Forum Post: Get it together.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 5:40 p.m. EST by Businessman
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This isn't a war; there will be no violence. If you are violent you will see a response of violence sufficient enough to destroy your ability to be violent, and that would suck for you. Also.. serious question - Why are you still protesting banks that promote government elections when it's the officials themselves that are the ones willing to accept it?
"Also.. serious question - Why are you still protesting banks that promote government elections when it's the officials themselves that are the ones willing to accept it?"
They protest both. So... point is null.
A link - 9 Demands from the 99% - a petition that is pretty concise -http://ninedemands.com/petitions/working-america
@Businessman - I think your honest question might have been addressed if your tone wasn't so snarky. You have no idea who is on here or what their life or education is and yet you take on a condescending tone - "twiddling your thumbs"? Please. If you want an honest discourse with people, stop assuming you're better than they are and you know so much more than they do. It promotes an angry reaction. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone speaking to you as though you were a moron. The fact that you call yourself "Businessman" really doesn't give you any more validity or credibility than anyone else, does it?
The sad truth is.......most responses to questions asked from everyday people looking for some insight on this forum are dealt with just like that.......snarky responses from seemingly knowitalls that act so much more superior then anyone else, like as if cluing into government corruption was some sort of perception that only a slect few are smart enough to perceive.......the 99% is alot of people, and we needs their support, and you know what they say about assholes and opinions........
Couldn't you just cut the shit and get on with either the Tea Party or Ron Lawl is your savior bit. Speed up the process.
It was an honest question. The majority of you seem incredibly defensive about your own ideals, but have no problem bashing the other side.
Bull shit, you joined today without having read the other 99 posts? Skip it and tell us which side it is that you want everybody else to join?
Why would I read anything else that does not directly address that which I am curious about? And I'm not here to tell people to pick a side. What you have done is effectively alienated yet another person from your cause by being an arrogant ass.
You are all the same. Same shit.
And you're implying that you're not all the same. Classic
I'm telling you that you are flooding the boards for your own agenda. State your agenda. Which savior are you proposing? Tea Party or Ron Paul? Perhaps a third party which will hand 2012 to the Republican/Tea Party?
why does he have to have an agenda if he disagrees with you? I'm a fiscal conservative/social moderate, don't know whom I'm voting for. I've been on this site for weeks now. I've had some great discussions with people and others not so much, however, you want to promote free speech, unless its speech you don't agree with. That's not very democratic of you, is it?
He has an agenda that is like the exact same statement. You couldn't like create one thread? We need sock puppets for the same? Don't cry victim.
get over yourself
You first.
Wow GirlFriday - you are EXACTLY why the majority of this country does not support your movement. Hateful, judgemental and rude... how would you expect to persuade anyone to join you, especially when they were asking a real question and you attack them. I thought supposedly you guys had people of all political persuasions but there you go, bashing republicans and libertarians. Perhaps the people in charge of this movement should take away your iBook or whatever you post with because wow, you are a lousy example of the people there and only prove further why you should all just go away.
I'm crushed, binkster.
And incredibly sad... in more ways than you know. Maybe one day you'll start to figure out that making enemies of everyone before you actually know if they are an enemy will get you nowhere. Have fun being pepper sprayed...
Okie dokie. Carry on or change names.
Prisoner's Dilemma.
The government officials are also being targeted as people begin to fight back with recall elections, putting the new voter regulations on ballots in order to defeat them, and planning to exercise their rights to vote and clean house in November. The financial institutions and major corporations have been 'hiding' behind them and working behind the scenes pumping enormous amounts of money into promoting deregulation, subsidies, tax breaks, and legislation aimed at continuing to benefit only the wealthiest while destroying the middle class and cutting programs to help the lower classes who need the most help - seniors, education, children, unemployed, etc. It's not just the banks being protested - it's the entire corrupt system that is finally being brought to light and THAT is what is being protested. The banks took taxpayer money for bailouts, had no accountability in how they used OUR money, yet deny small businesses and individuals loans to help develop new small businesses or hold on to their homes. It's a mistake to underestimate how ANGRY people are - it's not just lazy college students or 'hippies' who are fed up. It's also older people who have worked all their lives and are losing homes, jobs or taking pay cuts, their pensions and savings wiped out, and their lifestyles decimated while the wealthiest continue to want tax cuts. This is NOT a small movement, and the longer the wealthiest and the 'powers-that-be' continue with their snide "get a job" comments and insults, the angrier the rest of us are gettting - even if we're not able to go to New York and pick up a sign.
The problem is that most of the people protesting don't see the underlying issues and are being blinded by the majority's voice, which is flawed. If you really want to change stuff you're going to have to make sure everyone is on the same page first.
There is a distinct problem with your theory. We're talking about a tremendous number of human beings who are struggling, losing everything, and are angry. This is not a 'specific issue' protest. It's not like the Vietnam War protests where that was the primary focus - a single issue. People DO see the underlying issues, however, the underlying issues impact tremendous and far-reaching areas of our lives. Government, banking and financial instituions, attacks on voters rights, the push for tax breaks for the wealthy to continue, the cuts to programs for the neediest, the lack of jobs, the number of jobs being sent overseas by companies that have gotten stimulus funds (which was OUR tax money!), the lack of healthcare for Americans, etc., etc., etc. Those job creators who haven't created jobs and the corporations who have sent jobs overseas to cut their costs seem to be blind to the concept that there isn't as much demand for their products these days because they're killing off their consumer base! Investors who have had the freedom to gamble with commercial bank deposits and people like Bernie Madoff who are prime examples of the greed and corruption that has been allowed to flourish. How many haven't been caught yet? Trickle UP is a far more realistic approach than Trickle DOWN. Trickle Down certainly hasn't worked well for anyone except the top tier who aren't letting anything trickle anywhere. You seem to think you have it figured out, so how do you fix all of it?
Anyone going to answer? Or should I twiddle my thumbs and make brash assumptions that I believe you would answer with?
isn't it weird how question asked on this forum never actually get answered? you just endup arguing about differences of opinions........almost like this place is some sort of fake entity that pretends to be OWS protesters but really it's like trying to ask a politician a question and they answer with "I cannot deny or confirm any allegations at this point"........people come here asking questions about OWS and they get..."just shutup and do some research you stupid ass sheep"......stuff like that....wtf?
Unfortunate that one person's response is the only one you're focusing on. While GirlFriday may be passionate in her opinion, I would not necessarily align myself with her because many of her responses are simply immature and childish - "You first." Come on, No wonder people see this as a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum. If the point is to try to help people understand why the OWS movement DOES represent a very large segment of the citizenry (and I do support the protesters), it's going to be necessary to actually answer questions or to try to explain what it is you would like to see changed.
Agreed, a really good reason to adopt a representative, Leader seems to be the avoidance here, so, representative or at least a PR person or people would be helpful.......the articulate type......