Forum Post: Generalized lawful intent of protest action.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 29, 2011, 5:36 p.m. EST by unfleecedbysheep
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Declaration of independence, and excerpt: Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The purpose here is to find a direction. I am not willing to assume on the behalf of all others what the specific action or direction is. Obviously the protest itself is the first act that facilitates and allows for further discussion of the needed action. The simpler the better, and the more inline with current structure the easier to accomplish without running into media spin and corporate/government ideology battles. First get a good executive who is willing to restructure the government for the better of all people instead of a few wealthy ones. Read up on Candidates and take a close look at voting records. I personally believe Dr. Paul has shown the most consistent and non corporatist agenda. Having been the only member in the entire congress to vote no on the wars for example. The fact that the corporate media intentionally ignores and blocks him from public view shows how his agenda is not favorable to their corporatist agenda.
Class warfare? Pffft! You are giving the Ones exactly what they want. Disorder! Know the line of crossing into treason and do not cross it or They will cross you. They do the job you have them. You gave them power and money. Note money is NOT power.
There is no class warfare, when all are created equal. We are in support of acting upon our rights. Solidarity(order) in righteous lawful intentions does not create treason. It is the "treason" of elected representatives and Corporate leadership that leads us to restructuring. A restructuring called for in our constitution and in the example of our countries founders in the declaration of independence, as I have pointed out and Christopher points out below.
"We are the 99%!" is a slogan of class warfare. There are those among the movement that seek ways that we fought against and tried to prevent. That is treason. The so-called 99% and the 1% of America are the 1% of the world.
We are dealing only with issues within our own country. 99% is not a social or economic class, but a majority of individuals within our country. Again there is no treason. That is a word that shows an intent to stir emotion and cause argument. Innocent until proven guilty. This is no courtroom. Simply a forum for voicing questions and explanations. Thank you for providing incentive for further educating those who see these posts.
America affects the world. And some in the movement want to destroy pillars that America was built upon, which by literal dictionary definition is treason. Please know that I see we need reform, but the basis, tactics, and wants of this movement are childish and irrational. Emotion should have no part in making powerful decisions.
I agree, though unavoidable. I do not wish to destroy these pillars but to reinforce them and rebuild those that have been chipped away at slowly over the past 200 years by those who wish to control or deny the truth for their own purposes. This process is facilitated by the protesters sticking together, agreeing on these common principles of individual rights, and utilizing the tools left by the founders in the constitution to do the repairs to those "pillars" or our governing structure.
Yes it is unavoidable. All I'm saying is that there are too many different views trying to accomplish similar goals, some of which defeats the purpose of calling one's self an American.
I don't believe there is a purpose to calling ones self an American. It is a fact or it is not. Status of citizenship etc.. The purpose here is to find a direction. I am not willing to assume on the behalf of all others what the specific action or direction is. Obviously the protest itself is the first act that facilitates and allows for further discussion of the needed action. The simpler the better, and the more inline with current structure the easier to accomplish without running into media spin and corporate/government ideology battles. First get a good executive who is willing to restructure the government for the better of all people instead of a few wealthy ones. Read up on Candidates and take a close look at voting records. I personally believe Dr. Paul has shown the most consistent and non corporatist agenda. Having been the only member in the entire congress to vote no on the wars for example. The fact that the corporate media intentionally ignores and blocks him from public view shows how his agenda is not favorable to their corporatist agenda.
I meant the slogan of "99%" as calling one's self an American. If they are against it, why count themselves in it? That is what I was trying to get at.
ok. I don't think anybody is against it. Although it does not feel good to be associated with something that you are in disagreement with.
It seems you understand my point. As for that war statement above, some people do not listen without force. War and peace can only coexist, one cannot be without the other. As long as there is consciousness, there will be war. Look at what appeasement did in WWII. A lot of mess could have been avoided if we stepped in sooner. Certain parts of the Middle East will not stop. Their goal is to destroy us.
understandable. I was referring to the "Iraq war resolution". But those who seek to destroy "us" are a minority that is kept at bay not solely by us, but by their own governments. Although like our government there are corrupt insiders. We all still require prosperity for business and trade to prosper. Especially when it comes to food. I think in today's technological connectedness we would have a heads up much sooner than in the case of nazi Germany, since we lacked those resources and were unable to discern the threat early on.
is it that nobody believes this, or nobody believes the government would let us get away with it?
It is happening right now. Occupy has this in it's favor.
OK this isn't school. Keep your lessons.
Unions can bankroll a 3rd party read more http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Instead of union leaders pissing away the members' money by giving it to the Democrats who have stabbed the unions in the back when Clinton created NAFTA the minute he got inaugurated the members money can finance a 3rd party that would end globalization. Unions need to bargain for their members by completely excluding all nonunion employees from any benefits when they negotiate contracts.
The OWS protests could influence this process if OWS would nominate candidates for the unions to finance. The OWS strategy that refuses to nominate any candidates is self destructive for the protest.
3rd party is a good step forward. A candidate would be spun in the media and would be difficult to gain support. It would end up taking votes from a 2 party candidate and nothing changes from the 2 parties. Dr. Paul is practically, though not literally, a 3rd party candidate, considering he is excluded from media exposure and is blocked at many turns in his progress. His ideas are echoed and mimicked by other candidates. He is direct and has no divisive rhetoric.
Keep all the negative ridiculous nonsense on how to fail to yourself.
My divisive rhetoric is called the truth. He's a Republican, you stupid ass.
Republican in the historical context of the term. Realism is not negative unless the reality is negative, which it is. I am supportive of 3rd party, recent and historical evidence(truth) shows how it has divided the proposed intentions of solidarity within the vast majority of disaffected voters. Simply because they are too busy working and worrying to understand the deeper issues involved that you want to address. I was not comparing your statements to that of Dr. Paul's. He(Dr.Paul) has no divisive rhetoric. Forums are not for keeping to yourself, neither is this movement. Please do not subvert it's intent.
http://overthecoals.blogspot.com/
Americans are self destructive for a reason
When 99% of the entire country votes for candidates the voters all know have taken bribes that is self destructive. The bribes weren't paid to benefit the voters. That is a simple fact that the entire country of voters should all understand. The important answer that the entire country needs to grasp is that a powerful propaganda media broadcast system has put the entire country into a trance.
Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with being the victim of brainwashing. The most important piece of the brainwashing process is what is called being "politically correct". That is designed to make the victims docile. The politicians can and do say ridiculous nonsense but the victims' trance prevents them from addressing that nonsense or the lies being told. When Obama was called a liar during his State of the Union address Obama was protected by the "political correct" trance. Instead of thoughtfully discussing what Obama had lied about and blaming Obama for telling his lie, the congressman was forced to apologize.
It is that there is a major social infiltration through media, academia and the internet. The infiltrators do not want those following them to understand and have disabled them with misrepresentions and ignorance. How else could young peopl ebe induced to give up their rights and flail impotently at the public image of wall street?
YES!-----
Our first right in our contract is Article V, the right to have congress convene delgates when 2/3 of the states have applied for an amendatory convention, then, alter and abolish.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.-------
A effort each evening to create a web conference to discuss Article 5 is beginning.--
http://www.articlevmeeting.info/
Comprehensive strategy.---
http://algoxy.com/ows/strategyofamerica.html