to me
You started it and as a result you continually come up with "shit" answers.
For your information I have worked in what you cal the "hood" for about 10 years. And yes, during that time, I did help make their homes a better place to live in. I am pretty sure I have as much an understanding as to what these people are up against as you do if not more so.
I don't have to "name call" to get my point across as you do and I don't call people liars like you did. What does that say about your "character"? It says you are a bitter person.
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WELL?
You all are extremely ignorant. It doesn't matter to you who is killed, you just put it into a perspective spin where it can make you...as a pale skin race...look good and feel more superior about yourselves...Here, let's see what Marcus Garvey had to say about all your goodie two shoes analogies. Now remember, this was in 1923 and I am sure it rings true and more profound to this day..
MONKEY APINGS OF "LEADERS"
The unfortunate thing about us is that we take the monkey apings of our "so—called leading men" for progress. There is no progress in aping white people and telling us that they represent the best in the race, for in that respect any dressed monkey would represent the best of its species, irrespective of the creative matter of the monkey instinct. The best in a race is not reflected through or by the action of its apes, but by its ability to create of and by itself...... Let us not try to be the best or worst of others, but let us make the effort to be the best of ourselves. Our own racial critics criticise us as dreamers and "fanatics," and call us "benighted" and "ignorant," because they lack racial backbone. They are unable to see themselves creators of their own needs. The slave instinct has not yet departed from them. They still believe that they can only live or exist through the good graces of their "masters." The good slaves have not yet thrown off their shackles;...... It is the slave spirit of dependence that causes our "so—called leading men" (apes) to seek the shelter, leadership, protection and patronage of the "master" in their organization and so—called advancement work. It is the spirit of feeling secured as good servants of the master, rather than as independents, why our modern Uncle Toms take pride in laboring under alien leadership and becoming surprised at the audacity of the ...........Association in proclaiming for racial liberty and in—dependence.
But the world of white and other men, deep down in their hearts, have much more respect for those of us who work for our racial salvation under the banner....... than they could ever have in all eternity for a group of helpless apes and beggars who make a monopoly of undermining their own race and belittling them—selves in the eyes of self—respecting people, by being "good boys" rather than able men. Surely there can be no good will between apes, seasoned beggars and independent minded Negroes (Asiatics) who will at least make an effort to do for themselves. Surely, the "dependents" and "wards" (and may I not say racial imbeciles?) will rave against and plan the destruction of movements ... that expose them to the liberal white minds of the world as not being representative of the best in the Negro,(Asiatic) but, to the contrary, the worst. The best of a race does not live on the patronage and philanthropy of others, but makes an effort to do for itself. The best of the great white race doesn’t fawn before and beg black, brown or yellow men; they go out, create for self and thus demonstrate the fitness of the race to survive; and so the white race of America and the world will be informed that the best in the Negro (Asiatic) race is not the class of beggars who send out to other races piteous appeals annually for donations to maintain their coterie, but the groups within us that are honestly striving to do for themselves with the voluntary help and appreciation of that class of other races that is reasonable, just and liberal enough to give to each and every one a fair chance in the promotion of those ideals that tend to greater human progress and human love.
The work ... is clear and clean—cut. It is that of inspiring an unfortunate race with pride in self and with the determination of going ahead in the creation of those ideals that will lift them to the unprejudiced company of races and nations. There is no desire for hate or malice, but every wish to see all mankind linked into a common fraternity of progress and achievement that will wipe away the odor of prejudice, and elevate the human race to the height of real godly love and satisfaction."
So, on that note my friends, you all have a lot of work to do, each and everyone of you....on your own minds!
Don't worry about people of color since it has already been pre-ordained.
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