Forum Post: Here's a Fantastic Idea....Tax the 99% an additional $3000 per year.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 24, 2011, 6:03 a.m. EST by SmallBizGuy
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OK.....I shouldn't take credit for this "Fantastic Idea". The real credit should go to Obama and the Democrats. It's called....OBAMACARE. That's right folks....the great leaders of the liberal flock have decided to force, by penalty of the law, all 99%ers to pay a minimum of $3000 per year in "TAX". The word "TAX" is not my word, it is the word currently being used by the Obama administration to defend their "TAX" in court. You do the research.
So much for Obama's pledge to not raise taxes on the middle-class. I will admit....FORCING the American middle-class to pony-up a healthcare tax is probably the only way we will ever have everyone covered by health insurance.
I don't believe that many of the OWS protesters have let this "soak in" yet.
You...yes.... YOU..... will be having to choose between housing and health care insurance. Not "healthcare" but, "healthcare INSURANCE". Talk about a "windfall profit TAX" for the insurance monopolies....if you get what I mean.
So much for Obama and the Democrats "looking out" for the middle-class. Maybe what they meant was.....they were "looking" for the middle class....so that they could "milk" them for their "milk" money.
False. The MAXIMUM any family could pay in taxes instead of buying health insurance for themselves is $2250. The MAXIMUM per person tax will be $95 in 2014, $325, in 2015, and $695 in 2016. And, of course, anyone can avoid paying these taxes by getting health insurance.
Even if you disagree with the new health care law, you should get your numbers right.
Thank you for the correction. I do not want to misrepresent the facts. Misstating or deliberately misrepresenting the facts does not do anyone any good. Too much of that in this forum already.
Again...thanks for the correction.
Thank you for your honesty. It's a rare quality among people engaged in political discussion these days.
All the best,
Ultimately no matter what messages are out there one of the underlying goals of OWS is to just overcome petty selfishness and help other people in reasonable ways in every dimension where it is needed.
More power to you. It's hard to argue with logic and compassion. So...I won't even try.
I'm paying 12K a year for my health care at the moment. Where can I sign up for this 3K that you are all pissing and moaning about?
You don't have to pay anything at this point. It's your choice.
"It's Your Choice" now that's a novel concept. Or, at least it will be.
By the way....$3000 is just a minimum.
Yea, it's not gonna be 3K where I live. The policies they are rolling out so far are 6K for a 30ish healthy individual
I also have to pay car insurance if I have a car (just like I have to pay health insurance if I want to have health). And yet I don't hear a load of whining over that.
I used to admire America so much, as did the rest of the world. America was always the big brother to the rest of the world, always there to help out the little guy when he needed it. Now we turn our backs on our neighbors, and for what? Stinking money. I really can't believe how selfish and self-centered this country has become over the last 10 years.
You are not forced by law to own a car due to your citizenship. If you "CHOOSE" to buy a car, you will be required to own car insurance. If you "CHOOSE" not to buy a car you can walk (or whatever). The car insurance argument doesn't hold water.
If the money is "stinking money" then why do liberals want it so much?
First of all, there is no federal mandate to purchase car insurance. Such a thing would be unconstitutional. Second of all, driving a car risks the monetary loss of others, if I am to hit them. If I chose not to purchase health insurance, as I have at the moment, no one will be out any money if I get sick as I have no right to ask them to pay for it.
What if you get critically ill. Will you accept your fate and die, or will you use the ER facilities paid by the tax payer?
ER's do not treat chronic illness anyway.
They are forced to provide emergency care only.
If you are diabetic they won't give you a years supply of insulin, for example.
That's why I said "critically ill",
I just wanted to know if classicliberal was consistent and willing to die for his principle not to pay health insurance.
No matter his/her choice, I do wish him/her a long and healthy life.
The former. It is my right.
Obama screwed up my medical coverage for 2012. I had a fantastic plan that was completely taken off the table as an option for next year. He was on thin ice but he lost me on this. I'm done with him. Republican alternative? Mmmm I don't think so. Looking for a good third party candidate to throw away my vote on...
For the last time, OWS is not for Obama, the democrats, or any establishment politicians. Nor are we for the corrupt, media-driven two-party system that has divided our country into antagonistic tribes that accomplish nothing.
Well then...maybe it's time for someone at OWS to send a note to the White House and the DNC.
Then please answer this....Is OWS a "liberal" movement? There is a difference.
The Tea Party is a "conservative" movement. They have been taking over the GOP, not because they were republican necessarily. They just understood the "power structure" in America, and they are using the GOP to their advantage. Do you see OWS using that strategy in the future?
I don't view this as a bad thing. Sure, there are problems....but....it seems to help "flush" some of the career politicians. This way, at least, the banking lobbyists have to start from "scratch" (LOL).
I am all for healthcare reform, but the Obama plan is really going to do more harm than good. My hope is that it will be a starting point for getting closer to universal healthcare such as they have in Canada and many European countries. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege. It's not okay to let our citizens suffer and die because of inadequate funds in what we call our "1st world" country.
Healthcare is not a "Right". I don't know where anyone ever came up with that idea; However, it is the "right" thing to do.
I don't mean constitutional right, I mean human right. If there is the ability to heal someone, or keep them from suffering, it's our responsibility as humans to get our fellow humans the healthcare we need. It's a moral right.
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At some point people will realise OWS don't support Obama. So its about as stupid as me yelling at neighbor for brothers dog barking??
Awww man that'snothing. You need to talk to Herm Cain...your new hero. Hell, he'll even tax you more unless of course, your "small" business is knocking down a million a year.
You are right to point out the health care debacle, but remember that part of that was the opposition that came from insurance industry and all the money that went to GOP and blue dogs to defeat it. No one is satisfied. OBAMA LIED. He was unequivocal in his support for a public option when running, then he ran away and hid when it was time to step up.
NO one is satisfied. The right wants to repeal and the left and center want to fix. 85% of the people polled favor a public option. Screw the insurance companies...they have a prior existing condition...all-cionsuming greed.
So what do you favor? Public option or repeal to the original condition?
I would like to see payouts to doctors on Medicaid and Medicare rise by 30%. This would give an incentive to the "smart bastards" in America to become doctors again. Then I would let anyone who wanted to opt-in on medicare at any age (pretty similar to a public option). Those that did not want to participate could purchase private insurance from any insurance company they desired (across state lines).
Where do we git the money for a 30% increase? We get it from shifting money out of Social Security for the rich. Hell...I am a 1%er, and I would be glad to give up my SS check if the damn corrupt politicians were force by law to help the needy. Why should I get a SS check if I don't need it? I view Social Security (as the name implies) as an insurance policy if I were to become poor. If I don't wreck the car, I don't get a check to repair it (if you know what I mean).
What does your congressman think about it?
He's GOP. Need I say more?
I Think it will need more money. It might work if we closed tax loopholes. The money could go there.
I mean really...they are taxing unemployment checks and pensions. Certainly you don't need loopholes to pay for private jet planes.
I like your posts. A lot. But its not like Mitt or Rick or Herman C. are going to be our rescuers either. After Bush-Obama there's no excuse. Both parties are not representing the people's interest so who are they working for.
A look at campaign contributions from financial institutions will tell you who will win these elections 90% of the time.
Good to meet you SmallBizGuy
You know.......? I wonder if what you are saying about the 90% money guys is true. Is this a study or just good intuition on your part? Just curious. I will bet that you are correct.
I know that you are right about both parties. It sucks to have to choose between just two.
I actually like Herman Cain; However, as with most of these guys he's going to have some "skeletons in the closet"....I am just wondering when the "bottom" will drop out from underneath him. Presidential elections are a "blood sport". It will be interesting to see what happens.
What's wrong with Ron Paul?
I like Ron Paul. He's the smartest one of them all.....that's his problem. He is too cerebral. If he had the looks of Mitt Romney, and the speaking ability of Herman Cain, he would win this deal hands down by a landslide. The problem is that the American people are shallow. Look at who they voted for the last time. Smooth talkers and good looks win. It's just the way it is.
OK....Nixon was the exception. He was one ugly bastard.
I'm afraid you're right. He did just raise $2 million in one day though.
He does have loyal followers; However, he will never make it past the far right base to become the nominee. His social views are too liberal for them to swallow. He would be just fine by me.
This i can agree with the republicans ..Obama is part of the problem too..#ows is bigger than anyone in the government....
I suppose I don't have to have health either - I could just roll over and die and not be such an inconvenience on the rest of you.
I just hope that you are never in the position of having a critically ill family member and not having health insurance at the time.
I don't wish that upon anyone either. I hope that you and your family are in good health
I am not really an asshole. Just a political junky.....which by the way.....makes me an asshole. Or, at least that's what my wife tells me.
Oh, and while we are on the topic of "Obamacare", why don't we also scrap Medicaid and Medicare while we are at it? Just think how much more efficient the country would be if all those sick people would just die and get out of our way.... Then we could do genetic testing and abort any less than perfect fetus - that should save a few almighty dollars as well.
It amazes me that people that shout about being Christians can be so utterly self-centered. I don't remember the bit in the bible where it says "every man for himself, and screw everyone else"....
I work in the health profession and I can tell you that the amount of waste in those programs you mentioned is unbelievable. They are extremely inefficient to the point where I had to stop accepting Medicaid patients in my practice. People don't mind the programs, they just don't like all the money that is wasted.
I don't disagree with you. But do you honestly think that large corporations are any more efficient? I work in a large mutli-national, and the money that we waste is mind-blowing. Of course you can't get money to buy a pen, but you can waste endless amounts as long as you follow the correct process.
It's my right to die if I wish.
No, I believe that it is not. Isn't that called suicide, and I believe that is illegal.
So I guess you are not a believer in abortion rights? That line of thought requires the belief that a person's body is not their own property, rather the property of a collective entity. If carried to its logical conclusion, it allows people to make all sorts of ghastly decisions for other people, such as who to sleep with and what to eat. My body is my property to do with as I wish as long as I don't harm anyone else with it.
Realistic demands call for good slogans. Use these: Tobin Tax Now ! Tobin Tax Now ! Tobin Tax Now !
Split the banks! Split the Banks ! Split the Banks !
Since what over 70% Americans want, a single payer health care plan, was not put on the table, we were given this watered-down plan that satisfies no one. But don't worry, Obama couldn't get change done.......but We, The People can. And will.
Obama is another tool the Corpocracy uses so their income stream is not hurt. We will take the money out of the system, and their influence will wane.
More power to ya brother (or sister)!
For some reason the tone of this article assumes that OWS is a democrat leaning movement. You're missing the point. This is not blue versus red. This is a rethinking of the whole system.
Very, very much agreed with Phoenixvision
You may be right (not GOP right). But someone had better deliver that message to the White House. As far as they are concerned, OWS is in their pocket for the 2012 elections. It would be my guess (at this point) that they are correct.
If the election was held today, what % of the OWS protesters would cast their vote for someone other than Obama?
I think Ron Paul would gather some ows support, if the status quo is still in place, but I would hope by election time that this movement will have gained enough traction and teeth to really upturn the whole system and offer real hope, not just the same old, no longer effective soundbytes. The essential point is that this government is not representing the 99 percent and no candidate emerging from this system is possiblly going to be able to do that, no matter how much they may try to hijack the movement. Basically, Obama rode the unrest to victory last time around, this time people are not willing to settle. We shall see soon enough, in any case.
"I think Ron Paul would gather some ows support" Goodness, I hope so.
Very well put!
he is a politician. he got bought just like the rest. he did say one thing right in his campaign. he did give us change we could believe in. the change he gave us was pennies from our paychecks. thats the only change ive gotten to see from obama.
You came out better than most.
Preach on, brother. The sleeping masses will wake up in 2014 when it actually happens.
I am one of the 1% of the 99% who is already well aware.
Fuck Obama.