Forum Post: For the first time, I am ashamed to have been a part of this movement.
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 9, 2011, 8:57 p.m. EST by OQPi
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I have fought. Hard. I have worked tireless hours, and educated people on the movement, and vowed to defend OWS to the grave if necessary. I have put everything on the line for the idea of democracy, respect, the Constitution, free speech, peace, protest, and another world that I dreamed was possible.
However, the longer I am involved, the more disgusted I become. When it was violence, I was able to argue that they were a small faction, when it was that there was no real message, I was able to convince people to give it a minute since the movement was in its infancy. I helped form working groups, and ideas, and became an educated voice for the media. I have given my all. But for what?
For the same sort of elitist bullshit that the 1% has. Censorship. Dictatorship. Hate. Violence. Corruption. It is ridiculous.
I am not a supporter of RonPaul. I cannot support someone who would remove the Civil Rights Act, and public school funding. However, I also cannot support OWS, if they censor people who DO like RonPaul if they type his name correctly (Ron Lawl). This is outrageous, and is the beginning of the end of this movement.
Even though I'm sure this will be censored too, know that you creating your own destruction.
please don't give up
That you for the first sensible comment on this post. I am frustrated, but I'll live.
From the forum rules:
"We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. "
I agree with OWS.
Me too.
But when I type Barack Obama, Mit Romney, Ralph Nader, Ron Lawl.. the only one that get's changed is RonPaul. I am not even a supporter, but this is insane.
It doesn't matter that it is their 'rules' the rules are corrupt. That is the point of protest, right? To protest corrupt rules?
"The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand."
So the mods responded with humor, which drove a few Ron Lawl fanboys into a frenzy. No sense of humor? For a really good laugh, read Ron Lawl's positions on the issues.
I agree that it is funny, but I just don't understand if they are apolitical, why they are being very political by doing something like this.
The Ron Troll crowd spammed the forums like crazy - and continue to do so, against the clearly stated rules. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
"For a really good laugh, read Ron Lawl's positions on the issues."
+1 internets.
Lawn Roll 2102!
They are trying to stay apolitical... you cant do that when your entire board is filled with RonPaul posts, so to discourage it they changed the name.... start posting an obscene amount about the other candidates and watch it happen. There is a difference between mentioning a candidate and a mass explosion of his ideas on the forum.
IMO it was a much better decision to change the name, rather than down right delete all the posts.
It's because Paul nuts relentlessly spammed the forum with Ron_Paul crap. Nothing political, they just made a nusaince of themselves. Simple.
You sir, are "Captain Obvious" for your highly accurate, though less than astute assertions.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. July 4, 1776.
moon phase tonight? 99% and waning, literally. OWS needs to be occupied before it's too late
You wouldn't be saying that if you really aren't a supporter of bat shit crazy Ron P. It appears the OWS movement wants to move on & has grown tired (like all of us) from all the Ron P trolls trying to convince us all to think like them & become Libertarians! I call BS on all you Pauly's! Its time to MOVE the f-ON!
Can you read? I am not a RonPaul supporter or a troll. I am a facilitator in my local Occupation.
What's in a name? We all know who RonPaul is. Do you really NEED that extra space to make your point ? I think they're baiting you, and you're making too much of it.
It's not a libertarian vs. progressive movement. It's a working class vs. upper class movement. Just as the tea party Knows The RNC doesn't effectively represent their values; the OWS knows that the DNC will not effectively represent their values. Just because this movement is not largely comprised of people who agree with your ideals doesn't mean that we don't have some common ground.
The only ideals that you have any clue about (the only one I made apparent in this post) is that I believe in Free Speech. This movement 'not being largely comprised of people who agree' with that ideal is a problem.
Your free to say what you want and and we are all free to say whether we agree or disagree with you.
You don't agree with the freedom of speech?
If people want to talk bad about Ron Lawl they have the freedom to do so.
The reason for the Ron Paul censorship is because during the first two weeks of this website being up every two or three posts was a 'Vote for Ron Paul' post. At the risk of appearing to endorse him, they had to censor him. That's why no other politicians have been censored.
But the person who I was responding to 'OWSNewPartyTakeNY2012 ' said that freedom of speech was an ideal that he did not share. I consider that a major line in the sand.
I think it's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of OWS supporters believe in freedom of speech but I can understand where the moderators are coming from. Many others have also questioned the RP censorship. That said I think it would be sad to have people leave such a potentially important movement for something relatively minor. It's just an internet forum after all.
It is the symbolism.
Sadly, true. But I still think it's a shame that people would leave the movement for something I feel is pretty minor. Aren't the bigger issues, government corruption and the like, important enough to overlook such things?
I guess what frustrates me is the fact that corruption is even happening from within. It's just a bummer.
However, I will continue to fight. Even if it means that I must fight the corruption on the inside as well.
Glad to hear it. It's going to be a long hard battle. We 'ain't seen nuthin' yet.' The faint of heart need not apply. And we need as many like-minded people as we can get. They have the money and the power. The least we will need are the numbers.
R.P. is a quack. If all 50 states could just do their own thing it would be Chaos. With no uniformity in rules and regulations it would very difficult to do business in the US on a national scale. What would create jobs would be all the people needed to keep 50 separate government entities happy. Imagine
baa - ron laul isn't even a credible candidate for president. His die hard supporters are all nuts and represent far less than the 5 % of the electorate that writes him in.
He wants to abolish FEMA!
You just want the ability to spam on his behalf. That's alright, you still can, and in fact, you just did. You should feel happy.
You have got to be kidding me. I am a facilitator of my local Occupation. I am NOT a RonPaul supporter. This is insane.
Really? Well how would I know?
It just seems to me that as a facilitator you would appreciate the problems facilitators are apt to encounter, spamming by ron LAUL supporters being one of them. If you check, I'm sure you will be able to establish rather quickly that his grassroots supporters are just a few poles shy of a teepee.
AND he is still a REPELICAN.
We absolutely have RonPaul spammers. I get it. But we haven't censored our spammers or trolls out of respect for free speech. Minus one- there was a fake Facebook account who was lying to people and saying that our camp moved, and all sorts of things.. he got waaaayyy out of hand with confusing new people, and so I blocked him.
But we have a few resident RonPaul psychos who litter every post with RonPaul info, but oh well. He's allowed to say what he wants, you know?
Ron Laul.
It's satire, get over it.
FEMA - The Secret Government. It's not your friend. To much to list so please read the web page, I believe you will be a different person, there is more under the surface that is brewing as we speak.
http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html
You are a bigger idiot than your post suggests if you think Dr. Ron Lawl (Ron Lawl, Lon Rawl, etc) is going to remove the Civil Rights Act.
You know what? Fuck you. I am so freaking tired of people on here being complete and total assholes. Be human. Treat people nicely. It is not that hard!
Ron Paul, not Ron Lawl.
I was already told the secret to writing Ron PauI. But that doesn't erase the Ron Lawl censorship.
I'm protesting to the admins. Let's shout together - "Ron Paul, not Ron Lawl!"
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Remember me ass hole.
Old hippie fuck I need your help. Need help making a t-shirt. We need to draw a picture of Zooccotti Park with a cage around it. Here are some ideas: Draw a hippie climbing the cage like a monkey and throwing shit. Draw a hippie rolling in mud and shit like a pig. Draw a hippies fucking like dogs. Draw a picture of a hippie eating peanuts like a big fucking elephant. Draw a hippie as a lazy fucking Ape doing nothing.
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Censorship here? Never!
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Please include me.
Uhm.. MikeyD you are a troll..
Ron PauI is americas only hope!!!
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Ron PauI has never said he would "remove the Civil Rights Act, and public school funding"
Yes he would. He wants to eliminate all Federal Laws, and let states vote for them on their own, and Rand Paul says that a good start would be the Civil Rights Act. Well, I live in the south, and that is a really stupid idea.
Yes huh is not a very good response, all you said is a broad incorrect statement with out any proof. "Rand Paul says that a good start would be the Civil Rights Act" That is his son first off, second only stated the cra is a good start.
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-rights-act/
All Ron PauI is saying is you cant legislate peace in our hearts
Why can you type RonPaul without it turning into Ron Lawl?
use an upper case i
That's pretty damn smart. lol
Okay, let's break this down into idiot terms.. The Civil Rights Act, Roe vs Wade, Schools, etc. are all Federal Laws. Ron Lawl wants to take ALL of the power away from the Federal government, and let the states revote and decide their own things. That would mean that since it was not protected by the Federal Laws, then they could vote no and abolish those things.
Letting states have power is not repealing all federal laws, please do some research before you make assumptions
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-rights-act/
I'm sorry you don't have any faith in democracy
I think that lynch mobs prove that democracy cannot be used for anything that involves war, murder, peace, violence, health, or the welfare of people. I think that equality and peace should be mandatory rules, and all else can be voted on- but not a person's worth or rights.
I live in the south, and I can promise you that if slavery were up for a revote, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama would revert 150 years overnight.
the constitution protects everyone!
But obviously that hasn't always worked very well, huh? A lot of people are violent, corrupt, hateful, and murderous. We need laws that clearly and obviously outlaw ALL inequality- racism, sexism, classism, homophobia. Otherwise, we find ourselves with Lynch Mobs and the KKK and Fred Phelps.
we have laws
thats why we live in a Republic, we do not need a civil rights bill to give everyone basic human rights. That is absurd
Canadians have an odd sense of humor, but they make excellent puppeteers.
Puppeteers for whom?
The Canadian puppet show.
indeed. lol
:) indeed
Never again will you fall victim to liberal tactics.
Liberal tactics?
Yes young jedi. You are beginning to see. There will always be those to "rise to power" over others, and the smaller the group is-the more crushing the oppression is. (less backs to distribute it onto).
What has been brewing underneath OWS from the moment it began is not a powerful wave of freedom loving, patriotic, utopian desire...it is a powerful wave of corruption and control and iron-fisted vengence that wants only for OWS to "take down" the existing structure so it can rise to the top in it's place. And the nightmare involved in that process will most likely take you to your grave.
yeah-ya. Iron fisted vengeance. That's it.
Only if I take over.
Cuz I WILL have a PURGE, one to make Stalin pale in comparison . . .
"oh how I abhor
the hordes of lying whores
who prowl the people's halls of power
bearing gifts in the name of PROFIT."
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What? You are either joking or insane.
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Yes, I would absolutely believe that you are insane.
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I use that term. I don't care if there is a more PC way to say that someone is completely and totally out of their mind.
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I literally have no idea what the hell you are talking about. My motive is that it is not okay to censor people! Give me a break! I am sitting here with my baby in my lap, pissed off. You think I'm some sort of machine? That is called delusional disorder.
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I am completely unsure what the hell you are talking about. Are you some troll trying to discredit OWS or something?