Forum Post: Force Small Stores to Show OWS Support in windows!
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 10:40 p.m. EST by OWSForObama
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Or Boycott and Protest.
We need to learn from the unions. If we want results, we need to use power!
Stop trolling . Your mom said it was time for dinner.
At 10:50?
Force..??? I thought this movement was non-violent..??
now i know you are a troll. prolly a republican, here to test how much we might fall this direction.
hard block. ows is not for obama, obama is a problem and the problem. we need a third party 99 percent party. not obama. obama is part of the problem. please do not post this bs, we do not want to hear any more about obama.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=obama+is+a+corporate+tool
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=270907&mesg_id=270907
http://www.blackcommentator.com/271/271_kir_obama_tool_us_imperialism_printer_friendly.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthTqvV0WrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCRnkamitVk&feature=related
obama is an oligarch. obama is 50 new nuclear plants. obama is a health care law built for the corporations and against the people. obama is denial of kyoto protocol. obama is two new wars. obama is Bush continuation. obama is corrupt. obama is ignorant. obama is the enemy of the people.
Third party is a really really bad idea.
What do you plan to take more than 50% of congress with this third party? Guess what you will fail 100% of the time.
Also nuclear power is much better than coal.
third party is really the only idea.
Is it realistic to take over half the seats of the House and Senate with a completely new party?
Of course not.
why would we fail 100 percent of the time? people make such statements with no supporting arguments, this is something you simply believe because the oligarchs have programmed you with it. there is no reason why we can't take every last seat in the upcoming elections.
nuclear is not cheaper nor better than coal, because the costs over the long term are being hidden in the cost/ benefit analysis.
you don;t have to babysit a coal mine for 10 thousand generations to make sure it doesn't kill off the planet.
Nuclear is cheaper when it comes to the environment. A coal fired plant releases far, far more radiation directly into the atmosphere than a nuclear plant does. You're much more likely to develop cancer living next to a coal plant than you are a nuclear plant.
Uranium mines are typically no more dangerous than coal mines because the radioactive materials are not concentrated in the ore. You can walk around the old mines now and take home radioactive ore because it's only radiating beta particles which aren't very strong.
The deaths caused in the operation of a nuclear plant and the mining of uranium are far lower than that of a coal plant. Coal is an extremely dangerous form of power.
Coal fired plants are also one of the largest contributors of greenhouse gases in the world.
sorry, no, nuclear is not cheaper when it comes to the environment unless assorted costs are discounted. obviously, a coal mine can be abandoned and forgotten, a nuclear power station produces wastes that will have to be babysat over geological time. so its not cheaper unless you lie with math.
Tell all of that BS to the miners who get radiation sickness in those mines.
the actual real argument is not between nuclear and coal, its between nuclear, coal, oil, propane, biofuels, VS green energy- cheifly geothermal. your trying to side track us. neither coal nor nuclear is useful, period, at all, any more, both are useless and are merely means to keep energy as a commodity instead of going cheaper and greener.
Death rates per twh generated:
Coal – world average 161 (26% of world energy, 50% of electricity)
Coal – China 278
Coal – USA 15
Oil 36 (36% of world energy)
Natural Gas 4 (21% of world energy)
Biofuel/Biomass 12
Peat 12
Solar (rooftop) 0.44 (less than 0.1% of world energy)
Wind 0.15 (less than 1% of world energy)
Hydro 0.10 (europe death rate, 2.2% of world energy)
Hydro - world including Banqiao) 1.4 (about 2500 TWh/yr and 171,000 Banqiao dead)
Nuclear 0.04 (5.9% of world energy)
Nuclear is the safest of the large output plants. You do know that coal is radioactive too right?
Until solar and other methods ramp up in production we will still need the heavy hitters and nuclear is by far the best choice.
death rates in measured time. again, since wastes won't stop being fatal for millions of years, its clear to see we can't really make any kind of meaningful comparison.
nuclear is not the safest of the large output plants, geothermal is, by a very wide margin.
your lying and BSing with propaganda garbage the industry created to prop itself up.
I guess you haven't heard that waste from a nuclear powered plant is both a) very small and b) damn near indestructible. On top of that, we could have a closed fuel cycle like France and use up virtually every bit of the fuel if it weren't for people fearing "the terrorists".
Geothermal is very good but it can't produce anywhere near the amount of electricity that nuclear can.
haha.
No, sorry, the question of yeild is yet another issue. in fact on the issue of yield, nuclear can't produce anywhere near the amount of energy geothermal can.
a safe nuclear pwoer station is limited in scalability to specific sizes. A nuclear power station is really just a complicated steam engine with turbines stacked on a tube one or two meters in diameter at the very largest.
generally speaking quite a bit smaller than that, half a meter or so. A geothermal power station can boil orders of magnitude more water and do that in a well as large as 100 meters in diameter.
Pathetic ignorant BSing; you have no clue what you are talking about. A single modern geothermal power station could produce the same output as all of the rest of the worlds energy resources combined.
try again. next time, check the facts first, and get your ducks in a row, because mine already are.
Ok link me to some data to back up this claim:
"A single modern geothermal power station could produce the same output as all of the rest of the worlds energy resources combined."
Because I'm lol'in here man.
no point. i just explained it to you and the fundamental physics of it is ABC simple. You can cook more water to steam in a geothermal power station. end of argument.
So what you're saying is you have nothing to back up your claim that geothermal could easily replace all power plants on Earth in a practical way and it's just being ignored by the energy industry for some reason.
You can't come in here with your fancy schmancy statistics, and common sense! In the future when OWS gets cold, they are going to warm up by burning the rich folks! Completely renewable, because there will always be someone better than them at something! Nuclear is the Devils fire! And destroying entire mountains and ecosystems is far better long term than guarding a 50 acre plot for hazmat. That's good prison land to round up all the successful folks and store them till theyre ready to cook!
It's amazing how much solid evidence and data people can just toss out the window in support of their own crazy theories isn't it?
Indeed. Feels like arguing with creationists.
Forget coal and nuclear. We need more hamster power!
"So what you're saying is you have nothing to back up your claim that geothermal could easily replace all power plants on Earth in a practical way and it's just being ignored by the energy industry for some reason."
no, what i am saying is the proofs are as simple as the question of how big you can build either system. a nuclear power station is limited in scalability and a geothermal power station is not. a tube with steam running through it half a meter in diameter can't compare to one thats 100 meters in diameter. if you can't SEE how that works, thats your problem for being a dense fool and an intentional idiot.
seriously no.
and "now i know you are a troll. prolly a republican, here to test how much we might fall this direction." mostly likely, but NEVER assume responsibility of an attack/troll without real intellegence.
That said, we need some real intelegence on proffesional trolls and agent provocauters. Otherwise we risk falling prey to stereotypes and all the same bullshit which leads to the failures which leads us to....here
Stop answering these ridiculous troll posts
Stupidest post yet!
We are the 99%. Our numbers are our strength. Our similiarities outweigh our differences. Small businesses are among the 99%. If Obama wants to divide the electorate, it is at his peril. We will not support that. We will grow.
I'd like to style your spiky hair TROLL.
that doesn't sound very peaceful
WTF? Are you kidding?
Small business is our only hope.
You need to wake up son.
Wolf! Wolf!
What is Wolf Wolf? I am just getting into this OWS stuff as an Obama fan so I don't know all of the lingo.
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Priceless
What does this have to do with moveon.org?
They back Obama, they've been trying to usurp the Occupy movement, and have been told, repeatedly and bluntly, to
FUCK OFF!!
Take the advice!
I have nothing to do with moveon! I am an OWSer that happens to live Obama. That a bad thing? Didn't think so!
And you show your support to that fuckin' sellout liar by trying to get the movement to murder small business?
I happen to work at one of those small businesses, asshole! Thank you for trying to desrtoy my job! FUCK OFF!! AND DON'T COME BACK!!
Sorry, we will not block business where 99ers work!
I know you're new.
What is Wolf Wolf.. Wait never mind.. I will google it.
Crying Wolf?
No.
googling (site:occupywallst.org/ "Wolf! Wolf!") only reveals this thread.
That's because I just made it up about 30 minutes ago but I knew the OWSers would know what it meant.
The only thing I can guess might be troll, but since I am not one, I gave up on that idea.
Oh ok! I can't resist! I'll tell you. :) It means wolf in sheep's clothing. An infiltrator who tries to make us look bad by pretending you're one of us and presenting some really rotten ideas in order to try to discredit the "movement".
Ohhhh hahahahahah good one! Nope not me..
That reminds me of a song by Garbage called Temptation Waits... I think I am going to listen to that.. thanks for getting it in my head..
Well, whether you're doing it intentionally or not doesn't really matter. Your gross mis-characterization (or mis-understanding, doesn't really matter which) of the intentions of OWSers accomplishes the same goal (unless we bring it out into the light of day).
I think the same thing can be accomplished by telling people to shop at stores displaying the OWS sign
That's called extortion. What is wrong with you people?
Oh right, kill small local business who are 99% and support their communities, so asshole corps like Wal-mart keep on abusing communities all over. Are you fuckin' insane?
Wait, don't answer that. Take your prozac instead and bugger off.
Yes, truly the 1%er's. Take down the small mom and pop stores JUST because they might not agree with your childish "movement". Good reference to the Unions btw.... that is exactly the thuggery they have used throughout their history yet we are told how good and noble those thugs are.
I don't agree with that idea and I do not believe it is representative of OWS. You are right to protect those small stores.
I would like to suggest that the union movement was born of desperation. The monied elite controlled the companies, and the local and national governments supported their brutal repression of unions. In my home area men, women, and children were killed by strike breakers. The strikers wanted safer conditions in the mines and one day off a week.
To think that civilized family men in Boston, who sat down to dinner each night with their wives and children and lived a cultured life, were paying goons to beat poor workers into submission, boggles the mind.
The government and law enforcement sided with the money against the people over and over again. Laws were broken on behalf of the wealthy. Civil rights were trampled. It is true.
I am not saying that you are wrong in your comment. I am saying there is another side to it. This is pertinent to the problems that confront us today. They demonstrate that the 1% is still dominating us.
Look around and see what is being done around the country. When the unions are gone, things will get worse.
Unions of long ago are FAR different from today and to say the conditions today are the same is disingenuous. At the same time, saying the consequences of NO unions would revert the labor environment to those days is also just wrong. This is why there is a continuing decline in unionized labor. If given a choice, I would most definitely choose non union (i am former teamster)
That's not what I said.
Are you aware that the GOP is running an organized program in many states around the country to break unions? Why do you think that is happening. Will it be better for you when they are all gone?
Are you familiar with wages in "right to work" states? How are jobs and benefits for labor in North Carolina? Wait until there is no such thing as a union.
Listen to Herman Cain talk about doing away with minimum wage while raising taxes on 84% of the people. No unions=no fight for minimum wage. That's only one aspect...
I'm not interested in forcing you to agree, but I am not being disingenuous either. Believe what you want. Freedom.
Yes, believe what you want... you just need to look at facts to back up your beliefs. Yes, it would be better for everyone if all unions were history. My state would NOT be bankrupt from the pensions reamed out of the people over the years. "Right to work" = CHOICE! Why do you think more people chose NO UNION. Everybody talks about FAIR taxation... why is it that means wealthier people get screwed even more than they are already yet the bottom half of the population don't have to pay anything... THAT IS FAIR? Ugh.
You guys are always hollering about how half the people don't pay taxes. Go ahead. Try to tax people that have no money. Brilliant!
(Many wealthy do not pay taxes either. President George H. W. Bush did not pay when he was in office. Why does Warren Buffet pay less than his secretary? Does goeib1 even notice? If he did, does he think that is right???)
Close the tax loopholes. The poor and middle class don't get to take them. Welfare for the wealthy. I get money back for my private jet and my 3 homes in the Hamptons...
End corporate welfare. Why should General Electric pay no taxes when even unemployment checks are being taxed!
I'm done answering this foolishness. I only do it so reasonable people can see how stupid and unfair your position is. You talk about the facts, but you don't know any, so you just rant your unfounded opinions.
I'm certain you'll never agree with me. You can't even get your subjects and verbs to agree.
I'm sure you have a big nasty answer, so here...talk to the hand.
Unions bring jobs to the U S of A!
Lol, noooo Unions keep jobs for themselves and push out any newcomers. Btw, Fuck Obama, that lying peice of shit was just as much a murdering pussy as Bush. He followed through with none of his promises!
Lol, if only
obviously.... doin a damn good job of it right now.
Yeah-FORCE always makes observers favor you over the victims of that force.
Nothing says openminded, peaceful, compassionate group more than "SUPPORT US OR GO OUT OF BUSINESS".
Brilliant.
Well Union Tactics Work!