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Forum Post: Indefinite detention without a trial !

Posted 3 hours ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 10:25 p.m. EST by ropeknot | edit | delete This content is user submitted and not an official statement

Indefinite detention without a trial !

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Read the Rules [-] ropeknot 1 points 2 hours ago

I don't know how others see this post, but I see all the questions and answers posted all over the place in no specific order. Does anyone else see it this way ? ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 2 hours ago

O.K. !

So we are ( after your long pause with no other answers ) at war ! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 2 hours ago

"the rights that have been given to you"

Our own people , ( the government ) just took or constitutional rights away for the right to trial !

Am I missing something ??? ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] hchc (Tampa, FL) 1 points 2 hours ago

Thank the Democrat and Republican parties. The Senate said yes by a whopping 93-7 margin. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 41 minutes ago

and now we don't have a say and just sit back and take this dictatorial way of a new constitution?!??

I will not go easily! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 2 hours ago

Yup !

So it's up to the people who will sacrifice their lives; as those whom have done in the past for our freedoms as per our constitution and our way of life !?!!! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 3 hours ago

So if the police knock on my door and within a few seconds i can't make it to the door they bust in and with no warrant let alone a reason ( defying all constitutional laws ) take me into custody for what I think ; If I'm not mistaken; you're implying that I surrender after all the lives that have been lost protecting our constitution ? ! ? !

As the Japanese did for their honor and heart ; I will go to my grave fighting for our constitution that has always been, from the start, with my life as so many before me have done ; for me ; and you !!!!!! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] necropaulis 1 points 3 hours ago

Can't do it. If you think you are in this kind of situation(you won't/aren't) get a lawyer. Unless you are one of these idiots who sit around a park after the 9 millionth warning to leave, then you may be dumb enough to let them do this to you, along with being pepper sprayed-which after watching these pepper spray vids, I can tell you, what the cops used on these people is nothing compared to the real deal stuff ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 3 hours ago

Excuse me ;

Indefinite detention without a trial !

Means no lawyers ! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] necropaulis 1 points 3 hours ago

You have a right to a speedy trial. If you give up that right, what ever happens happens. It's on you. This is why people sit in parks and go to concerts put on by the rich to complain about the rich. No personal reponsiblity. And no, we are not at war. Not even close. I promise you, if civil war broke out again, most of these sheep would be cut down on Day 1. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 3 hours ago

It's not on me !

I'm supposedly innocent until proven guilty !

And is this day 1 ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] necropaulis 1 points 3 hours ago

"It's not on me"-this is the major problem I have with the Occupy people as well as those who sue McD's because they didn't understand coffee is hot. No personal responsibility. If YOU don't understand the rights that have been given to you, YOU will be the one to get screwed in the end. Just as the police say, ignorance is no excuse. Exercise your rights, and see what happens. If you find yourself in such a situation (highly unlikely in USA) contact family/loved ones and get help from the outside. Trust me the lawyers will be clawing at their door to "help you"(by which, of course I mean padding their own coffers and yours) This is why we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights. If you choose to stay somewhere after repeatingly being told to leave, you are guilty. If your walking down the street to work,and get arrested because you're on the same side of the street of a mob resisting the police, then, unfortunatly, you may get lumped in, but trust me, nobody-including the police- wants an extra body in jail for nothing when real criminals are out there causing real trouble Have you actually read anything at all about what happens when civil war breaks out?? Like what our country went through?? Or what is going on in Libya ?? Thousands died on both lines. Guns and lines were drawn. Blood was shed. And then a time of confusion begat order. This is not a civil war, it is not day 1. ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes I see your point , but sorry ,

It is day 1

The guns have been here for as long as we have existed !

The original U.S.A. is making a come back and blood ( as per our past ) will flow ! Including mine !!!

No one wants it , but the senate just took our rite to trial away !

I'll be arrested for what I've just said because of our new law.

but guess what !

I'd rather die than let my constitutional rites that our people have died for: be changed to make "us" the enemy in an indefinite jail duration situation without even the basic war rules applying; such as the Geneva convention;!

We all must rise up with our pitch forks and hoes, such as the Ukraine just did recently , and take our government back :

: OR DIE TRYING!

O.W.S. has to be more than vocal now !

We have to take back our constitutional rights ! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] necropaulis 1 points 1 hour ago

Are you a functioning terrorist?? Any terrorist friends?? I'm not talking guns drawn as "I'mma write a letter!!", I mean, go into the cabinet, grab the AR, and start killing your enemies. By saying you need to be more than vocal will not get your point across, it will get you killed. This law of yours is also under veto. You will not be arrested for writing this. You will be arrested for sitting in a park when the law, mayors, etc tell you to leave. come at your local LEO with a pitchfork and see how far you get ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 1 hour ago

P.S.

What is the LEO ? ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 1 hour ago

Terrorists take from us , not give us good ideas , so No I'm not a terrorist!

I'm giving you a good idea;

Many have died already for our constitution !

This law has not been approved ? Then my Question would be :

How did it ever get to the voting status in our senate ?

Morally , you have a flaw ! Constitutionally ; you have a flaw ! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] necropaulis 1 points 44 minutes ago

I have many flaws that I accept, but on this, I say(not beg) to differ. And as odd as it sounds, yes terrorist do give us good ideas on occasion. Look at World War 2. If it wasn't for a few Nazi scientists, we wouldn't be where we are today. I said it was on the floor to get vetoed. And it should. It's unconstitutional in every way. After 9/11, rights have been taken from citizens left and right. I wasn't trying to say you were a terrorist, BTW. But if you have friends who are(same as gang members) you may be found guilty by association, by which you should contact a proper lawyer and get it all fixed up. Many have died for our constitution, and that was in a different time. Now we have to find a way to figure out how we are going to get out of a mess that they put us in. Sadly I don't see it happening in this lifetime. And LEO is shorthand for Law Enforcement Officer. Aka the police ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 12 minutes ago

To die for our constitution is not in the past , but what we all must do every day if needed!

I'll put my life on the line any day of the week for our right to a trial because our constitution requires this for all !!

your statement : "Many have died for our constitution, and that was in a different time."

The same time is here with the same thoughts,whereas there are us that will to this day defend the constitution with our lives !

The original thread was ; Indefinite detention without a trial !!!

This is not legal as per the constitution ! ↥like ↧dislike reply edit delete permalink [-] ropeknot 1 points 3 hours ago

P.S. Are we at war ? ( civil )