Egypt Rising Against Military Rule. Security Forces Descend on Tahrir Square
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 20, 2011, 12:04 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt
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We're all pretty much screwed in the future if people don't open there eyes today. We better all get use to being oppressed because there are to many people who still believe everything the government and media tell them.
The US gives Egypt $2 Billion/year and weapons, to make sure that government is friendly to Israel. And gives $3 Billion/year to Israel to help kill/remove the Palestinians from their land. Egyptians will only be free when the American people take care of their own corrupted government.
Egyptian political activist Ahmed Salah talks about their regime and support from the west. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0x60AO4To
Check out the flags flown by CSI Headquarters in Jamestown Pennsylvania:
http://adalahny.org/press-releases-other/1-21-11-update-tear-gas-death-triggers-mobilization-against-israel-s-lethal-tear-gas
I hope change comes soon and all these evil people in power oppressing the world get whats coming to them we need to cut off the head of the snake and by head of the snake I mean rebuild government from scratch and take money out of it completely. If you get into government there should be no pay check or very little these people should have to work a day job to keep them in touch with the common person. We should worry about our own country and let the rest of the countries worry about there own country. there should be no supporting governments around the world let alone having troops every where. The only business we should have with foreign countries is in a trade sense and we had better get serious about all of this soon because this corruption in the power seats of our planet is going to destroy us all!!!
excellent! spot on understanding of the international fascist ENEMY we all face! it is OUR COMMUNITY v their psychopathic society. we need mental health experts in dealing with psychopaths. i know they can be pushed into a psychopathic breakdown and start fighting each other. start with Lt JOHN PIKE and get at his family, friends and neighbours to realise our children are not safe with him on the stree. SOLIDARITY WITH EGYPTIANS my heart bleeds for the suffering they are going through and for for all of us under the great beast of babylon, the Whore of Babylon the queen of england and gw bush's cousin who is the enemy we must bring down!
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Ridiculous. Egypt receives more than $2 Billion. Israel needs $2 to get rid of Palestinians so the money is not the issue. American corruption and Egyptian corruption are opposite ends of the spectrum. Egypt will kill the Christians off soon then attack Israel, soon. The Islamists are taking over. Look closely...Iran 79'.
u need to either read more or just open your heart and clean it because what you are saying is just lies , am an egyptian by the way
I was just observing and commenting. Only an opinion. Good luck with elections Sayed. And I mean that.
Your right. War is looming in the ME.
you are right. I work on a drilling rig in the Rockey Mt and the fox rednecks I work with are the ones that just had Obama and love Bush. They don't walk upright yet.
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for those who missed it, here´s Chomsky at Occupy Boston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbNT62aprM (q&a at 28min)
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I have seen your work on the web and am 100% in agreement. I think Noam Chomsky is a wise strong voice for what we need and you articulate those same views. We need to " Crown her good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea". We also need to put the blindfold back on Mother Justice so Congress makes it laws without a view to a special group but makes the laws because they give liberty and justice for all in every station. The Crown of Brotherhood and the Blindfold of Mother Justice are being kicked around on the floor of the Wall Street Stock Exchange. They must be put back in their proper place so that America will be Good and Just as well as Free.
Noam Chomsky is a fool, and needs to stick to linguistics because he has no idea WTF he's talking about.
And you don´t present any arguments to back your claims ,of course.
I don't need to...
He kinda speaks for himself.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." ( Abraham Lincoln )
Keep on fightin` occupy EVERYWHERE:)
People were wondering why the poor weren't showing up to support the local Occupy protesters. So I asked a homeless man to explain to me why he hadn't been there. His answer will break your heart.
Read "Preoccupied in Hell" at www.josephcouture.com
RE Preoccupied. Thanks I will never look at a Homeless person the same way again.
That is one hell of a glimpse into the bleakness of humanity. What an entry.
we are reclaiming our humanity, OUR COMMUNITY against this psychopathic society. life is lived by changing places. thank you for the truth of the heart. what comes from the heart reaches the heart. my heart bleeds for all of us!
Over the entire world people are rising up against tyranny and concentration of wealth and power. It´s just amazing to see the engagement and activism, from Egypt, Libya, Greece, to the amazing Occupy Movement in the US (now spreading all over the world)
Really exciting times
Please read my article The Society We Should Strive For where I share my thoughts on what society we ought to work for, and ”The Transition Phase: The Road To Freedom” where I explain how we can get there.
"In this possibly terminal phase of human existence, democracy and freedom are more than just ideals to be valued - they may be essential to survival." -Noam Chomsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YftlB3AxBws
Also, for those who missed it, here´s Chomsky at Occupy Boston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZbNT62aprM (q&a at 28min)
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So TRUE!
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Courage in love and war. Read how the Occupy London group fell into the chaos, internal squabbling and fearful retreat that was ultimately the reason they were the first to be swept away and silenced in Canada.
www.josephcouture.com "How to Blow A Revolution: The London Model"
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You are basing this statement on a story from the media?
No I base that on a culmination of all the things I have seen, herd, read and experienced. you don't have to go far to hear someone call down occupy or any other movement that goes against the media bias or government corruption calling us all a bunch of conspiracy theorist or even worse and more degrading "dirty hippies". This are the sheep we all really have to worry about, the ones that don't educate themselves and take everything they hear at face value instead of looking into it.
Yeah, even my friend Ray knows that you add a little common sense to the stew. My friend is from a ranching family and just knows that in rattlesnake country you look at least a while before you take a Pi behind the tree. Ray IS looking into it and in the meantime you are calling him a "sheep" Ranchers have a real adversion to anything having to do with sheep, much less being called one. It kinda seems to Ray that you are hankering for a good range war here. AND - you may get one whether you want it or not if you keep shutting your eyes and Pi_ on Ray.
After putting some thought into it I understand what you were saying. I don't think its a bad thing to take time to find out where the snakes lie and I'm sorry if you thought my comment was directed towards that.
I'm not pissin on anybody if Ray is looking into it all the power to him but it seems to me that your just looking for confrontation which your not gonna find here. I'm not looking for a pissing match and I don't think the people that want true change are either. They know how to deal with violence they don't know how to deal with peace and the more they try and answer peace with violence the stronger this movement will grow.
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The point I was making is that I am sure all of the things you have "seen, herd, read and experienced" regarding foreign protests were presented to you by the same media that you are telling people gives false information.
I'm talking about here not a foreign country we pay and try and exert our force over them
thanks for clarifying. The article you commented on was about Egypt, so I hope you can see my confusion.
ya I understand I should have clarified
I suggest everyone arm and organize, like the revolutionary army in the 1700s
scary thought
Yes scary but not impossible
oh I'm aware
if we do arm and kill them, we would be what they are...I don't ows is about that.
No, that´s not the right way to do it. Read my suggestive strategies and tactics here: http://struggleforfreedom.blogg.no/1321101669_the_transition_phase_.html
Okkk, well see how it plays out
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People might not know this, but Egyptians marched in solidarity with Occupy America a month or so ago to the American embassy in Cairo. They also did the same to support worker's rights when the whole Wisconsin thing was going on earlier in the year. Egypt has a consulate in New York City. I think as an upcoming direct action move we should march in solidarity to the Egyptian consulate. We owe it to Egyptians not only for the support they themselves have shown us in their marches to our embassy in Cairo, but for helping to propel an entire international movement of leaderless democracy and human rights. Also we are both in the same boat in the fact both Americans in Oakland and Egyptians in Cairo have had tear gas with the stamp Made in the USA on the canister shot at them.
I agree - lets march in solidarity to the Egyptian consulate here in NY - not in Egypt! If they wind up going, please so not make the story public. You have made us look foolish. My only hope is that the state dept will make it impossible at this point. I can not understand how when the majority votes against this, you still make the decision to spend this money. This is what democracy looks like??? I don't think so.
amen. you are so right.
We should also march in solidarity with those in Yemen, Syria, & Bahrain...they all support us more than we think. Whether we like it or not, this is an international movement.
Egypt you have our support!! We will be praying and wishing for your victory and safety
besides Israel, Egypt is largest recipient of foreign aid from US taxpayers. that's roughly $50 BILLION over the years. and people crow about Solyndra. when did you, or me, ever consent to paying even one dime to Egyptian military budgets, which money finds its way back into the pockets of US military contractors, lobbyists and congressmen. WHAT A FUCKING SCAM OUR WORLD IS
Check out the flags flown by CSI Headquarters in Jamestown Pennsylvania: http://adalahny.org/press-releases-other/1-21-11-update-tear-gas-death-triggers-mobilization-against-israel-s-lethal-tear-gas
My friend Ray said to tell you hi velveeta, and that he gets the Scam-velveeta thing. Though when it comes to macaroni and cheese, he does have his preferences.
He actually thought that the reason we sent so much money to Egypt was to keep the country open so that he and his wife could see those big pointy piles of rocks before he dies. I just can't break the news to him that Mr Hawass has disappeared from TV and that he will probably never get to fulfill his great dream. I'll just tell him that they are stabilizing them so that they won't fall over - OK.
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I am so saddened by this but wish to go on record if what I heard is true I am so dismayed that GA voted to give $30K to send NY occupiers on a trip to witness elections in another country while our movement, still in it's infancy is struggling. That $30K should be going to housing, feeding, or other US occupations rather then sending english speaking occupiers to a different country with a different language where people are being killed. I know I will never donate another dime to the movement as a result of this and am sure many others wont either. I can just see the next headline - OWS to send occupiers to Egypt instead of US. Where are people's heads?
I will support the movement with food or items I know can be used on site but am not in any position to support other countries. This is insanity.
From Bloomberg News 2/2/2011 “The single most important thing we can do at the moment is shaping the calculations of the military,” said Bruce Rutherford, an associate professor at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York, and author of a 2008 book, “Egypt After Mubarak: Liberalism, Islam and Democracy in the Arab World.”
Obama himself was careful to compliment the Egyptian military’s “professionalism and patriotism” in remarks at the White House after Mubarak’s televised speech last night.
“I urge the military to continue its efforts to help ensure that this time of change is peaceful,” he said.
The Pentagon has 625 personnel in Egypt, helping keep the peace along the border with Israel and coordinating aid and weapons sales from such companies as General Dynamics Corp., Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co. and United Technologies Corp. More than 500 Egyptian military officers study each year at U.S. institutes such as the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, and National Defense University at Fort McNair in Washington.
Including the air force and other units, the Egyptian military has 468,500 active duty personnel and 479,000 in the reserves. U.S. assistance pays for about a third of Egypt’s defense budget each year, Rutherford said.
WELL, now ain't that a piece of information that will take a little chewing time.
The news today may call into question that thing abaout "shaping the calculations of the military" It just seems that there may be another group or two in Egypt that are in more of a hurry to SHAPE things.
What is your latest take on this whole situation - World?? Really looking forward to your reply.
The forceful removal of OWS protesters has justified police action in Egypt to do the same. When anyone denounces what happens in Egypt now also denounces the voilence against OWS protesters. Obama denounce either/both cuz the implication is clear for both. Not doing so implicates that violence IS an option so mr. President do what you must! - ADDRESS OWS IN PERSON -
A revolution in Egypt wakes to a broken system/world-economy/rising commodity prices w/o offset-subsidies. #OWS #Tahrir
My friend Ray planted his whole garden to corn this last year. He just figured that if we were dumb enough to burn our food as fuel in our vehicles (ethanol), and thus push the price of commodities all out of reason, he might as well get in on the cash cow too. HOWEVER - he is a little upset by the hike in food prices since we got into the ethanol thing. Pharos - My friend Ray thinks you might want to visit the USA soon to see what is going on. And if you are a citizen living here in the good ole' USA - even Ray will overlook your ignorance.
That only reflects the second comment I made! It may require some mind bending to understand but give it a couple of minutes to get through! It's not about OWS or Egypt it's about all 7Bn of us.
Get this prespective:
Inviting you to the Grand Canyon state when you have the time.
Been there! Grand canyon from Nevada side, Phoenix Metro, Tuscon in AZ.
How'r the Mexican-immigrants there?
North side?? Now you have seen the Grand Canyon the way that many never do.
Immigrant situation is not good. WORSE is the invasion of the drug cartels. Even small towns now have 4-5 of the cartels fighting for space in limited areas.
It will result in nothing but disaster in the Southwest before it can be stopped. We are fighting for our lives down here and for the very lives of our families. The big banks etc is the very least of our problems.
More power to everyone, but just realize, we are in the process of losing a huge amount of our country and the families that live therein, including both the legal and illegal immigrants to one of the most powerful and evil things to ever invade this country and Washington is too far removed to care.
As I had said !!! #OWS has picked up on it also! Just 10hrs l8er + after me having some non-relevant discussion below! with Steven2002
Do you really think the government of Egypt gives a flying fuck about OWS or used your removal from the park to justify what they are doing? You really need serious help.
Considering that the Pentagon has over 600 personnel in Egypt and that the Egyptian military is dependent on 33 percent of their funding contributed by the US Gov't -well I think that what the OWS does here in the states has a huge impact on other governments.
...and you know why the Pentagon has people over there. To basically serve as lobbyists. To undermine the people of Egypt. To help maintain military rule while creating the appearance of a forming Democracy.
that's right.
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It's interesting, isn't it? The world is waking up and calling BS everywhere. I love the internet and modern communication, since I think that is the main driving force behind people actually being able to see the BS in real time. Long live the internet!
The internet is just as good as spreading lies as it is the truth.
Look like several American cities we've been Occupying lately! Did you see the RT Report that Obama is deploying 20,000 U.S troops into the United States "in case" of an event? Supposedly a terrorist event, although the words "civil unrest" are also mentioned.
I used to be a US troop "deployed" to the US. Basically, whenever my unit wasn't deployed overseas, we were "deployed" to our post in the US. A typical US deployment included M-F PT, field exercises, and after EOD formation and on weekends it included lots of drinking tax-free liquor bought at the PX and hanging out.
Are you talking about the troops or the National Guard. Before you yell fire, check to see if anyone is in the theater.
Second point - all troops are being withdrawn from Iran, just like you wanted - where you expect to put them, if not in the US, CUBA maybe?
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Story is three years old. That said there is at least one brigade assigned domestically.
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The US gives Egypt $2 Billion/year and weapons, to make sure that government is friendly to Israel. And gives $3 Billion/year to Israel to help kill/remove the Palestinians from their land. Egyptians will only be free when the American people take care of their own corrupted government.
Egyptian political activist Ahmed Salah talks about their regime and support from the west. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0x60AO4To
I feel that this is nothing more than Friedman economics. This has been deemed a terrorist act in past decades (South America), so why would it work here? The government has been put in place by American Imperialistic forces to ensure that the corporate raping of resources continues without competition!
Bloomburg's actions encouraged this.
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If ows can even get into Egypt it would be a minor miracle. Americans do not understand how repressed the Egyptians were and still mostly are. Showing solidarity is very important, more so will be the stories ows will report. I suggest that half ows continue to Libya, the others thru Gaza to Israel where you will find a democracy, very democratic since everyone has at least two opinions and voices them...Really the best $ that can be spent, their experiences will enlighten us all.
This is very sad...if had been decided as a collective democratic decision then ok, but to bully others, is that any different than what we alread have? If this is a movement for the people you need to listen to the people.
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Yes, considering that they have LIMITED resources, I don't see why they've decided to squander it on a trip. I don't see any articles or posts on this site explaining their decision either.
WHEW, and the OWS said they were leaderless. A meeting of the Board of the biggest corporation in the country wouldn't take that long to decide to give the CEO a bonus of $13M for a job not well done. A true leaderless democracy would not have called for a vote until it was evident that a concensus had been reached. The vote is a mere formality in a true democracy - having set in a LOT of these type democratic meetings until the vote was, 50-0, 15-0, 25-0, 100-0 etc. You simply disgrace the word "democracy"
One of the most memorable days of my life revolved around one of these meeting when I was appointed to a very respected position.
It took two days of discussion, considering all aspects of the appointment and the various options and contenders. One the second day, when the vote was taken - it was unamious, everyone clapped, everyone congratulated me and NO ONE left the room in disgrace or with their head lowered. GET A LIFE OWS - this ain't about any one of you.
desperate measures by a crumbling Global Elite.. trying to clear crowds is like trying to bail water on the Titanic...The End of Tyrants is Here
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Over the entire world people are rising up against tyranny and concentration of wealth and power. It´s just amazing to see the engagement and activism, from Egypt, Libya, Greece, to the amazing Occupy Movement in the US (now spreading all over the world)
Greetings and Solidarity struggleforfreedom
cant dream for no wars reality is it will always be wars but surly will be less when dirty and greedy politicians and busniessmen are pushed away abit
Please I beg of you all to keep up the hard work! Freeing a country will not be the easiest thing you have ever done.I see so many travisties so much hurt! It has got to stop and it will once congress has been decomishoned for their long term failures! and we choose a leader not from the usual group but from grass roots love for a good Man that has already to usher in an america a lot more of us can enjoy.they will tell you you cant they will spend billions to stop you Obama is far from a true suporter turns out hes nothing more than a pupit.Bought and owened by the one percent.Gods speed young heros Gods speed
this is what we need to do in are country.........they don't take no shit from the pigs or anybody else
Please remind SCAF that the military must be subservient to the people or it would be a military dictatorship instead of a democracy. Many of the Egyptian Army Officers who trained with the U.S. should know what this really means. U.S. Presidents fired 5- and 4-star generals: Truman fired MacArthur and Obama fired McChrystal. There was no fuss about those. Egypt had and may still have a real chance for relatively peaceful transition to democracy. It was and can still be a foremost leader amongst the Arab states without going through the gory convulsions. I really hope that Egypt can become the sorely needed star of freedom for the Arab world. May the Supreme Creator watch over, protect, and bless you all!
Regarding the U.S. military aid to Egypt, the purpose was to shore up the Egyptian military to guard against Israel to establish peace. It was not meant to be a means of oppression against the Egyptian people. In these budgetary times in the U.S. (super-committee hunting for > $1.2 trillion savings from the next decade's federal budget and has failed), our Congress would be very receptive to cutting foreign aids, especially if the original purpose of the aid were defiled.
This can easily be the US people better wake up.
Finally we are doing something about a worse-than-the-last-bad-guy.
Obama says he will veto efforts to undo cuts
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/11/21/Obama-says-he-will-veto-efforts-to-undo-cuts/UPI-83791321866000/#ixzz1eOAfIt5F
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/11/21/Obama-says-he-will-veto-efforts-to-undo-cuts/UPI-83791321866000/?spt=hts&or=1
Eyes are opening, eyes are opening. Removing the buying of influence in the elections in the US removes the corporate stranglehold on power and can change the aid situation dramatically. Imagine if we gave instead offers to help build wind turbines, solar-powered desalination systems, and any number of other peaceful initiatives, how that could change things. I gave some thought to the problem of the roots of corruption here. So I got me a pen and paper, and wrote up my own little sign, "The right to fair elections, the right through which all other rights are protected, shall be guaranteed, including equal access to, equal funding for, and equal time on the broadcast commons for all qualifying candidates running for a particular public office. Congress shall determine funding amounts allowed, and shall have the power to regulate campaigns and enforce this amendment through appropriate legislation". If we pull the right levers, and if the candidates are beholden to we, the people, then what follows is true democracy.
If the tear gas supplied by the American government is the main cause of deaths in Tahrir Square, families of those who has lost their lives in the last 3 days are entitled to compensation from US government and the manufacturer.
We can remember Saddam Hussein gassed people in his own country.
There should be an international ban for using such lethal gas by the Police / military against its people. . Any politicians/military leaders who sanction the purchase and deployment of such gas should be brought to face trial of crime against humanity. This is a war crime.
The Arab spring revolutions may have inspired the people in the North, but the struggle of the people in the North that is taking place now, the 99% movement is by turn re inspiring and giving new life to the Arab spring. It is the savior of the Arab spring from being hijacked by fundamentalist reactionary Islamic forces that is trying to divert the energy of the people to fascistic solutions just as the extreme right in Europe with its anti south racism and islamophobia is also trying to divert peoples energy to save the interests of the few of 1% who live from dividing our people and exploit and oppress them and destroy our world and the basic environment we live in.
"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"
This post is ironic for a few reasons. The Egyptian protestors are out again and putting their lives on the line for the OPPORTUNITY to have democratic elections. How many of us here have even bothered to get involved in the US democracy that is so admired by these brave protestors? I am starting to worry that people here are more interested in the drama of OWS as entertainment because its "easier" than the hard work of committing to work within the beautiful constitution our framers gave to us. We take it so for granted. While Egyptians are gunned down in the streets we spit at our own freedom. OWS has helped to change the national conversation but let's get serious and get people ELECTED to make real, lasting change. Shutting down all West Coast Ports will be good tv and all that but it will only hurt the 99%. Do you think the 1% will even NOTICE that the ports shut down? NO! THEY WON'T! Who are we working for? Who are we protecting???
I received a phone call from some organization whose name I could not hear, but they were urging me and presumably other citizens to call our representatives. Allegedly the banks are sitting on 10 trillion dollars while people are in the streets and jobless. This is anathema to a free and prosperous society. Yes, break op these godforsaken banks and make funds available to local financial institutions. This is a Plutocracy and it is killing us.
I heard recently that OWS is not tolerating anyone posting the views of David Icke, Alex Jones, and a few other people who basically live to "open the eyes" of people in broad terms. Alex Jones is a little nuts, I understand, but David Icke? He has been telling people for years that we are living in a fabricated reality, and only wishes to help open the eyes of people that are willing to do so. Sooooooooo whats up?
I am truly befuddled when comments compare the pro-Democracy movement in Egypt and the Occupy movement in the states without recognizing that OWS and other occupy groups are fighting to prevent the rise of such totalitarian rule that leads to situations such as those being contended, fought and killed against across the globe. If my house is falling apart, and my children are hungry I should not hold off on fighting and working to make things better because things are worse elsewhere. I should stand firmly in my beliefs and use what freedom I do have to rise and help those around me rise to the power of Democracy. Only then can we truly aid those around the world in their fights for Democracy for freedom and peace, with heart and conviction. We are not so repressed that we are scared to go on the streets, but turning a blind eye to the growing divides in this country because of our relative safety is cowardly and in essence the root of the problem. Solidarity with the people of Egypt AND the Occupations of the states and around the globe.
Do you think every country want a democratic government? I think every country should have the kind of government the people want. That' one of our problems we think everyone wants to be just like us. We go into these countries & try to make them just like us. Why?
The comments on this forum are becoming more and more arrogant. I won't target any individuals, but c'mon, do you really think that OWS has any impact on the Egyption protests? You're standing on bridges and blocking traffic, collecting tens of thousands in donations, playing drums, holding placcards. Meanwhile dozens of people are being killed in Tahrir square. Do you really think they take OWS seriously when you're smiling and playing music and their life could end within minutes? Shame on you for your arrogance.
Not sure I understand why OWS is posting this story and providing links to Al Jazeera, of all sources.
If you're trying to relate the OWS protests to what is happening all over the Middle East, I think that's a stretch.
People think alhazeera is some kind of militant news outlet. its basically the CNN of the middle east. You'll see commercials with American celebrities on it.
Great article by Professor Jeffry Sachs about the The Super Committee's Big Lie http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/the-super-committees-big_b_1103700.html "The key to understanding the U.S. economy is to understand that we have two economies, not one. The economy of rich Americans is booming. Salaries are high. Profits are soaring. Luxury brands and upscale restaurants are packed. There is no recession.
The economy of the middle class and poor is in crisis. Poverty and near-poverty are spreading. Unemployment is rampant. Household incomes have been falling sharply. Millions of discouraged workers have dropped out of the labor force entirely. The poor work at minimum wages to provide services for the rich.
There are two forces that account for this deep divide. The first is globalization. Manufacturing employment peaked in 1979, with jobs and factories increasingly shifting overseas. For a while, the housing bubble provided construction jobs that partly offset the loss of manufacturing jobs. Now the housing bubble has burst. Good jobs for young people with a high-school diploma or less have disappeared.
Unless you have a four-year college degree, you're struggling. Yet only one third of young men ages 25 to 29 have a bachelor's degree. Most of the rest are holding on for dear life. Among young Hispanic men, only 11 percent have a bachelor's degree; among young African-American men, the figure is 16 percent. Poor kids can't meet tuition, and they drop out of college in droves. Yet with more cuts in state support for tuition and in federal Pell Grants, the situation is rapidly getting worse. "
If Israel and the I lobby in the US congress have their way the next military confrontation will be Iran
This is an important article by former Bush administration Flynt Leverett and former middle east CIA analyst and Hillary Mann Leverett who has directly negotiated with Iran (both quit the Bush administration before the invasion because they disagreed with the invasion of Iraq). the I lobby is marching us towards this confrontation http://www.raceforiran.com/the-iraqization-of-americas-iran-debate-mohammad-javad-larijani-and-the-mainstream-media#comments THE “IRAQIZATION” OF AMERICA’S IRAN DEBATE: MOHAMMAD JAVAD LARIJANI AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA "If, however, one wants to learn more about the cultural and intellectual pathologies currently afflicting America’s Iran debate, it is hard to do better than the interview Larijani gave on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, see here. The chief interviewer is Morning Joe’s Mika Brzezinski (daughter of Zbigniew); she is aided by regular MSNBC commentator Mike Barnicle, Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass, and author-journalist Jon Meacham.
The interview is itself troubling—Larijani holds up fine, and is worth watching, but Brzezinski, Barnicle, Haass, and Meacham are clearly not out to offer viewers the chance to understand a well-informed Iranian perspective on important issues of the day. Their agenda is embarrassingly evident: to ratify the recent International Atomic Energy Agency report as “proof” that Tehran is trying to build nuclear weapons, to portray the Islamic Republic as ideologically hell-bent on Israel’s destruction, and to underscore how “isolated” Iran is becoming, regionally and internationally. The interviewers are out to affirm all of these claims as social “facts”—in a manner strikingly reminiscent of the affirmation of various social “facts” about Saddam Husayn’s WMD programs, ties to Al-Qa’ida, and other issues in the run-up to America’s 2003 invasion of Iraq.
As bad as all this is, the segment immediately following the interview, after Larijani had left the set (which starts at 16:28 in the previous link) is even more troubling. Brzezinski—who said she was “disturbed” by the interview—opens by comparing it with a breakfast meeting she attended with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, where he “sat around making a mockery of the entire situation”; she “just saw that all over again” during the conversation with Larijani. Then, in a remarkable display of intellectual fatuousness, Brzezinksi, Barnicle, Haass, and Meacham collectively determine that Larijiani’s “confident” demeanor (their description, during the interview itself) is evidence that the Islamic Republic is the antithesis of a “rational actor” (sic; one really has to see it to believe it).
Haass, though, delivers the real punch line; in his view, the interview suggests that, for"
GO READ THE ARTICLE. Race for Iran Best place for facts about Iran
We need to Occupy Congress!!! They are the ones who will not vote to make the rich pay their taxes! STOP THE G.O.P.= GREED OVER POVERTY
We need to Occupy Congress!!! They are the ones who will not vote to make the rich pay their taxes! STOP THE G.O.P.= GREED OVER POVERTY
This is unfortunate, but this is the leadership they put in control when their former government stepped down. Should any of us really be surprised? So many of us saw this coming and they did nothing to stop it.
So why is it that OWS will post pieces about the oppression and violence in Tahir square but not what is happening to the Palestinians daily?
http://mondoweiss.net/
Wondering if the MSM outlets like MSNBC's Maddow, Dylan etc will cover these protest as much as when Mubarak was still in control. The human rights issues that Maddow, Dylan, Richard Engel etc will not touch.... in fact total silence on. The oppression of the Palestinians
Rabbi Jacobs “the settlers (illegal) engage almost in daily violence”
She can say that over and over again Israeli Settlers attacking a Palestinian in Hebron link to youtube.com
Palestinians harassed by an evil Jewish settler in Hebron cage (p1) (listen to this illegal settler calling a Palestinian “cunt” over and over again link to youtube.com
Jewish settlers act like terrorists in Hebron . Israeli officers and illegal settlers do not want people to film their actions link to youtube.com link to youtube.com
Hebron settlers assault internationals and Israeli link to youtube.com
Settler attacks a Palestinian family in Hebron
link to youtube.com
Christian Peace Maker Teams and Palestinian human rights organizations have been shedding the light on the human rights violations there for several decades
Found this yesterday: "Dwell" by Cynical 30. It's fantastic - hope someone there picks up on this - this needs to be seen by all:. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8gDuR_aJM&feature=player_embedded#! Solidarity...
Interesting that you would post this in an attempt to compare your protest to their protests You should be embarassed that anyone would try to link the two. Seriously? Those people are truly fighting for democracy knowing full well that they may or their family will be killed, or tortured, etc. Your protesters are facing, what?..... a night in jail with free meals. Not saying that you shouldn't protest, go ahead, but at least take some time to really think about what the protesters in Egypt are going thru versus what you all are. The attempt to compare you all with them is by far the most disgusting thing the "movement" has attempted so far. Try to keep it in perspective. Good luck.
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the death toll rises to Tahrir Square http://www.lalavatrice.it/world/scontri-al-cairo-22-morti
Funny thing:
Syria is supported by The State and guess who might be causing all the trouble by supporting the military cruelty, inciting religious hatred in Egypt; so simple, the biggest troublemakers after World War II and continuing to grow.
Dublin's 'Occupy Dame Street' is in danger of eviction this week.
http://www.occupydamestreet.org/
Garda Siochána (Irish state police) are just as bad as NYPD when it comes to protecting wealth over social justice.
After the banksteins, the policemen and the soldiers, the best friends of the elites are people who refuse to open their eyes in front of a medieval reality. In order to help these poor of spirit the first things to do is to throw the TV in the rubbish.
As long as there is courage and self sacrifice there will be OWS occupiers. OWS is a social movement of the 99%. But like a beacon it illuminates the path for everyone including many in the 1% who have vision and foresight to want freedom from depravity of greed and hoarding.
How many people are demonstrating for occupy wall street? 30k nationwide? Lets say 100,000 people, to be generous. Lets assume a solidarity of 900,000 more people (this is a big assumption, that 9x as many people agree with you than are actually supporting you). So, there are a total of 1 million people effectively in the movement.
The United States has a population of roughly 300 million people. That makes the OWS movement less than 1% of the population, and far, far less than a majority.
Just wanted to point out that you aren't actually the 99%, you are, in your own way, the 0.3%.
So when are you going to join? Does 3 million suit you? What about 10 million? Are you going to wait until 100 million? What number will it take before you come up with something worth the effort of reading?
From Jaun Cole: http://www.juancole.com/2011/11/army-vs-people-in-egypt.html
Thousands of protesters in and around Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo clashed for a second day on Sunday with Egyptian security forces, with some 18 arrested in the morning hours. Protests are also being held in a number of Egyptian cities.
On Saturday, one person was killed and hundreds were wounded at Tahrir Square as security forces and protesters clashed when the government attempted to clear the square. Another protester was killed in Alexandria. Some Egyptians are saying that deposed dictator Hosni Mubarak has been revealed still to be in power (i.e. his officer cronies have the same mindset as he did).
Al-Masri al-Yawm likened the carnage to the attempted crackdown late in the Mubarak era last February.
Last month US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta visited Cairo and pressured the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) to abrogate the state of emergency, which was instituted in 1981 and sets aside constitutional personal liberties, on the grounds that it would detract from the legitimacy of the elections if they were held under such draconian laws.
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There is more. Go read.
Huelga!!!!Fuerte!!!
It is not easy the process of freedom of oppressed peoples, but we believe that one day they will surrender to a civilized country. Unfortunately now we count the dead, after we discuss rights click here http://www.lalavatrice.it/world/scontri-al-cairo-11-morti-e-285-feriti
Beware of Hegelian Dialectic
Just make sure ows does not install someone worse into power because if that happens I would participate in the movement that would take down that person from power.
The most "dangerous" thing about Egypt is that they could end up with a more representative Democracy than we have here. The Mubarak appointed Supreme Council of the Armed Forces of Egypt is doing their best to stop this from happening. They are trying to stop a civilian transitional government from forming. They are intentionally trying to divide the people along religious lines, and now they are killing people for speaking out against them! They have lost all credibility. Don't buy any of the arguments saying that the danger is militant groups taking over if SCAF hands over power too soon. The real threat of Egypt is to Corporatist/Capitalist countries who count on autocratic regimes and Puppet "Democracies" to do business. The Egyptian people will not be fooled into thinking this military would allow a legitimate government to form.
I don't like the police brutality to overshadow the movement, but it should be used to expose what is really going on here!
The globalist's hidden agenda of CLOSING AMERICAN CIVIL SOCIETY is being exposed by the worsening Police State of America.
Expose every lie, infiltrator, troll and Jack-boot-cop there is; use every tactic to enlighten The People - the most serious situation any American can imagine The Closing of America! "Corporate America Is Using Our Police Departments As Hired Thugs" http://saynotocorporateamerica.blogspot.com/2011/11/corporate-america-is-using-our-police.html Above link has collection of videos etc, use the Police State to our advantage; use it to WAKE UP PEOPLE! UNITY is our POWER! The oligarchs fear it, GROW IT! The time is now, else the time is never! (note - the majority of police are just doing their job but we need them on our side; they are People first)
Burning tents. Jesus Christ.
This second time around is the REAL Egyptian revolution. Where's the April 6 movement when you need it? They, of course, served the interests of the Anglo-American power and allies. Now we can see clearly how the first "revolution" was managed in order to topple Mubarak, who the West no longer needed it. Now, the real repression sets in, the US won't let the people take power this time. Egypt is very strategic piece in the geopolitical chessboard in Middle East/Africa. Egyptian people failed to see the bigger picture earlier this year. They thought mistakenly that it was enough to topple Mubarak. This should be a lesson for the #OWS movement, we need to see beyond reform (not just reinstituting Glass Stegall act, tax the rich, etc, etc)and address the real issues, the bigger pciture. What we have is a systemic problem, which unsustainable and which doesn't represent the power of the people anywhere in the world.
It's happened numerous times in history, where the revolutionary movement left the military of the old regime intact, and it wasn't long before the military regrouped and smashed the revolution and unleashed a reign of repression.
There was never a popular movement in Egypt -it was a military coup.This has become obvious, now good luck to the people standing against the military that used them to oust Mubarak.The Copts are the Jews of the Egyptian Reich
I don;t even understand what this statement is supposed to mean.
And when the govt takes over the internet( coming soon) you will really be screwed.
We have a Egypian Consulate here in NYC it is located at 59th st and 2nd ave. near an entrance to the queensburrogh bridge. There is also tramway park located kiddy-corner to the conulate building that looks like it would make a good base of operations. Egyptian activists have marched in solidarity with us, what do you say we return the favor?
that is what should be done!
meet the new boss, same as the old boss
state TV reported.
"The government asks that people contain themselves in order to express their points of view and to refrain from carrying out demonstrations that will encourage chaos and the deterioration of security in Egypt when Egypt requires stability and security," the Cabinet said in a statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/world/africa/egypt-protests/
We will rise up against the oppressive American government. We are the resistance.
Let me see. I need to ask my friend Ray, but I think in talking to him over the past 50 years, he has a little different interpretation of "rise up" and "resistance"
He thinks that "rise up" refers more to the plant that rises up thorough the cowpie and produces a beautiful flower that smells good as opposed to the plant that comes up under the resistance of the cowpie, grows all craggly and pale and may or may not finally peek out from under to get badly sunburned on the same day that the temperature reaches 29 degrees for the first time in the fall. You do know what the resistance is in this simple example don't you??
Have a great day cowpie, oops, I mean Flyman02.
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oppressive...seriously? how do you even sleep at night spewing this shit?
If we could get China with us that would be unreal. All the countries that have governments like China would follow suit. What about Russia? We need them too. I'd love to see the whole world with us. But I don't want to see a one world government.
Let's hook up with American-Egyptian organizations and have a big solidarity rally!
Hopefully the 20 OWS people sent there with the $29K from the donation money will put their lives on the line for the cause.
And lose them, Oh and just one more thing, while you are there explain to the Egyptian security forces that you are just exercising your 1st. amendment rights. Try to do that before they put a bullet in your head.
Nothing has been decided on this yet.
I think a lot of people here are going to be surprised when Egypt trades a Military Dictatorship for the Dictatorship of an Islamic Republic. If I were a women living in Egypt today I'd be checking out the latest in Burquas cause gals your going to be getting locked up soon by the Mullahs.
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Who says protesting does not work!!! http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57328905/egypts-cabinet-resigns-as-protests-intensify/
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The unfortunate turn of events in Egypt shows that the radical religious in Egypt will try to overthrow the military rule under the guise of Democracy. If they win they will do away with the democracy the moment they gain power. Neither the military nor those that are trying to get rid of them will benefit the country in a way that we consider democratic.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Ethnic_scope Summary of protests by country & death toll
“What is a communist? One who hath yearnings / For equal division of unequal earnings.”
“The elimination of private property is the very first thing in the Communist Manifesto.”
The Occupy movement may represent the 99 percent, but not all of the 99 percent will be present. A homeless man wanted everyone to know he thinks you’re great, but he won’t be there with you. “I’m just trying to stay alive,” he told me.
Read his story here: www.josephcouture.com “Preoccupied In Hell”
A few people get together in a park and start talking and the property owners shit themselves. Why such panic, why such fear and loathing? The shallow, hollow, pettiness of a property owner. As long as they have their hoard of the junk of the market economy all is well. Most of which of course is made in China now. All is well with the world as long as property owners have enough crap to stick their name on. As long as they can still get some mileage out of knowing others are without. Because that is about the extent of the satisfaction you will get from property these days: thinking of those that have less. The rest of it is just clutter that any moron can steal.
“Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'”
Come on my friend, where you hear or read all this garbage? Don't believe any thing that you hear about Cuba or Venezland either. They are there simply for the good of all their fellow countrymen. for the good of all their fellow countrymen, for the good of all their fellow countrymen.
Here, my friend Ray, get out your pocket watch on that fake gold chain - swing it in front of their eyes for a while and they will think that this communist thing is the most relaxing thing they have ever seen. JUST don't let them awaken.
This is where all reactionaries deserve to be: stuck with a fable, no points, 13 hours ago.
All reactionaries are stuck in this same thread. I cannot even reply this morning due to the confusion of the thread and the fact that I have to be at work in 15 minutes. SORRY. Some things are worth my time to sort out and some are not.
True, thinking is not your forte. Lift that bail tote that barge.
At least I got a SONG out of it - what did you get, more goose bumps?
Oh please you surely got more than a song or are you one of the slaves the market economy needs to work for nothing. Now you be sure to pay your taxes won't you.
Thanks for your reply - I posted it on the "HUMOR" section of our breakroom bulletin board. We had a great laugh over our morning coffee and burritos.
NO, Redsuperficiality. Actually, if I was you, I wouldn't even give me the time of day. I am one of those slave drivers you talk about all the time. It's just that I get kinda bent out of shape with the attitude and you using your freedom of speech to call my team "slaves". I paid a highschool drop-out over $50,000 last year as my property manager - with a little prodding on the side-and released time-to get his GED. And guess what, HE DID. Best worker I have ever had on my team and he worked and earned everything he made - including the $1,000 bonus he will get for that educational BUMP. He oversees 25 properties and supervises one individual. I made enough to meet my needs and put aside a little for rough times, and paid my taxes too - only took be 3 months to do that (Jan-Feb-Mar). I don't exactly have a forte - I drive a Chevyte and I really like to see people on my team get ahead. Does THAT give you goose bumps??
You know what I really think? "thou thinkest too much" Give us a good team and we'll plow circles around you any day (justTHINK back about 70-80 years and you will know what that means).
Your team? How did it get to be your team? You smug little clown. Like all good little parasites you resort to moralism when scratched. Fable does not get you very far does it when someone calls your bluff? Now it is the brownie points and elephant stamps and gold stars you are presenting to clear your name. What ever you pay workers you only pay them a fraction of the wealth they create and you confiscate the rest to line your pockets. Then you have the cheek to make out you are doing them a favor. Stay out of the discourse if free speech get too big for you. The problem isn't I think too much. The problem is you can't stand thinking so you want it to stop all quickly as if everyone is your employee. You may be able to pretend your employees don't think much but don't try that here. And who were you running rings around in 1931 -1941?. What the hell are you talking about? The Great Depression? WW2? How is any of that your baby that somehow reflects well on you? Or is there somehow something more significant happening then that your oblique reference to is enough for others to know what you are on about? You are so under stress from a few pertinent remarks I suspect you can't even manage simple arithmetic now.
One plus One is eleven not twelve and that is a fact. Let me show you the proof, 12. See it is eleven not twelve.
You are very VERY good at the PUTdown OR should i say the PULLdown. I may be a "smug little clown" but that is because you see me looking down at you.
Sounds like you are jealous of "my team". I may provide the harness and the hay but we are a team and I fully pull my own weight and eat the same hay that they do - so get over it.
And what bluff are you calling exactly?? Isn't $17.50 per hour plus benefits, plus $400 per month housing allowance, plus $50.00 in weekly vehicle gas allowance, a free full meal at any restaurant in town every noon and sometimes breakfast too if the weather is bad or we just want to talk, and annual bonus payments at the end of the year, on birthdays and periodically throughout the year for work above average on a project, not to mention the occasional none repayable loan for special family needs enough to equal the bluff of $50,000 a year that you just called.
The amount that I lined by pocket with in the last 1040 filing was a little over $6,000 and if you know what I am talking about, the claimed depreciation of any property used in that business. Of course, even that will catch up with me sometime and the government will want 25% or more of that little gain, along with 25% of any property appreciation, and on and on.
Bet you are not a business major, right.? A lot of the reason that I pay what I do is because my employees (2) by the way, do think much and are paid accordingly. If I wanted to do all the thinking, I would pay them $7.50 an hour and tell them what to do.
Not a history major either, right. I won't even bother to go into the "RINGS" thing. I am not your history instructor and it would take too much time and you are not worth my time.
I had the honor of working for 15 years in a culture that was based on the "pull down" theory. No one should be allowed to get ahead. All should share and just get along. The result - the poorest of the poor in financial terms, far down the ladder in terms of education. But far, far richer than you in human values and life itself. Somehow, they are now managing to maintain that richness and to change their own culture into one of Pulling everyone up together rather than pulling the one down.
If you choose to live according to your post above, more power to you. I do not choose to live that way, my "team" does not choose to live that way and nothing that I believe in teaches me to live that way.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving and may God Bless you in your travels through life whether you want it of deserve it or not.
Great talking with you red. Thanks and good night.
You need to read Marx: micro economics is a scam, there is no god and history is class struggle not tall tale and true of the legendary past.
Thank you for your reply.
Is the Marx that you refer to, the guy that set Russia up for failure?? The one who sent Cuba back into the land of no return, or the one that China could not quite accept as the final word in all matters.
Whether or not there is a God, will be proven without a doubt shortly after your lifetime. Please wait to make your decision when you have all the facts.
History is what history is. You will read it your way and I will read it mine. Doesn't change a thing - it happened.
If you read Marx you wouldn't be so silly. If you read Marx there would be more to say.
I prefer Zane Grey myself.
To each his own.
Ebenezer Elliott
Martha Babson
I agree that OWS are talented pocket watch swingers.
You cannot stop the 99%!!! We will target your buildings, your parks, your ports. We will not be stopped
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I am very happy that in December we will be targeting the ports. We will permanently shut those ports down!! They belong to the 99 percent. No one is going to work!!!
Awesome. Let's take 'Em down. They belong to us ! Let's start planning now though, what should we do with them once we take them?
That's a no-brainer. Drum-circles dude. The People's new economy will be a drum-circle based economy.
Cool. Drum circles rule. Might be hard to have a good economy based on that but who cares, we can tax rich people for that !!
I like it! Can I bring my triangle? I rock on the triangle!
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"For the [Occupy] mobilization to make a deep and lasting impression, the survival issues of the bottom of the 99% have to move to the top of the agenda." from a bimonthly paper called Freedom Socialist: Voice of Revolutionary Feminism. This would NOT include, for example, spending $30,000 to send pretend leaders from OWS to Cairo to visit with pretend leaders from Tahrir Square, as OWS just voted to do last night. OCCUPY OCCUPY with people who know how to check their egos!
WOW - My friend Ray is getting a little ticked now. He and his wife were saving money for years to visit Egypt and now he finds that a few pretended leaders from OWS are getting a free trip. He is really upset and is making a scene in the coffee shop. Think the OWS just lost any of his support that was hanging in the balance and that of all his friends in there too. Ray is cooling down a little and thinks you might be pulling his leg about the $30,000 thing. That is more money that he and his wife have in their saving account after 40 years of hard work. If you ain't kidding - DO NOT let Ray know. He might just blow that whole trip to Egypt savings, come to the next OWS meeting and give you all a piece of his mind - and you don't want a piece of Ray's mind - you think pepper spray is a bad thing. WHOOA
Listen up folks! It doesnt matter what you say or do. That port is our port. We are the 99% and that port is our target. You going to stop us? Come and try. That port will be shuttered come the 12th. It will be our finest moment protesting the oppressive United States government. We are the 99%!!!
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Why don't you try taking the port at Dandong in China? Oh you have no rights there.You are in what was once a free nation, since this brownshirt movement started the USA government will use you as tools to destroy what freedom is left.Why aren't you at the capitol or the federal reserve? Can you be that ignorant of history?
we are at the capital and a quite a few federal reserves. the powers that be are going to try to take your freedoms regardless, you have the choice to either be passive or resist.
Please excuse me SYNERGETIC4D. I should have scanned posts before I hit the post button. You get the credit - my post should have been just YEAH as a reply to yours. Sorry.
SYNER - you might also give them a waring about getting hit in the head by one of those containers being move around by that big crane. But don't know if it would hurt them, but a word to the wise.. yeah, NEVER MIND.
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CHICKEN - You are going to protest and shut down a port as FAR away from the government (DC) as you can get and still be in the continental US. Have you thought about getting a little farther way, say, the Hawaiian Islands or maybe Anchorage just to cover up what you are doing. How about shutting down that port in China where all the junk originates - now there is a real challenge to you.
It doesn’t take a lot for the 1 percent to control those below them if the masses are confused, afraid and fighting amongst themselves.
Read how the Occupy London movement in Canada fell on its own sword here:
www.josephcouture.com “How To Blow A Revolution- The London Model”
Stop comparing this itty bitty little thing called OWS to what is going on in the middle east. Not even the same playing field. Embarrassing.
I don't see OWS chasing out the national leadership by totally upending the government either.
Our movement may not be on the same scale or phase as Egypt's, but even the Tahrir Square movement has acknowledged us as being in solidarity with them and fighting the same fight in a broad sense. If OWS was just an "itty bitty" thing, then the Egyptian freedom fighters would have never felt the need to reach out to us. The message is the same...الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام The people want to bring down the system.
"“We saw the firm stance the US took against OWS people & the German govt against green protesters to secure the state,” an Egyptian state television anchor said yesterday"
It's a preparation for violence.
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