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It was a provocative piece from 'The Atlantic', entitled ''The Surveillance State Puts U.S. Elections at Risk of Manipulation'', which certainly succeeded in provoking you and from which I quote :

''If you were running for president, or senator, even today, (you) might you think twice about mentioning even an opinion as establishment friendly as, "Hey, I'm all for NSA surveillance, but I don't trust a private contractor like Booz Allen Hamilton to do it"? Maybe safeguards put in place since the first Snowden leak would prevent a Bizarro Edward Snowden with strong Booz loyalties from targeting you. Maybe. Why risk it?

''In yet another scenario, the NSA wouldn't go so far as to use information obtained through surveillance to affect an election. But they'd use it to their advantage to thwart the reform agenda of the candidate they didn't like if he or she won.

''And maybe the NSA would be as horrified by this sort of thing as I am. But maybe one of their contractors is on the payroll of a foreign government (My Edit : Or Private Corporation !!), and they want to impact a presidential election by exploiting the unprecedented amounts of data that the surveillance state has collected and stored on almost everyone.

''American democracy could be subverted in all sorts of hypothetical ways. Why worry about this one in particular? Here's the general standard I'd submit as the one that should govern our thinking: if a powerful institutional actor within government has a strong incentive to do something bad, the means to do it, and a high likelihood of being able to do it without getting caught, it will be done eventually.''

So keep your knickers on and hold your ''fuk yous'' and I'll consider myself suitably chastised and think twice before engaging your grumpy ass again any time soon but I will still recommend the video on this link to you - tho' you are not obliged to comment nor to get curmudgeonly & thanx for your link too, lol :

http://occupywallst.org/forum/solving-all-the-worlds-problems-in-a-garden/#comment-1011704 ..
& fyi : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36797.htm but don't pop a gasket now !!!

vale ...

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[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

''Why would any conservative be persuaded to actually do something about the only technique with proven results in so far as furthering the conservative agenda is concerned? Cheating is of course, the only method that can guarantee results.

''As such, they know they must cheat if they are to win. They must appeal to the base nature of humanity - greed, lust, envy - and where these fail they must depend on fear, on blackmail, and on murder. They depend on these things because their principle idea, of institutionalized disparity, can be sold by no other means.''

Right and don't forget Paul Weyrich but I advocate a more real and representative democracy reclaimed from Corporate Controlled Duopoly and for Publicly Owned Banks understanding banking as a modern, public utility. I will take a publicly accountable monopoly by dint of ownership by The Democratic State over Private Cartels engaging in usury and extraction any day.

So, it was well worth my posting that piece from yes, a conservative perspective (Hello! It was from 'The Atlantic' ffs, lol) and given your confession about a certain lean in that direction - I thought that you'd get it more readily than you did. However, a purpose was served and this good thread bumped.

I will refer you to my other links immediately above and at the end of my previous reply to you and anyway ... wasn't I supposed to be cultivating an affectation of a giant sulky huff with you ?! So bah humbug, lol !!

Finally Zendude - 'Repelicans'' are beyond the pale but a corporate controlled and bankster bank-rolled Democratic Party Machine is a HUGE fail & so a Labor Based, Third Party & Independents of The 99% is what y'all desperately need !!!

beaucoup de pfffffffft ici aussi ...

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[-] 4 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

can't silence messages by assassination anymore

but you can't teach the old guard new tricks

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