Forum Post: Forgiving debt - an ancient tradtion
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 16, 2012, 5:30 p.m. EST by jinzhao
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Michael Hudson is a highly-regarded economist. He is a Distinguished Research Professor at the University of Missouri, Kansas City, who has advised the U.S., Canadian, Mexican and Latvian governments as well as the United Nations Institute for Training and Research. He is a former Wall Street economist at Chase Manhattan Bank who also helped establish the world’s first sovereign debt fund.
Hudson says that - in every country and throughout history - debt always grows exponentially, while the economy always grows as an S-curve.
Moreover, Hudson says that the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians knew that debts had to be periodically forgiven, because the amount of debts will always surpass the size of the real economy.
For example, Hudson noted in 2004:
Mesopotamian economic thought c. 2000 BC rested on a more realistic mathematical foundation than does today’s orthodoxy. At least the Babylonians appear to have recognized that over time the debt overhead became more and more intrusive as it tended to exceed the ability to pay, culminating in a concentration of property ownership in the hands of creditors.
Babylonians recognized that while debts grew exponentially, the rest of the economy (what today is called the “real” economy) grows less rapidly. Today’s economists have not come to terms with this problem with such clarity. Instead of a conceptual view that calls for a strong ruler or state to maintain equity and to restore economic balance when it is disturbed, today’s general equilibrium models reflect the play of supply and demand in debt-free economies that do not tend to polarize or to generate other structural problems.
- Would these theories apply, for example, to student loans today?
I believe sociologist David Graeber, one of the early founders of OWS, says something similar.
http://spiritofjubilee.com/videos/interview-with-david-graeber-author-on-debt-jubile
My old friend, good to see you.
Nice to see you, too.
I don't see it applying to student debt, unless you let the same people keep borrowing while in debt already. Average student debt is still low, only about $23,000 per graduate. The relative few students at the high end are unlikely to be forgiven. It might apply better to nations, where the borrowing doesn't stop.
Perhaps sub prime loans?
Those can be dismissed through bankruptcy which is a form of forgiveness I suppose. Personal debt doesn't often get as out of control as national debt, so in general I don't see anyone wanting to set the president. Start forgiving all personal loans and banks will back off from making them in the first place.
A Jubilee? It was very common and I posted a link somewhere in this place regarding this very topic.
its in the Bible
Actually, it predates the bible but yes it is in the bible.
I wish it was in my credit report :)
Yeah. :D
Good, I think they were done on a regular basis, right?
I believe it was done every seven years.
Hi, this is Jim in LA, good to see you again.
Likewise. Banned again, eh? Welcome back. Again.!
Mishram in Babylonia. Hell, for a more recent debt forgiveness look at Germany.
Tell us more about Mishram.
Misharum. I butchered it. Here, have a look see: http://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/HudsonLostTradition.pdf
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::::::::::::Endgame: When Debt Is Fraud, Debt Forgiveness Is The Last And Only Remedy::::::::::::
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-endgame-when-debt-fraud-debt-forgiveness-last-and-only-remedy
If there was some sort of fraud, yes.
Isn't most of it fraud these days?
lol, well it does appear that way doesn't it. Still... it must be identified.
Sub prime mortgages could be an example. Those people should not have been given loans.
Yep, but the education bubble hasn't quite popped yet. When it does, I think you will find many of the answers you are looking for, regarding that question of fraud, liar-loans or some equivalent thereof within the student loan programs. If there are rampant problems, that is when it will come out. When the bubble pops.
"Education is an emotional purchase for parents. It’s why they continue to buy at outrageous prices. In a rational market, no one spends $68k a year for two kids in college without realizing they are being fleeced." http://www.phillyburbs.com/blogs/news_columnists/jd_mullane/biden-bypasses-the-college-bubble/article_ecb2bf94-db65-57b5-bd47-e560faed5923.html
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