Forum Post: Georgia opens first jail devoted to U.S. veterans
Posted 12 years ago on May 7, 2012, 8:42 a.m. EST by Umong
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it was obviously not enough for thousands of young people to have been sent to fight ridiculous wars but on top of that to come back and be treated like second class citizens. it is disgusting and outrageous and it's why I wouldn't give the government the time of day let alone risking my life for them
Georgia opens first jail devoted to U.S. veterans
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/06/georgia-opens-first-jail-devoted-to-u-s-veterans/
Did you even read the article - or did you just get enraged by the title and decide to post something? The article explains that some of our veterans are coming back from war with issues that they have trouble dealing with. Instead of just throwing them into jail - they are providing them with a place to serve their time while getting HELP. It seems like you would be supportive of this...
if the article is not properly titled
no one will be able to find it
and I only read this statement
It is jail. I don't think you can just walk in there and say, I'm a vet, what's for dinner. That's the impression I got.
That isn't the impression I got from the article. It looked to me like the vets would be segregated from the general population and provided with additional resources related to their specific needs.
Wouldn't that be discrimination? (Or shall we change the definition of the word?)
Providing people with the resources they need, specific to their malady? No, I would call that common sense.
But if that is your tune, then I guess separating juveniles and adults is discrimination as well.
Mr. friendly opposition says:
"vets would be segregated from the general population and provided with additional resources ..."
then says this in covering up:
"Providing **people** with the resources they need, specific to their malady? No, I would call that common sense. "
To which, I say, "sounds like you changed your tune Mr. Opposition, now your vets are, not vets, but people, in general?"
SO now your advocating providing ALL the people resources not just your favored vets. Does this not mean that you, in fact, changed your tune?
You got caught. So, don't bother trying to squirm out of it. Save face and just slink away.
Good Night Opposed.
The Puzzler
Here's a little piece of trivia for you. Veterans are people. Not dogs, not cats, not zebras. Veterans are actually people.
Sorry to throw you that curve ball. I'll try to speak in simple terms in future posts.
And Friendly Oppo-------------> People are Veterans. :D
So, following this simple logic, some people are veterans, just like some people are criminals, and then some people are short, some fat, skinny, young, old, male, female, doctors, lawyers, fireman, laborers, sweepers, janitors, engineers, scientists,
BUT NOT, dogs, cats, pigeons, hawks, seals, turnips, beets, rabbits, silk worms, lizards, worms, octopus, black bear, salmon, baked potatoe, rum&coke, sparkling champagne, chocolate mousse eggs, snake oil, wood roses, or jelly-fish of any kind.
I can clarify further for you? Or is this lesson over?
The Puzzler LMAO :D
friendlyopposition, Part of the reason for this program was to keep vets off the streets and away from guns at a time when there's great potential for civil unrest. Do you expect Puzzler to understand? It's not in him.
I hope they do this in Wisconsin and everywhere else.
I'm a vet and I'm in favor of this. I would rather be segregated with people I can relate to.
My nomination for the first "resident" veteran - shrub
What's the problem? This is how prison for most inmates should be (considering most inmates will be returning to society). I mean, chances are society already failed them in a variety of other ways, and so this sort of approach to corrections should be the norm, not the exception.
Rambo was right!!
They can relate to each other the horrors of WAR and how that lead them to becoming a criminal. I can easy see how this common experience can help rehabilitate some of these soldiers. Of course others are just starting their life of crime.
More soldiers kill themselves then die in the WAR. The casualties don't just stop on the battlefield, in fact it's less than half, actually.
Funny how now the Prison Gods think of rehabilitation now after neglecting the issue for so many decades while pver-filling the Prisons with drug addicts and Pot Heads. Big business.
Punishment was always the clarion call for the prime idea of what Prison is for. Rehabilitation was paid some lip service but always as a second thought to let's lock up bastards. Dopers. (Of which many returning GIs have become)
Read this article, it backs up every word I've said for those who were too weak kneed to handle the truth.
READ: http://rt.com/usa/blogs/view-oakland-christopher-university/war-drug-federal-prison/
And, PLZ, don't respond to my comment until after you read the article. If you don't care enough to read the article, then don't bother responding to me either.
The Puzzler
What did the article have to do with this thread?
Your supposed to tell me. Did you read the article like I asked. Obviously not.
Answer these. Read much? Follow instructions?
Ok. I'll tell you what your link has to do with the article.
Nothing.
But I can see how you might be confused. See, the veterans in the OP article are actually military veterans, those that served in the war in the middle east. Just because your link talks about the "drug war" that doesn't make it the same thing.
Common mistake. Among morons.
It always takes one to know one. I think you are lost. Of course, it's a common mistake so your not alone with it. There's always group therapy.
Good Luck in trying to re-gain your composure, it seems you tea tootling may be making you irate and ugly. Not friendly as name suggests now is it Mr. Friendly.
Are you an OxyMoron?
Just Puzzlin
It takes one to know one. That's awesome. I haven't heard that since the 3rd grade. And even then, it was lame.
Good night Mr. Puzzlin.
Ok, Mr. Oxy....Good Nite :D
There's always tomorrow....:D
Weren't you arrested in Cleveland?
Really. Cleveland Rocks.
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Occupy Phoenix had the most incredible video on their livestream the other night about the CIA and Rick Ross, Iran contra and drug trade.
I will try to find the link.
I just looked into the two Rick Ross guys a little bit. That's a trip.
perhaps they've been in an environment where laws were violated
That's a key thought. These returning vets are very troubled and upon returning back to the real world - it's PTSD time. And this problem is very REAL. It manifests in very brutal and violent ways. Let's just say we haven't seen our last massacre!
Their suicide rate is unbelievably high. This alone should wake everyone up with what has happened to these multi-tour vets. War is natural for the king pins who put us into them, but not for those who carry out the death sentences. It's not natural to kill each other, and never will be. That's WHY THEY call it HELL.
Let's fight for Peace and stop senseless killing.
READ and Learn: http://rt.com/usa/blogs/view-oakland-christopher-university/war-drug-federal-prison/
NAWAPA Would Give Veterans a Real Mission for the Nation
According to numerous studies and other data, veterans suffer more from the ills that plague society than their non-veteran counterparts. They experience higher rates of joblessness and homelessness, and suffer from mental health issues stemming from their traumatic war experiences, for which there is very little equivalent in the civilian population. They also have lost their mission orientation, which aggravates their difficulties in re-integrating back into the civilian population.
Were the nation to re-orient itself to building the North American Water and Power Alliance, veterans of military service would once again have a mission, but unlike their previous combat mission, this would be a mission of building the future. On August 26, 2010, Lyndon LaRouche noted that the NAWAPA program will employ 3-4 million skilled workers — fast! — directly and indirectly, inclusively in such offshoots as electrified rail-building and nuclear plant development essential to the vast NAWAPA work. To this "top-down" employment of the more skilled workers and experienced engineers and scientists, will be added "CCC" employment in construction on a large scale.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and veterans of military service have essential roles to play in both. "Bring in the Army Corps of Engineers, and make a priority of employing veterans coming out of military service to absorb them first, with the highest priority. They performed honorable military service. We need them to constitute an inactive military reserve, dedicated to this kind of project under the Army Corps of Engineers," LaRouche said.
http://larouchepac.com/node/22592
Haha. LaRouche? No thanks.
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this is of course a great idea. if there ever comes a revolution.. they dont want trained military out and about on the streets now do they?
Why don't you try reading the linked article before posting?
Like you do? You seem to be the one suffering from an obvious reading deficiency. I got your twice now in this same thread.
Are you lost?
I read the article. It is about segregating prisoners and providing them with resources specific to their needs regarding PTSD, drug addiction and what not. Helping prepare them to return to the world, with the hopes that they don't return to crime.
Mr. Gesto's statement indicates that this jail is a place for them to lock up veterans so that they are not on the streets.
Have I made myself clear? Have I satisfied your curiosity as to whether I have read the article or not? It seemed pretty clear to me what I was trying alluding to, but I don't mind speaking slowly for those that can't keep up.
Hey Puzzin, ever been in a war or been to vietnam? Sounds like you haven't so how can you make a "rational comment" about what the vets are going through?
Oh really. Do I know you?
LOL. Well, there's that too. They don't want ex-military out and about to be more specific.
yes, ex-military.. they will want current military to keep the dissidents in their place.
that's tragically ironic
like a steal trap