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Forum Post: Final Solution

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 4:52 a.m. EST by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC
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How do we bring fairness into our political system so that government is no longer the shadow cast by business in America, which is the bases for many of our current and past problems. Here are my two proposals....

1) Electoral Reform: Meaning the reduction of the roll money plays in all electoral positions of the United States. This includes congressional, mayoral, gubernatorial, and presidential elections.

2) Term Limits: All ballot-box public office positions must have term limits. Just like the president all other elected officials must leave office after a certain time. Incumbent career politicians created a fossilized system that is resistant to necessary change. We don't need dinosaur senators with same old tired tactics running the show anymore.

What's the best way to introduce these changes?

These changes must be incorporated into the constitution through amendments. Times have changed and our constitution needs to keep pace with current realities. Such an amendment will enshrine these necessary changes into the law of the land and will make all parties abide by them equally.

But, we don't have necessary votes in congress for these reforms to come to fruition?

It is true that our elected officials will never vote to limit their reign in power. That would be political suicide and these guys in congress have such a good life in congress they won't legislate to limit the fun times. Furthermore interest groups with big money won't allow meaningful campaign reform, as this would undoubtedly hamper "business as usual" for them. This is exactly the reason the people must continue to demand reform by marching, petitioning, and civil disobedience. We should take some lessons form the civil rights movement here. During the civil rights the plight of black people in the south was not on the radar of congress. Civil rights had no significant congressional allies until the movement was slowly able to put pressure on elected officials to act, including the president. If mass demonstrations and protests become large enough then there is no doubt politicians will pay attention. Furthermore our actions should directly threaten the seats of elected officials unwilling to deliver such reforms. This will cause a tremendous divide between those ready for change and those in the reactionary camp. Here is the best part; such a popular movement would cause the big dogs in campaign finance to reveal themselves. We can separate the chaff from the wheat, so to speak. This gives our movement more momentum. The Civil Rights Movement took more or less 10 years to accomplish in the United States. It was a long and hard struggle, but the results have changed our nation for the better. It was also a struggle seemingly impossible from the start, yet hope finally overcame despair. It was unacceptable to many elected officials of the time, but they were eventually overcome. This proposal for electoral reform will cause the same uproar from those unwilling to move forward, nevertheless, I know most Americans will support it. It is what we need in this country to guard against the "legal corruption" that has allowed corporations and financial institutions to dominate our political system, which in turn has allowed them to run wild. I know OWS doesn't want to make any demands at this point,which for the time being is good, but please be aware, if in the future, demands are to be made by us, this one should be on top of the list.

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[-] 1 points by doru001 (174) 13 years ago

Go further:

Detailed real time control of the government by citizens.

  1. We should have detailed up to date information on our governments' and on corporations' decisions and activities.
  2. We should have the power to take or influence decisions of our government through real time voting or polls.

We should apply this rule to our movement first: all discussions which decide the future of our movement must be posted on YouTube.

Power must be shared.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

btw Friday shall be the day of solidarity and the 15th of October should be the day of global action.

[-] 1 points by malikov (443) from Pasadena, CA 13 years ago

Here's the Constitution (with discussion): http://lawdelta.org

Way to build up democratic power: http://occupywallst.org/forum/world-wide-organization/

Off-topic: the term "final solution" brings up bad associations. I expected a completely different text here.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

I know "Final Solution" brings the association with the holocaust. Sorry about that. I want you to know I oppose everything about the NAZI party. I just wanted the title Final Solution in order to attract more readers to it and perhaps get more discussion going. It looks like it's working.

[-] 1 points by malikov (443) from Pasadena, CA 13 years ago

I was sure it was a nasty post, clicked, and as I started reading it was clear it had nothing to do with that other meaning. I guess your device worked ;-)

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

hehe. Don't worry, I'm not one of those A holes who would post some antisemitic junk. It's good to see those guys dissipating though. They were annoying...

[-] 1 points by malikov (443) from Pasadena, CA 13 years ago

Seems they are trying "union" keywords now.

Btw, yes, it may take years to achieve any of the goals.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

No prob...I know Americans are so impatient these days, but we need to take a look at our history and see how long it took to achieve the rights we cherish today....No meaningful reform is going to be easy, but I think circumstances are now ripe to tackle the electoral system, which is heavily rigged in favor of big money contributors.

[-] 1 points by malikov (443) from Pasadena, CA 13 years ago

I am afraid OWS is not gaining support fast enough. In my opinion much more people is needed to really shift the balance.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

There is one proposal to galvanize OWS. It was propose by some guy on this forum. He said we should have a one day a week day of solidarity, whereby local people from all sectors of society join the occupy movement in the squares in support. This, according to him, is one of the reasons the Egyptian revolution was such a success. People would congregate every Friday after prayers and this momentum allowed the struggle to survive as long as it did and it also increased the number of participants. Here in the U.S we nee to set a day where once a week people from the local community come to the square and march in solidarity. I suggested we make Friday the day of solidarity and maybe add the 15th of each month as a global day of action. This should be continued.

[-] 1 points by malikov (443) from Pasadena, CA 13 years ago

Oh, that's good. That cultivates political culture.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

I'm hoping it's going to circulate enough times to get more people to talk about it.

[-] 1 points by monahan (272) 13 years ago

Take the money out

[-] 1 points by mikepeinovich (6) 13 years ago

My suggestion is that you stop looking to the government as a group of people that you can control and that will act in your interest. Even if you could control them or take them over, if you did then you would just be the new bad guy. What right do you have to impose your agenda on others by force?

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

Nothing is done by force here. Instead what we are talking about it consensus and popular struggle. Hey, during the Civil Rights movement many racists in the south were forced to accept the new agenda in town, yet you don't think of this as forcing your will on others do you??? Exactly, It's the same thing here. If the vast majority of the American people like it and if they feel it's going to make us a better country then the recalcitrant few must accept or they must share the fate of racists in the old south.

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

Please leave comments and suggestions

[-] 0 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

your title makes me think of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

[-] 1 points by abmebratu (349) from Washington, DC 13 years ago

lol