Forum Post: HEADS UP! Police State Fascism Comes To Miami Beach Florida - South Beach - On Memorial Day Weekend
Posted 12 years ago on May 21, 2012, 8:10 p.m. EST by vvv0521
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HEADS UP! POLICE STATE FASCISM COMES TO MIAMI BEACH FLORIDA - SOUTH BEACH - ON MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND
Miami Beach Police Get Strict For Memorial Day Weekend
MIAMI BEACH (CBSMiami) – Miami Beach will be flooded with visitors this Memorial Day Weekend as part of the 13th annual Urban Beach Week, which is dubbed the largest Urban festival in the world.
Due to the large number of people expected, upwards of 300,000 to 350,000 people, [ and the Orwellian powers now granted to them to protect the 1% from the rest of us ] Miami Beach police are implementing some new procedures to ensure the safety of residents and visitors alike.
A highly publicized shooting on Collins Avenue during the waning hours of Memorial Day weekend in 2011 prompted members of the community to protest the high-traffic, noise and other issues that dominate the long holiday weekend period [ and gave the powers-that-be the excuse they needed to say being a tax-paying American citizen no longer entitles you to drive down the public streets or walk down the public sidewalks you paid for ].
City officials came up with an extensive traffic plan [ read class discrimination scheme ] to discourage the general public from driving into residential neighborhoods [ mostly those of the 1% ].
In addition, the City wants to minimize the impact for residents so certain streets will be open for local [ read mostly rich ] residents only.
Those road closures start Friday May 25th and will remain closed until Tuesday May 29th.
Here is the list of road closures:
Ocean Drive will be shut down to vehicular traffic from 5th to 15th Street from 7:00 a.m. Friday to 7:00 a.m. Tuesday.
Collins Avenue will be northbound traffic only between 5th to 15th Street from 7:00 a.m. Friday to 7:00 a.m. Tuesday.
Washington Avenue will be southbound traffic only between 5th to 15th Street from 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights.
PROOF OF RESIDENCY WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENTER THE FOLLOWING RESIDENTIAL AREAS [ ALL WITH PUBLIC STREETS AND SIDEWALKS ]:
North of 5th Street to Lincoln Road from Washington Avenue west to Alton Road
South of 5th Street to Government Cut
Dade Blvd to 41st Street and Pine Tree Drive
A Traffic Loop will be activated Friday through Sunday from 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. The Traffic Loop will send traffic north on Collins Avenue and South on Washington Avenue. Ocean Drive will be completely closed off to vehicular traffic.
PROOF OF RESIDENCY will be required to enter the residential areas north of 5th Street – 11th Street from Washington Avenue west to Alton Road [ EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE TAXPAYER-FUNDED PUBLIC STREETS AND SIDEWALKS ].
A DUI check point will be operational from Friday night-Saturday morning. There will be DUI saturation and enforcement throughout the remainder of the weekend.
The police department is also erecting 4 SURVEILLANCE TOWERS with video equipment where officers can rewind and view video. The cameras, which can see up to a mile, will be perched on four towers stationed in Lummus Park, on Collins Avenue and on the east end of the Lincoln Road Mall.
Police will also be using license tag readers for the first time along the Julia Tuttle and MacArthur Causeways, checking for expired registration, stolen vehicles and wanted vehicles. Vehicles with tags that kick back violations to police will be stopped.
Pairs of police will be stationed up and down Fifth Street, Ocean Drive, Collins and Washington Avenues.
The Venetian Causeway will be open only to Miami and Miami Beach residents, although restricted will be based on the honor system.
The City will also continue using Goodwill Ambassadors. The program was started more than a decade ago, after the huge crowds attracted by what was then known as “Hip Hop Weekend” angered and intimidated residents, and led to what many called excessive police response and hundreds of arrests. Goodwill Ambassadors, all wearing red shirts, assist with crowd control issues, distribute courtesy litterbags and safety brochures, report service issues that need immediate attention and answer visitors’ questions.
Unlike major events such as the Miami International Boat Show, Super Bowl, South Beach Wine and Food Festival and Art Basel Miami Beach, the City of Miami Beach does not sponsor any of the Urban Beach Weekend events.
Police say they hope the new tactics and equipment will control the crowds that come to town not just for club events but for the jam-packed, non-sanctioned street parties on Ocean Drive and Collins Avenue that have come to define the weekend since 2001.
Last year, hotel occupancy was at its highest Memorial Day weekend level in years, and tourism numbers remain high this year. Hoteliers, club owners and other select businesses pull in profits, while other businesses shutter their doors due to lack of business or chaos.
Many locals leave town or hole up in their homes.
The Greater Miami Chapter of the ACLU [ you know, the guys that got Citizens United overturned and AUMF 2001, the USA Patriot Act and NDAA 2012 repealed - NOT ] will scrutinize how Miami Beach Police and city officials handle themselves.
Source (The text here became fluid as we prepared this alert. Note any differences.):
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/21/miami-beach-police-get-strict-for-memorial-day-weekend/
Here's video about the protest that residents had where they begged the police for safe streets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G11QIk5esyc
Note the black lady specifically asking for the cameras on the causeways to record license plates of cars coming and going.
...now tell us again that this is 'Police State Fascism'?
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I'm sorry, but what does a black lady have to do with anything? Why should I specifically note the color of a lady's skin and think it has anything to do with whether that person is correct or incorrect on the position that person takes? Do you not see a problem with this line of argument?
That would be fantastic, if it were possible to have a racially-neutral conversation about Black Beach Week in Miami Beach. Because then this would be a simple case of a police department responding to pressure from the community based on violent incidents at the event in previous years. That would be a simple case. But this case is complicated by the race aspect, and if this page goes any further then that's where it's going to end up going.
The only complication here is that it's a person of color asking for the police presence and surveillance. Thus, it would appear to refute the apparently baseless allegation that the whole thing is some sort of conspiracy by the authorities to oppress the poor and people of color. There isn't any racial complication. You're inventing it.
There is indeed a racial complication. Miami Beach residents who object to Black Beach Weekend are often branded racists. It's a subtext to this controversy that this page at the Occupy web site has barely touched on. But it's definitely there.
Frankly, as a person of color, I can tell you that it's very easy for a person of color to accuse anybody who disagrees with them of being racist. It's the modern version of accusing someone of being a communist. It's bullshit, but it's a very easy tactic to employ, and it works pretty well. But that's a different question from controlling rowdy crowds.
I'd bet that persons of color whose neighborhoods are impacted are among the most vocal supporters of the control measures. And the measures themselves are race-neutral. Of course, that doesn't stop the accusations of racism from flying, because it's so very easy to make them, but it's a non-sequitur.
"Person of color"? Everyone's skin has a color.
They do indeed. However, as they have throughout time, some folks are better at using it as a weapon than are others.
Like affirmative action?
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I love going to Joe's.
So, now what is Black Beach Week? I'm not from the area and I have no idea what Black Beach Week is. But it is never mentioned by the poster.
It's something like Freaknik, in Miami Beach. A congregation of people with no core organization or official events. Just lots of people getting very drunk in public. One key difference between "Urban Beach Week" and the other events listed in the original article such as the Miami International Boat Show, the Super Bowl, the South Beach Wine and Food Festival and Art Basel Miami, is that there are actually events for those other events. There is no central conference or main event for Black Beach Week, other than to get drunk and wander around Miami Beach.
Well, I googled this event of Black Beach Week and I get a totally different perspective than the one your painting. It sounds like a celebration of hip hop lifestyle and I get the impression of a hip hop version of a mardi gras. Just a big party, no boring boat show, just a big party atmosphere. I am sorry it does not fit your idea of a reason to get together, but, at best, you sound like a fuddy dud anyway.
On the issue of laws and enforcement of laws surrounding this event, I think there is a valid discussion there, but it has nothing to do with skin color.
It's a party that for residents of Miami Beach has been historically associated with violence and destruction of property.
That's all you have to say.
Yes, that's sufficient justification for increased police presence.
I don't know the extent of violence or destruction of property, so its hard for me to say if it is enough justification, but it would be all the justification needed if it is as bad as you say. Local people who live in the community have rights to.
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The question that has to be asked is "what are they focusing on"?
They are focusing on traffic, DUI, and criminal activity.
However, they are not focused on "foot traffic". So if you want to go anywhere that vehicles can't go - walk. What' wrong with that. Too many Americans are too fat anyway so they need the exercise.
I don't see it as a problem but I guess those of you who feel the need to drive everywhere you go do.
And one thing I forgot to mention is a lot of people are going to get drunk and roudy, so there needs to be some kind of crowd control.
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I'm a Miami Beach resident who has experienced every "black beach weekend" since the first, and I can assure you that you're distorting this story. The police response to this event is justified, based on episodes during this event in the past.
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"The police response to this event is justified..."
I cannot believe anyone would post THAT to THIS forum!!!
The police are under a lot of pressure from residents to contain the damage from this event. This part is true: "Many locals leave town or hole up in their homes." I don't, I go out during this, but not at night.
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Like she said,
I cannot believe anyone would post THAT to THIS forum!!!
Non-residents do not belong between Washington and Alton this weekend. The cops are doing residents like me a favor with that rule. That isn't an example of a fascist dictatorship enforcing its might and suppressing the people. The causeways are going to see a lot of very drunk drivers this weekend and they could use some DUI checkpoints. These are simple examples of the local police responding to concerns from residents about incidents relating to this weekend. We have every right to be concerned, considering events in past years. I'm sorry if that doesn't reinforce the rhetoric but that's just reality. Miami Beach is rightfully a little wary of this event.
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You're apparently not reading the posts from people who live in Miami Beach, or following the story very closely. Or maybe you are. So, if you don't think the measures being taken by the city are appropriate, put yourself in their place: You've got 350,000 very energetic (and in half of them, testosterone-laden) young adults coming to town to party. Past experience teaches that they'll get good and drunk and rowdy, and cause some problems, including a fair bit of criminal activity of one sort or another. And the residents of your town are very tired of it. What do you propose to do? Let's hear your alternative solution. How do you propose to control the crowds (remember there are 350,000 of them. That's the population of a medium-size city)? How do you control vandalism and drunk driving? How you you let your residents live in peace for the weekend? How do you make sure their kids can play in the street in front of their house that weekend? And remember -- this isn't hypothetical. Long past experience teaches that these problems will in fact happen.
I'd be very interested in hearing your theories on a solution. Maybe you know something no one else does.
FYI, the population of Miami Beach is only about 88,000. During Memorial Day, most of us leave town to avoid this event.
"During Memorial Day, most of us leave town to avoid this event."
Define "us", 1%er. What the fuck are you doing posting here?
"Us", as in, "residents of Miami Beach". You have a very charismatic demeanor, I'm sure that you'll be successful in your attempts to sway public opinion through protest.
YOU do not speak for the "residents of Miami Beach", maricon.
Wannabe _. Copy, paste and fill in the blank X times. Then you have your updated resume for when you run out of Daddy's dinero.
Someone gave you first hand information ( eyewitness) and you're upset by the truth.
Could it possibly be that this isn't an Orwellian exercise in police state takeover of the city and merely civic officials trying to institute some reasonable measures to control what is likely to be a drunk and rowdy crowd of 350,000?
You make some conclusory statements about the authorities engaging in class discrimination and favoring the rich. On what basis are you making these assertions? What concrete evidence do you have that any such thing is occurring? I'll bet there is none. My experience being around these sort of things is that what the authorities are trying to do here is usually heavily supported by residents, and often initiated at their instigation. It's the local residents who don't want crowds of drunk partiers in their neighborhoods, and don't want hundreds or thousands of cars on residential streets. And blocking off the streets to vehicle traffic is both a concession to the visitors so that they can use the street as a pedestrian mall, and a safety measure. Do you really want streets crowded with drunken revelers also being used by motor vehicles? They do the same thing in the French Quarter of New Orleans every night.
Frankly, you guys are over the top way past the point of silliness with your everything-the-authorities-do-is-designed to-oppress-the-99% talk and conspiracy theories. This is a good example. I'd bet that a large majority of the people in Miami Beach support support these measures. If you guys ever want to gain credibility with the masses and organize some sort of real popular movement for change, you're going to need to re-join the real world. If you pitched this theory to the people of Miami Beach you'd be laughed out of town.
Here's video that I posted elsewhere on this page about the protest that residents had where they begged the police for safe streets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G11QIk5esyc
Precisely. The people in these party cities get very tired of dealing with the crowds and the drunks and the vandalism and all the rest. The authorities are responding to the legitimate complaints of the 99%. The attempt to cast it in Orwellian terms is foolishness.
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After reading TechJunkie's comments (he lives there) I googled Urban Beach Wknd. Suggest anyone that wants to comment do the same. Sounds like it's nothing but a mob, or Black Bloc convention. Broken car windows, looting, rape, shootings.....
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Correct, the event is not exactly a political rally. Painting Miami Beach residents as "mostly those in the 1%" is a senseless distortion that was simply aimed at manufacturing propaganda. The biggest zone that is off limits to non-residents, North of 5th Street to Lincoln Road from Washington Avenue west to Alton Road, is an area that contains mostly old hotels and apartment buildings that are very low rent, and I guarantee that nobody from the 1% lives there. They're the kinds of buildings where you might live if you're a dish washer from the Dominican Republic who is working three jobs.
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I think you're missing the point friend. His point was that the neighborhoods being affected aren't the neighborhoods of the rich and privileged, as someone else suggested. So as nearly as I can judge from your post, you're agreeing with him. Low rent is relative. What's low rent in Omaha is obviously not the same as what's low rent in downtown Manhattan.
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As far as low rents go, precisely the point. That's why working class people have to work three jobs sometimes. But all of that begs the question. I'll bet those folks are just as likely to want things under control as anybody else. It's pretty hard to sleep at night when there's a 24-hour-a day-party going on under your window.
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do the police get double time on memorial day ?
because that's a holiday and the should
just like they should on Voting Day
They do get paid a lot of overtime during an event like this. And that's another facet to what this is all about.
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There are a lot of people around here who can’t stand being disagreed with, and when someone does so, all they seem to be able to do is throw out lowbrow invective, name-calling and profanity. The little exchange we’ve been having today regarding Miami Beach is illustrative of it.
If that’s representative of OWS sorts, it’s telling concerning your potential future. So let me tell you how things work out there folks, ‘cause I don’t think everybody here gets it:
Social movements are about changing a society.
In order to achieve that change, you you need to win over some critical mass of people to your side. That means you have to persuade them that not only are you a viable option, you’re the best option.
In order to win people over, you need to have a dialogue with them. Since most of them don’t start out agreeing with you, that necessarily means that you will be talking to people who disagree with you, and who will say things you don’t like and don’t agree with.
If someone disagrees with you during that dialogue and your response is to throw some infantile invective and profanity at them, you will not persuade them you are the best option. You will instead persuade them that you are an asshole.
If you persuade enough people that you are assholes, you will eventually be flushed down the crapper of history. If OWS manages this, it won’t be the first movement to do so by a long shot. Lots of other nascent social and political movements have gone that route.
The assholes came out in force this afternoon, and I suppose they’re very smug and full of themselves --they really told us off, so they think.
Not hardly folks. If you think that the rest of us are impressed by adolescent swearing and name-calling, you’re kidding yourselves. But more importantly, if you can’t handle the innocuous little discussion we were having this afternoon without getting your nose out of joint and throwing a tantrum, you’ve got a big surprise coming when you go out to the rest of the world. Tech junkie and I are friendly enough to try to engage OWS in a serious dialogue, and the discussion itself was the mildest little discussion imaginable. The rest of the world’s not so nice. Right now, most folks, including most of the 99% you claim to represent, either don’t give a fuck about you or actively dislike you,and the ones that don’t like you are going to express opinions about you and your philosophies in terms that will very rapidly have you wishing that tech junkie and I were around to disagree with.
If you want to make an impact, you’re going to have to change their minds -- millions of them. That means you’re going to have to learn to talk to those people and to reasonably discuss your disagreements and try to persuade them that you stand for something that’s worth a shit -- assuming that you actually do stand for something that’s worth a shit -- and that you are respectful of them and their opinions. If you can’t learn to do that, Karl Rove and the Republicans are going to eat you for breakfast, Obama and the Dems are going to have you for lunch and the Tea Party will have you for an afternoon snack, and in a few years people will barely remember OWS. So you need to decide whether you’re going to sit around and have a self-congratulatory circle jerk, or whether you’re going to be a real social movement. If you’re going to be a social movement, some of you need to grow up in a hurry.
That is all very well said. We need to bring people into the movement, not push them away. There is no way that everyone is going to agree about everything.
I will say, though, that many of the loons here are trolls and not OWS supporters at all. It is just hard to tell the difference sometimes.
Hey BW,
Sadly, that's one of the trolls primary intentions, they call names, lie, use multiple usernames, pretend to be part of Occupy, etc., etc., to disrupt constructive dialogue and turn off newcommers: all of which you know. What you might not know is that penguento is one of them.
They also like to talk to themselves to form a fake 'diologue' that gets their scripted message accross. Right now that message is mostly 'don't vote.'
Fortunately, it isn't working very well:)
I had a feeling that might be the case, but I wasn't sure and liked the comment. In the old days, we just talked on here and the comments mattered, not "who" was saying what. I'd like to go back to that and get rid of the spammers and petty and nasty commenting and bullying that is taking place today.
I suggest karma points and usernames get removed from comments. Just a comment, pure. That way, only the arguments matter.
What would really be great though is a site based on invites. This site could be kept, but the smart users like yourself and epa1nter could be invited to participate in a site dedicated to the true intellectuals of this movement. Since acceptance would be very tight, there would be no spamming. If someone uses ad hominem even once, he's booted.
Then you get elitist. I really believe we need to be inclusive, get people to change their minds, get them to think.
If we remove names from the comments then we can't talk to one another. I've made some good friends on here and if it was just comments without names the site would lose it's personality. Removing the total personal points might be an excellent idea. I like the points on the comments because it gives you a good idea of what people are thinking.
BTW - I have no problem going elitist. I truly believe the best ideas come from a small group of intellectuals, and not a large group of all kinds of people. There was never a symphony or a deep philosophical theory that was written by a village, Beethoven and René Descartes both worked alone.
Elitism is not good. Hubris is not good. One of the things I like about OWS is that it is inclusive. All people matter. What I say is no more valuable than what anyone else says.
All of the 99% matter? Then why don't we give the podium to people against same-sex marriage, and against the right to abort, etc... Why are we calling all the republicans who come here trolls?
The truth is, OWS is not inclusive and shouldn't be. To include someone means to give them an equal voice, but OWS does not do that and really shouldn't. Your pro gay voice should be heard above that of an anti-gay. Or else, it's the tyranny of the majority. OWS has values at its core that predate those that come to the protest. OWS is pro gay at its core, and it doesn't matter if 60% of OWS protesters are anti-gay, OWS will never have an anti-gay march.
In practice of course, OWS is controlled by only a few individuals who make all the important decisions. There are only a few anarchists controlling behind the scene.
I say welcome everyone. They won't necessarily want to come, but open the invitation. We're trying to change the world here, the whole world, not just a part of it.
You think thinking is easy, but it is not.
I have a challenge for you. If you can teach Renneye how to think, if you can teach her about the scientific method and show her why the Illuminati and the Templar of the Sun should be the last concerns of OWS, if you can do this within the next 2 weeks, hell, the next month, then I'll agree with you that everybody should be included.
I'm not sure that would be possible, but I'd still want to include her and others like her because they are part of the 99%.
So, you think we should filter the people of the movement based solely on their salary. If your salary is in the 1% "bye bye!", if it's lower "Come on in!". OK. It think that's nonsense. But, whatever.
Do you know Renneye's salary? How do you know she's in the 99%. Should we ask people to provide income tax returns before using this site or coming to a GA?
If we're going to base ourselves entirely on assumptions, why not assume she's part of the 1% and just kick her out. That seems so much easier and healthier.
That's a valid point. No, but they are the people not paying their fair share and controlling, (mainly corporations) the government. I think by going to the top .05 percent you are looking at corporations.
BTW, you give power to the people you attack. You've made Renneye famous here. I probably would never have paid attention to her posts except for the fact that you attack her all the time.
That's OK. Let her bask in fame. As long as she is famous for being a nutjob that's OK ;-)
This site is not meant to be used as a platform for any party. OWS does not believe in working with politicians. If you are here to promote the idea to vote for Obama, or any other politician, then you are going against the very core ideas of OWS. You're a pretend OWS supporter. You post from your chair at home, but you haven't been to a single protest and have no idea what OWS is about.
The only troll around here is you, and any serious OWS supporter knows it.
So, you did flounce the other day. Just like that time before. Two times was it that you claimed you would leave the forum just to see how many people would shed a tear, but then came back a few days later? When are you planning to do this a third time?
You have done the same thing, no?
Yes. Does two wrongs make a right?
In my case, I was supposed to start a contract, but it's late so I still have a few days. And, the reason I announced my departure is because many people get confused as to whom is Thrasy and who isn't. I just didn't want anyone to get accused of being me. I wasn't looking for tears, unlike Gypsy.
You've done it in the past, too. I can't recall under which moniker. Look, attention is attention, whether looking for tears or to instill fear. It's all the same in a way.
If we are supposed to be the 99% here don't you think we might have to include some folks that we don't agree with 100% or maybe even much less?
Hmm... You might be right. I don't really remember, but I think I did it once before in order to go underground so I could use my bots in peace.
When did I say we shouldn't include GypsyKing in the discussion? I simply remarked that he was looking for tears, and asked when he would do it a third time. I never said he shouldn't be back.
You may not have said it about GK, that's fine, sorry. All I'm saying is try to be inclusive IF you really care about OWS, otherwise, honestly you come off looking like a right wing troll trying to divide this movement all the time. The spamming and personal attacks make you appear to be the one against the movement.
My personal opinion is that people like GypsyKing and DKAtoday are against the movement. If someone does not agree with them, they call that person a troll instantly. I never call anyone else a troll, I just call the conspiracy theorist mentally ill losers. I think the two aforementioned posters are trying to co-opt OWS and turn it into a political protest, more specifically, for the democrat party.
I'm no republican by a long shot. The democrat party is too far right for my taste. I'm a Canadian who votes for the NDP. I believe OWS should remain apolitical, unless it's decided otherwise in a GA. I don't like these democrats trying to co-opt the anarchists. DKAtoday's latest post tries to pretend that anarchy and a democratic republic are one and the same.
Again, though, we are supposed to be the 99%. We definitely will not agree about everything. I can only think of one or two people on this forum that I agree with 95% of the time and in my personal life, I've never met anyone I agree with 100%. Not ever. DKA and GK are not against the movement. They just have a different vision that they feel strongly about. And, you must admit, they are attacked vehemently and so they attack back.
The idea of the 99% vs the 1% is flawed and should be eliminated from OWS. Saying, we are part of the 99% means nothing. It was slogan used to start the movement. That's it. The truth is, we are against corruptors, not the top 1% earners in the country. I really have nothing against wealthy people if they obey the law.
Did you read DKAtoday's latest post:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/democracy-true-democracy-is-a-well-ordered-anarchy/
It's full of nonsense designed to co-opt OWS. For one, "well ordered anarchy" is an oxymoron as order refers to numbers and rank (he should have used organized instead which does not imply hierarchy). Then he tries to pass of anarchy as being equal to a democratic republic. If there is a lie on this site, that is it. Pure nonsense designed to fool everyone into thinking that Obama supports the anarchic principles of OWS. I don't think DKAtoday is an honest person.
I still think the movement should be inclusive even if it means including people you don't agree with all that much. So, we're an even bigger group, "We are the 99.95%." We, should, therefore, be even more inclusive.
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Does inclusive mean changing our message, or just letting people walk with us? I mean, if you're really going to include someone, then that person should be able to express his message also. In that 99.5% there are a lot of racists and sexist people. When and how should we give them a podium? If we are to include them, they should have a right to speak their mind.
Can we organize a protest against same-sex marriage? A lot of people in California voted against that in Proposition 8. These people are in the 99.5% (they'e actually a big part of it), so to include them also means to pass along their message.
If we only share our message, but not the message of those we include, are we really including them?
Yes to your last question. Keep the message of OWS pure but include everyone, even those who disagree. You welcome them, not necessarily how they think. Why not?
All eyes on Miami Beach this Memorial Day weekend
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/28/2778395/all-eyes-on-miami-beach-this-memorial.html