Forum Post: Flag/Color for the Movement
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 13, 2011, 12:38 a.m. EST by NuclearRadio
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I would like to propose a black/white flag with a black field crossing the diagonal of the flag, black on bottom, white on top. Black for determination to win, and our heritage as Americans. White for purity, honesty, and openness.
Orange = democracy
Orange was already co-opted in Denmark, I think. Maybe include orange in the flag? I am posting a draft of the symbol we're working on . It will have the tag ###FLAG###
I think a "#" inside of an "O" would be clear.
How about an image of an American flag, but in the form of a clenched fist? You would see part of a forearm, a wrist, and a fist - as if some one were clenching a fist and holding it high in the air above them. The blue field with its white stars along with the white and red stripes would all be woven into this form. This conveys our commitment to our democracy while conveying our defiance of the powers that be and or determination to stand up for true freedom and justice.
That is interesting.
Anyone familiar with the anti-fascist circle? Three arrows pointing down and left? It was used in Germany and I believe that each arrow was symbolically pointed at the enemies of freedom; Hitler, Stalin, and the old monarchies
That's a GOOD one. Check out my coming post.###FLAG###
Can't wait. Symbolism is too powerful to ignore
Please participate if/when you see the post!
Green just a green flag that will really piss them off
I thought of that except Green is a standard color for Islamic resistance movements. I did think of a flat green flag, though. It would say a lot.
I was thinking of throwing in some purple somewhere in this flag. Representing the red, white, and blue combined into one color.
Rainbow would be nice.
Rainbow is already the flag of the LGBT movement.
I had the idea of a purple phoenix or something too...symbolically, though, purple is the color of established royalty.
Even better! The people SHOULD be the royalty here. The government should be there to serve US! Not themselves or corporations!
Stay away from Black. Also Red if possible (subliminal radical message for those who oppose us). Consult with artists and desigbers and those who know colors well. Green, Blue, White are safe. Could use red, white & blue in updated version of American Flag. I was a publisher and consulted with designers and artists on colors often. Take your time and do it right.
Black is a common color for rebellion against oppression. I think its the right color for the time. Red is pretty inflammatory. I like OpenSky's flag as a redux of Old Glory, but I don't really think that type of flag is symbolic of a "movement". If I was going to do Open Sky's flag, it would just be a black phoenix on a red background.
Sorry, Black is unappealing for a number of reasons. Again, I am saying this with experience on this stuff. Too dark, reminiscent of anarchists, and we want a positive, uplifting message. I get what you are saying and all, but objectively, remember, you are trying to appeal to a wide spectrum of people. Some of us might be for rebellion but most just want reform. Think this through. You have to step back and reflect about the Image you are projecting. If you are trying to reach 99%, Black won't cut it.
Red Phoenix ascending on a white background?
No, red associated with Communists. I know this sounds silly but this is how many react. That's why I say stay away from Red, Black. Yellow is associated with being scared.
this is a rough design i've made of the proposed phoenix http://www.flickr.com/photos/68661603@N08/6240108374/
very thoughtful. I like it.
Not a bad start (the Phoenix Flag) but needs more hipness or color. Some small stars in the phoenix might be nice. Don't know if you are an artist. But I would take the idea to an artist or designer (you must have a bunch amongst you) and get their input. Come up with several designs, then vote. Phoenix might look like a Peace Dove, so give this careful consideration as the Peace Symbol is strongly associated with Hippies and Antiwar protests. I don't have problem with it, just saying. Careful consideration is needed here.
I agree with Dost. The phoenix needs to look more phoenix-y but still graphical.
like http://www.flickr.com/photos/dryicons/3079808512/
but simpler.
It's not bad!
but the blue tits should be rounder ;-)
But we don't really need neither leader nor a flag. We need to be like AL-Qaeda. All of US Army can't beat them, because they have no leader. We need cells that are bound by ideology, or clear goals, as I propose at http://superunion.org
I am working on a position paper that discusses how to organize such a structure, and I completely agree. However a flag would definitely provide a way to represent ourselves clearly to those that wish to join us.
If anything, we just need a general recognizable symbol, say, upward arrow, or something, that people will know is the symbol. And wherever you put it - flag or flyer - and in any color, it will work. The thing is I'm not sure such a symbol can be designed, or it must grow organically.
I like an upward arrow too.
I've seen such a symbol that I love grow organically out of the movement. There's a picture of an anonymous member holding a sign saying "Class War Ahead!". The symbol shows a circle with a financial tick chart line going through it so it looks like a lightning bolt through a hoop. It's awesome.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=class+warfare+ahead&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1299&bih=738&tbm=isch&tbnid=Mmjtmk72GOyI6M:&imgrefurl=http://conservativeoutcry.net/content/occupy-wall-streetsimilar-tea-party-movement&docid=1R3st6qgU3vBcM&imgurl=http://conservativeoutcry.net/sites/default/files/Class-War-Ahead.jpg&w=150&h=150&ei=xJ2YTrS9H8n5sQKU8YCwBA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=470&sig=107499776004692527304&page=1&tbnh=120&tbnw=120&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=75&ty=61
Super! I think that's exactly that.
http://conservativeoutcry.net/sites/default/files/Class-War-Ahead.jpg
I'll make a vector a bit later.
Awesome! Thank you! Dost suggests red and white for the colors.
Happy to help! So, I can make a few different formats, like large, transparent, small, scallable. Let me know what you need: admin@superunion.org
I also made a forum board, in case this one gets overwhelmed or smth: http://ows.superunion.org
Good morning! Look what I came up with: https://plus.google.com/u/0/100532098003679342125/posts
I think it's good cause can be any size or length, says OW, is based on that organic symbol, illustrates occupation of Wall Street, and puts a stop to corporate greed.
What do you think?
I like the upgraded one! I want to bump the current flag post and get people talking about the flag. We need input and interest of the community. Thanks for your work!
Hey, sorry for the delay. Unless you need it today, do you mind if I make it up tomorrow morning? It'll be better quality.
Btw, I agree that placing the symbol off centre is better. We should aim for higher impact, and more than ordinary design value, if the world's gonna see it.
PS there' no link to respond to your previous message below.
have a look. I'll be back in an hour or so. I'll make whatever changes and different formats.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/100532098003679342125/albums/5663467092598832625/5663467093154617090
I think the graphic is perfect. Maybe dead center in a white field? Make the flag proportions the same as the U.S.Flag, with the graphic width about 1/3 the width of the flag?
Sounds good.
make sure white doesn't touch the border, cause that's ambiguous when on white background - you either don't see part of the flag or need a border around it. See flag of Russia.
Anything that doesn't have a fist in it. Socialists are welcome, but co-opting is co-opting, whether it's from the left or right.
Right, no fists. No co-opting, I agree.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9NQ6zsTWrkMry88KYa-_DA?feat=directlink
to make it honest, I might make the right star gold and the left star red, but it is a tad tongue in cheek no?
Uh, ok. So...tactful, tasteful, but a bit comically tongue in cheek, no?
Black and white is good, but the entire ROY G BIV spectrum of light should be covered, such as the flag at: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
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i've proposed a white phoenix being reborn from the black ashes of corruption
I can imagine that flag. I like it.
"The black ashes of corruption" huh? With the white rising above. Doesn't that kind of have racist connotations? ; )
I'm kidding, but I can just about guarantee that some overly sensitive person somewhere (likely white) will make that claim.
oh come on. black has been the symbol of darkness for centuries. there's always gonna be sensitive people lol. we have to move away from that
Pretty good, I was trying to stay simple.
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Woah. Your symbolism is quite brash... Lawl. I was trying to be more general and subtle...ROFL.
Red with a white circle and the black fist in the center = so we can all know you guys are commie statists that we don't want anything to do with.
i think if you had the intellectual capacity or heart to learn anything about this movement or read anything on this thread, i might value your input.
Ha! You're being naive if you think there isn't a puppeteer pulling your strings. Love you guys but a lot of this is pavlovian. Problem, reaction, solution. When dictatorship comes to America the people will usher it in. They will demand it!
That's right. It was called George Bush!
Open a history book, child.
Turn off FOX News and Rush Limbaugh, chump.
I'm a liberal dipshit
There's a saying I like, often spoken in both New York and Oakland:
"Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash."
If you have nothing else to add other than trite derision, cheesy insults and unfounded conspiracy theories, go somewhere else to peddle your problems.
We already have a flag. You can see it in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpo7NuZ3AH8
...That's the communist flag and represents a dead political ideology IMHO. I don't think that it addresses the global nature or demographic of this movement. Some people in OWS may be communists, however I, and most people I know, disagree with the economic principle of state ownership of all property and wish people to be rewarded for their hard work. As far as I can tell, OWS is not against capitalism as a principle, but the implementation of corporate capitalism as a practice in this country.