Forum Post: gotta arm more texans
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 22, 2013, 3:56 p.m. EST by bensdad
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three students shot in a gun fight today
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for those of you who did not see the sarcasm above, I apologize
I was tryng to sarcastically parody the nra
I have grandchildren who live in Texas, asshole! The oldest is seven. Do they deserve your bigotry?
my bigotry is against the gun crazies & the nra who dont care if we have more of this
And you paint all of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona with that brush. Your grasp of the sociology of the Southwest is as ignorant as your geography. You're attacking people, not ideas or even a dominant class that threatens us all. The greed of the rich causes far more harm than the gun nuts, How many millions of lifetimes are lost due do life shortening inability to afford medical care, for the benefit of ruling class parasites who refuse to pay their fair share of the taxes. Wake up! Your on the wrong path?
They deserve a life outside of Texass? Dinosaurs on the dinner table - education?
Texas has Austin and the hill country that are not like the stereotype. Arizona has Tucson and the island mountain ranges in the SE corner that are a progressive stronghold.
My daughter teaches university courses online and homeschools her three children. They are building a sustainable community with like minded friends on some of the most beautiful land in America. It lacks mountains so I'll stay in Arizona as long as I can care for myself.
To me the quality of the Earth where I live has always been more important than the idiots who got there first. Now who is that Minnesota Representative with her head so far up her ass? And why are you defending bensdad? Does he have a child named ben and how would he like to have someone wish violence on him?
I agree with Gandalf. Many who are dead deserve life. Until you can give them what they deserve, don't be too quick to meet out death in the name of justice.
Bachmann yeah it seems to be surgically implanted. Defend Bensdad? Does he need defending? If the kids are home schooled - thank god for that. Hope they are also out of the major drought area as well.
There's no defense for the bigotry he's displayed in beginning this thread and the one in which he placed Albequerque in Arizona. His geographical ignorance is equally appalling.
3 students shot in a gun fight?
Perhaps there is a small misunderstanding?
are you being deliberately obtuse?
3 students shot in a gun fight? that was the bigotry in the post? Really - curious.
the title says arm more Texans. the implication is they'll kill one another. Why does this have to be spelled out for you? You're wrong! Admit it.
I think it more a comment on the nra and the irrational fear of being disarmed - then it is anything else.
I swear DK, it seems like most of your posts are directed at me personally. My (our) fear of being disarmed is rational. People really are trying to take our guns.
Paranoid Much? Silly question - you being all hot and bothered by some stupid semi-automatic weapons regulations to ban high capacity clips/magazines and some semi-auto weapons.
Well, your right may not be important to you, but my rights are important to me. Good night.
Just so you don't worry, I may not be here tomorrow. It's supposed to be a pretty day, and I may take a ride on my Harley.
I would like to compliment the gun-owners on this forum. They have been calm and well-mannered in their responses and respectful towards others.
Thank you.
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Please - go far - stay long - you won't be missed here.
My three daughters live in Texas, my two granddaughters live in Texas. We prefer to live where we can be armed and defend ourselves from the gangs and drug dealers. Agkaiser is right. Austin is probably as liberal as San Francisco, unfortunately. (I’ve lived in both SF and Austin).
We are a peace loving family. My daughters don’t even believe in spanking. But if you attempt to hurt the girls you could get shot. That seem fair to me.
But if you attempt to hurt the girls you could get shot. That seem fair to me.
That would seem fair to everyone. Doncha think?
littletoe is so protective - don'cha think? What a guy.
Remember this?
I don't know of anyone who sat on the sidelines and said---he shouldn't have done that. So, I think there is a point where you gotta say-----duh.
I have no sympathy for a dead rapist - take em out of society one way or another. sorry if that offends anyone. littletoe though is more concerned about having plenty of weapons then he is about anything else though. Leastways that is what his gun rants are all about - besides being a forum distraction.
So cynical. My gun rights are important, but my family is everything. You can count on that.
Well thank you kindly M'am. I was starting to think people here didn't believe in self defense.
I just had a cousin that shot a man in his front yard after he came after his daughter. He told him several times to get off the property. The guy didn't listen and just kept coming. I think it's been about a year ago and was in AZ.
The issue has never been about believing or not believing in self defense.
The only time I’ve ever shot anyone was in Viet Nam, and that was with a howitzer, shelling targets miles away.
With all my posts about guns I don’t consider myself a gun nut. I do own several guns, including an AR and an AK, but really more interested in antique revolvers. I gave my hunting guns to my son-in-laws years ago.
My interest is in gun rights. I believe any law abiding person should be able to own any weapon they want. I’m fascinated by all this anti-gun talk. It’s a new realm for me. I never dreamed people would be so upset about people owning guns. It just seem illogical, just jaw dropping startling to me. I still don’t understand it.
I got you beat - I was on a ship and used our 8" to lob shells 32 miles inland - My gun was bigger then yours -
But we did get nailed by one of our own aircraft -
As far as firearms go - I say "solve the youth violence problem" and gun ownership won't be a problem. We have a "violent young generation" that doesn't know how to deal with problems without having to resort to violence to take care of it.
No "problem solving" skills leads to "violent criminal firearms crime".
Now not all are like this - just the ones that live in the "larger cities" - that's where all the crime takes place but they want to put "more gun ownership restrictions" on everyone because of the "mindless few".
Personally I think they should bring back the draft. A couple of years military duty would probably solve a lot of our problems.
There are too many "wimpy" people who are part of the younger generation who don't have any "balls". They have turned them over to thier girlfirends - especially those who live in "big cities".
I would like to compliment the gun-owners on this forum. They have been calm and well-mannered in their responses and respectful towards others.
Yah, not like others on this site who disagree with them.
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peace loving and armed to the teeth - aAHhahahaha
Yep, peace loving and armed to protect ourselves. What’s the problem with that?
Texas Republicans Call For More Guns In Schools Following Shooting At Lone Star College
By Igor Volsky on Jan 22, 2013 at 8:20 pm
On Tuesday afternoon, the nation experienced its 49th school shooting since the Columbine massacre in 1999, when an altercation between two individuals set off at least five gunshots at Lone Star College in north Houston, Texas, injuring both parties and a nearby janitor caught in the crossfire. The college and the surrounding schools went into lockdown as police secured the area, chasing one of the suspects involved in the incident into a wooded area behind the school. Both men suffered gun shot wounds and are now in custody.
Texas is one of 49 states with a concealed carry law, permitting licensed individuals to carry firearms within the state, and lawmakers have introduced legislation that would allow college students and staff with concealed weapon permits to carry firearms on school grounds. Firearms are currently prohibited at Lone Star.
Now, top Republican lawmakers — including Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Tim Poe — are using Tuesday’s incident to call for more weapons on campus. KTRK’s Ted Oberg has the report:
OBERG: Governor Perry said this afternoon his thoughts and prayers are with all the victims, but that anyone licensed and who has training on how to carry a weapon should be able to carry that weapon anywhere within the state and [that he would] indeed review the bill that’s been filed quickly. …. We talked to Ted Poe from the north Houston area, who said students today were defenseless on that campus.
POE: It brings to focus the fact that many schools and universities and students have — are defenseless at the schools and places of higher education and this seems to show that.
Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/22/1483121/texas-republicans-call-for-more-guns-in-schools-following-shooting-at-lone-star-college/
I am getting bored trying to refute the nra lies from people who are afraid to answer questions or acknowledge the statistical evidence and change the subject to
the evil dictators who are coming to take your guns or to general crime statistics
THOSE WHO CAN – DO
THOSE WHO CAN’T - RANT
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learn as much as you can about the numbers that prove what the solutions are
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demand a plan:
http://www.youtube.com/user/maigcoalition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Za8SOVuGHs&list=UUu4Q7iE0z1Jw7yUjs56dvXA&index=1
alex jones – without his straight jacket!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg&feature=endscreen&NR=1
multi-millionaire gun manufacturer wayne lapierre who works for koch brothers & gets paid over $1,000,000 / year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar6K2STVVQ
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WRITE CONGRESS:
find your congresspeople
house:
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senate:
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VP Joe Biden, Gun Panel, 1600 Pennsylvania Av, Washington DC 20006
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Dear ............................:
[ Y.O.U.R...I.N.T.R.O...H.E.R.E ]
While some people may want to confiscate guns, I don’t.
Here is a much more feasible approach.
It will not solve all gun problems, but it will
reduce the number of guns
and that will reduce the number of dangerous people who have access to guns -
and isn't THAT our real goal?
My proposal - for a NATIONAL gun law for all guns & owners:
My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.
Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our 11,000+ gun disasters:
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all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.
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every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.
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as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.
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every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police
additionally -
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Some real 2011 / 2012 gun statistics:
Americans own almost half of all civilian owned guns in the world.
Per 100,000: America: 88,880 guns owned ; 2.97 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: England.…: 6,200 guns owned ; 0.07 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Austrailia: 15,000 guns owned ; 0.14 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Canada…: 30,800 guns owned ; 0.51 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: France….: 31,000 guns owned ; 0.06 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Japan……..: 1,000 guns owned ; 0.08 homicides Per 100,000
Per 100,000: Israel……..: 7,300 guns owned ; 0.90 homicides Per 100,000
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-statistics/period-ending-march-2012/rft-annual-trend-and-demographic-tables-2011-12.xls
The above link is to England police statistics - see table D19
Is the nra & its trolls claiming that we will fail, where England & Australia succeeded in reducing gun deaths substantially by legislation?
Statistics clearly prove that the number of guns adds to the risk of homicides.
More complex is the effect of gun laws and restrictions.
When Australia had a massacre in 1996 when 35 people were killed, gun laws were substantially strengthened and a major buy-back was instituted.
There has not been an incident in Australia since then.
Of course, they did not have the benefit of the nra.
In 2011, there were 11,000+ gun homicides in America
In 2011, there were 35 gun deaths in England
For 2011, the average Murder Rate in Death Penalty States was 4.7,
while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.1
For 2011, the murder rates were highest in red state regions:
Per 100,000: South 5.5 Midwest 4.5 West 4.2 Northeast 3.9
VERY IMPORTANT:
The 1994 gun "ban" did NOT ban assault weapons.
It banned the MANUFACTURE of assault weapons.
Scalia - yes that Scalia - has ruled the AR15s are NOT “protected” by Article 2
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that there are "undoubtedly" limits to a person's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment, but that future court cases will have to decide where to draw the line. That link could be between you and an bushmaster.
During an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Scalia was asked whether lawmakers have the right to ban high-capacity gun magazines without violating a person's constitutional right to bear arms. "We'll see," Scalia said, suggesting that future court cases will determine what limitations on modern-day weapons are permissible.
"Some limitations undoubtedly are permissible because there were some that were acknowledged at the time" the Constitution was written, Scalia said. He cited a practice from that era known as "frighting," where people "carried around a really horrible weapon just to scare people. That was, I believe, a misdemeanor."
"So yes, there are some limitations that can be imposed," Scalia said. "What they are will depend on what the society understood were reasonable limitations at the time."
The conservative justice notably authored the Supreme Court's 2008 opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller, which ruled that the Second Amendment protects a person's right to bear arms. The court ruled that "the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited."
Scalia pointed out that that the Second Amendment "obviously" doesn't apply to weapons that can't be hand-carried, and modern-day weapons like "hand-held rocket launchers that can bring down airplanes" weren't factored in at the time of the writing of the Constitution.
"My starting point and probably my ending point will be what limitations are within the understood limitations that the society had at the time," he said. "They had some limitations on the nature of arms that could be borne. So we'll see what those limitations are as applied to modern weapons." Ultimately, Scalia said, any new gun restrictions will have to be weighed "very carefully"
We have, in our electoral/political/governmental negligence, allowed scum to form that we really need to scrape off!
Yes we should all trust the people that are owned by the corporations.We should all allow the people that are owned by the corporations to make laws that infringe upon our rights.We should be obediant slaves so a few will feel safe and secure as they scurry about. We should all agree that modern arms has made the freedom to bear arms obsolete.We should also agree that the computer has made freedom of the press obsolete.Etc,etc,
"Crossfire"
Day by day, night after night
Blinded by the neon light
Hurry here, hustling there
No one's got the time to spare
Money's tight, nothing free
Won't somebody come and rescue me
I am stranded, caught in the crossfire
Stranded, caught in the crossfire
Tooth for tooth, eye for an eye
Sell your soul just to bop on by
Beggin' for a dollar, stealin' a dime
Come on can't you see that I'm
Stranded, caught in the crossfire
I am stranded, caught in the crossfire
I need some, kind of kindness
Some kind of sympathy, oh no
(Lead) Save the strong, lose the weak
Never turning the other cheek
Trust nobody, don't be no fool
Whatever happened to the golden rule
Another bullshit thread.That does nothing to adresse the issues of Occupy.Self serving crap that does nothing but divert attention away from the power of the banks.Brought to us by more of the same divide coke/pepsi--Liberal/conservative assholes.
Thank you - all of the gun BS is just that - BS.
So what? How many people have been killed in Chicago this week? How many have died in auto accidents or overdoses? Spare me!
Las Vegas police in shock after lieutenant kills wife, son, self
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/22/16642392-las-vegas-police-in-shock-after-lieutenant-kills-wife-son-self?lite
Yeah, the problem's not law abiding gun owners.
Really?
Really?
REALLY???
How many "law abiding citizens" do you know who go out and kill someone? Lets see your stats on that.
What happened there, Shayneh? Did you forget the numerous threads that you started on how many people were actually defending themselves?
Don't ask stupid questions.
It's not a stupid question - you can't respond because you know as well as I "law abiding citizens" don't comitt crimes using firearms - criminals do.
So focus on the criminal mind and lets see if you can solve that problem. If you can, then gun ownership won't be a problem because only "law abiding citizens" will own firearms.
Everyone is law abiding until they aren't. So, how about you get over it and start actually addressing the issues instead of playing right wing shill.
I have adressed the issue time and time again - our "violent young society" - that's where the problem is. Just today another shooting - and who was involved - it wasn't a 60 year old -
It just so happened to be a couple of "young mild manered individuals" who had a "disagreement" and didn''t know how to hell to deal with solving problems just like the rest of the younger generation so a gun was used.
You can be sure that the firearms used in this crime wasn't obtained "legally" and you can be certain this individual knows nothing about "gun safety".
So tell me was this individual a "law abiding citizen" who decided to pull a gun and shoot someone or was it a young individual who couldn't cope and decided it was easier to shoot someone then thy to work the problem out.
Just like all the rest of the school shootings - See a pattern there?
I have repeatedly addressed the issues. You simply have a lack of comprehension.
Compassion has nothing to do with it when you have people who would rather use a "firearm" to solve a problem then use rational thinking.
The younger generation in this country has a "hugh problem" when it comes to being able to deal with problems. Have you ever looked at the program "Wrold's dumbest" - just about everyone on there is either part of the X, Y or melimimum generation - and it's all about violence.
Oh, lawd have mercy................
comprehension.
Now, go back and start over.
Sorry but it's all about "compassion" If there was compassion then we wouldn't be having this discussion would we.
You are in denial when you think that more "gun control laws" will solve the "ills of society", especially within the younger generation.
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Um...........no, it really is about comprehension.
Alright if you want to foucs on "comprehension" then I will say this about it.
From what I see there is very' "little" comprehension when it comes to the vast majority of the younger generation "grasping" and understanding what it takes to be successful.
If you look at who was at Obamas Inagural - it was 99% younger people -
Hitler said in one of his speeches - give me the youth of society and I can conquer the country. Well Obama has divided this country by doing that very thing.
Todays youth is bitter because they have been taught to be so. When they talk about the have and have nots they draw a bitter line.
What they don't understand is that the people whom they are talking or referring to are "Americans" regardless of how rich they are.
They look at them as "the enemy" and have been brainwashed in believing that - that is why this country is so divided.
That is why there is so much violence withing the younger generation -
They have been taught "not to compromise" but to do what they have been taught to do - take vengence on someone who has more then they do.
This kind of thinking follows a person through life and as a result they live a "miserable life". And this is what we are seeing.
We are experienceing a generation and society that has been taught to be "violent towards others"
I see it in how ceretain people on this respond when disagreeing and it's no different anywhere else.
We have a problem in this country when it comes to what our younger generation thinks and how they should resovle problems
That is a fact and using violence is the only way a vast majority know how to deal with the problems they encounter.
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Wha - what? oh I was sleeping - were you snoring?
Nothing wrong with the younger generation that having a healthy society wouldn't fix.
[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23474) from Coon Rapids, MN 0 minutes ago Wha - what? oh I was sleeping - were you snoring?
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Nope. Besides, if I was sleeping how would I know if I was snoring?
That's why I thought I should ask.
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lol.
Good point - maybe it was me?
Would you know if you were snoring?
Well that was presented rather gently. Saving the 2x4 for later? {:-])
Yes. Yes, I am.
lol - the shit that comes out of it's mouth - I admire your restraint.
I was planning on being angelic today.
Really, really.
You say that like I wouldn't believe you - I am Hurt. LOL
lol.
Really..............lol.........nope couldn't keep a straight face.... aAHhahaha
Gun Fight ? Show down at high noon? Were they caught in the crossfire? Or were they just the losers in the fight?
I just read the story. Just another day in da hood. I’m not joking. It’s so common, most cases don’t even make the news anymore.
When will people understand the problem is gangs and drugs, not law abiding gun owners. None of the proposed gun restrictions would have made a difference in this situation.
I understand the difficulty of confronting gang violence. But we must do something or this continue to get worse.
It was apparently an altercation between two people and the say it might be gang related. It wasn't like and attempted massacre or anything.
thanks for the great news