Forum Post: Freedumb!!!!!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 11:40 a.m. EST by MikeyD
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from Alameda, CA
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I demands free stuffz, can I haz it?
The gubment needs to keep my check comin, while I do what I want!
The rich are the problem with this country, but with the help of our politicians, we can all be rich, well educated, and debt free!
Once our government is big and powerful enough to strip all those evil rich people of their money and give it to us, we will truly be free!
Only by speaking with a unified voice for my freedumb agenda, can we make this country great again!
Some people are just on here trying to maliciously discredit the movement. Quit making assumptions about OWS participants. I hope you get your way Mike and there is no unemployment, no assistance to people who's jobs got sent to China, no help for the old, no effort to make healthcare accessible. I hope one day we can treat people like dirt. I envision an America that is reserved only for the lucky people who never have a health problem and whose parents can put them through private schools. After that day Mike I hope your job gets sent to China and you get sick - then you and your family can live in the inhumane hell-world that you created.
As long as I can haz my free stuffz now, that is all good!
I can haz some free stuffz too or iz it all for yous?
Trolls
demo-crazy, mob rule (we need technocracy and to abolish money)
Right on! End the system man! Redistribute the wealth and pussy!
Especially the pussy part. We live in a society with a social contract. Society can redistribute property and wealth. Property and wealth are created by people working (for the most part). Taking property and wealth is depriving people of the right to use their life the way they see fit by robbing the proceeds of it. So if you don't have a right to your own life and the proceeds of it, why shouldn't society also be able to decide what hot chicks do with their pussies? If we can force people to labor for others, why can't we make hot chicks fuck nerds and sloths?
Absolutely! I think we should also demand paid leave from work to play WoW, but only if you belong to a guild.
And only if you play Horde. You see. I want to screw the holy living shit out of Megan Fox. But I can't. Sadly society has failed to properly distribute wealth to me, so she is out of my league. So, since society has failed its job to make sure that I have a lot of money and free stuff, the least they could do is force Megan Fox to give me a filthy nasty blumpkin. I mean, I don't want to be greedy and ask for the pussy. Just a blumpkin should suffice.
I support you in your cause! personally, I would go for the donkey punch, but if you are happy with a blumpkin, I support you.
Troll
You mean you don't support the movement?
The guy who created this post is a troll, cause he's just hear to smack talk the movement. He's Not hear to discuss practical solutions. I didn't read your post and wasn't talking about it. The way the posts are ordered is weird.
Well refute what he is saying then. Maybe he is here to make you think. Maybe he is here to help you sharpen your thinking and argument skills so that when you are confronted by these questions/ideas in public you won't stand there with your jaw on the floor looking for the best name to call someone.
His argument is a satire based on inflammatory falsehoods. Not sound reasoning based on facts. So his statement is null on those grounds to begin with, but even if I did want to get the implied points, it would be a waste of time picking through so much B.S. to refute a goon who isn't going to give a crap anyway. I know many self proclaimed tea partyers and republicans. Changing them can sometimes take years.
His argument is a satire based on inflammatory falsehoods. Not sound reasoning based on facts. So his statement is null on those grounds to begin with, but even if I did want to get the implied points, it would be a waste of time picking through so much B.S. to refute a goon who isn't going to give a crap anyway. I know many self proclaimed tea partyers and republicans. Changing them can sometimes take years.
There's not too much point in me or anybody attempting to sway your opinions about the current civil unrest, because it's likely you will not be aware of the crisis until you experience it directly.
You're juvenile critique of the struggle for human rights won't work on people who are truly compassionate and interested in the human adventure.
The current trend within this system is to continue the devaluation of your money, whilst the cost of living continues to rise.
Whatever vested interest you might have with capitalism, the system is unsustainable. Even though you might lack the predictive or observational capacity to figure this out, other people with unbiased and clear minds will, and those mature and focused enough will see.
This is beyond opinions, emotions, cliches and stereotypes.
You are free to remain the way you are, to keep working, to keep shopping, to keep paying your bills and keep playing games and consuming media.
That's fine, but a growing number of people aren't interested in joining you on that endeavor. An even larger number of people have nothing, no money, no job, no education, no car, no house, so they can't anyway.
So I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate exactly. Why don't you have another go without the animosity.
Then don't stereotype me. You don't know me. Don't like the stereotype my post represents? Fine. Do something meaningful. VOTE AGAINST IT!
What we have is not a democracy, but a plutarchy - A society under control by a gratuitously wealthy minority.
Voting in a new candidate does not work because the decisions made by congress are determined by the requirements of big business rather than human needs.
No candidate, no political party, no new doctrine or bill that meets the needs of the population will ever be passed due the influence of corporations and capital over the political process.
The only force which will resolve this crisis is a drastic reconfiguration of how our civilization operates and functions - a revolution.
Right. And they call Tea Partiers cynical. While what you say may be based on assumptions that historically have been proven to be inaccurate. Elections do cause change, just not radical change. Radical change happens over a series of elections, or via a revolution. If you think 99% of Americans support a revolution, you are sadly mistaken. A series of elections to vote out people who work against the interest of the American people, on the other hand you will find broad based support for.
When Unemployment is at 50%, you can start talking about revolutions.
If you believe that what have said is historically inaccurate, then you must provide proof.
I am also unsure as to the specific 'assumptions' which you contest.
I am not denying that changes can occur through elections or series of elections, however it's not the candidate or the attached political party who makes the decisions.
For instance, Reagan, under the influence the banks, deregulated the markets. Bush, in an effort to acquire Oil and expand the capitalist economy into the middle east, declared war on Afghanistan and Iraq.
Preceding that war, the world saw some of the most massive demonstrations the world has ever seen.
However, the type of change required to solve the current crisis will not happen through standard political procedure, because this crisis is directly related the political economic system which has existed in it's current form since the beginning of capitalism.
All the previous crisis - such as the great depression and the perpetual military conflicts - are also related.
You say that 99% of Americans won't support a revolution. This might be true but ultimately it doesn't matter.
A careful, unbiased analysis of the capitalism shows that it is unsustainable.
Many Romans probably didn't support the end of Rome, but it happened anyway.
"the decisions made by congress are determined by the requirements of big business rather than human needs."
Then why does OWS seem to embrace Russell Simmons?
Russell Simmons successfully lobbied Congress for an exemption for prepaid cards from financial reform regulations.
But yet he is NOT called out for this, and instead is enthusiastically supported?
http://news.change.org/stories/russell-simmonss-prepaid-debit-cards-empowering-or-predatory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-mack/a-letter-to-russell-simmo_b_157537.html
Hypocrisy much?
There has been lots of different people visiting the wall street demonstration, with varying political ideologies and opinions.
There are Marxists, liberals, libertarians, communists, fascists, anarchists, democrats, socialists, maybe even conservatives.
There's no doctrine over who and who shouldn't be there. Maybe Russel is a bad guy, but I don't see this as a cause to discriminate the entire movement.
Everything that happens is the result of a crisis that won't be fixed by anything less than a global revolt against the way things are. The poverty, the homelessness, the economic collapse, the environmental destruction, these things are a part of reality, no matter what our opinions are.
People who are conscious and intelligent will not abide to the perpetuation of this system in it's current form, because the system itself is unsustainable.
Are you suggesting that the lobbying by "certain" big-moneyed interest, be over looked? Based on what criteria?
I am not suggesting that he be denied a voice, but rather that he should be called on to reconcile he private business practices with this public statements.
Perhaps he should.
In my opinion, those such as he who has vested interests within this system are going to have the most to lose.
An increasing percentage of the population will be unable to afford his services, and the currency will continue to lose value.
do you have a point luptard? rambling.
You're response if far more uncommunicative than mine.
If you're interested in my contentions, read the post you just replied to carefully and If you take issue with anything I have said, respond by providing examples contrary to the claims I have put forward.
If you wish to express distaste with me or my opinion, feel free to do so.
I will say, it's rather more helpful and constructive to provide evidence to support your claims.
you sound like a real pinhead, so im tempted to ignore you, but since you mention the wealthy minority that controls society im curious who do you mean? if you mean corporations that pay the lobbiest whores and have the politicians in their pocket, i would agree. if you refer to the hard working folks on wall street, like myself, well then you can go....
well, I agree.
We both want the corporate influence over politics to end, so that is a common goal.
The workers and the protesters are certainly not the minority I mentioned. I will be joining them on the 15nth in my city.