Forum Post: Education cost- do not go for higher education
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 15, 2011, 2:15 p.m. EST by JoeyRockstar
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After seeing what higher education does to people I am 100% convinced that it is a horrible idea to go in this day and age. First off the debt you obtain right away in life is crippling. What pisses me off is High schools are told by the government to promote Higher education as this wonderful amazing thing where you need it to get a good job blah blah blah. Not once in any school do they have classes that warn you about loans and interest and credit cards and whatever other bull shit that screws you over in the real world. High schools are regulated to talk about certain things and promote others to feed the government. Oh and guess what unless your lucky your degree is almost worthless for what you paid for it. You are competing with so many other people who have degrees now so your degree isnt special like it used to be .Your degree is devalued. I think doctors and what not should go but unless you need to save a life wait on it for 5 or 10 years to see if its worth it for the field you choose to get into.Even with a degree the jobs are not there if you have 15 other people going for 1 job with the same degree you paid so much for
Education must be free. For everyone.
Amen brother, or at least affordable
Yep, high schools definitely spew the BS.
Education should be free up to 4 years in college. The reason higher education is so expensive is because:1) High demand 2) it is the private sector.It really doesnt cost that much to teach. The schools are making out like fat cats.
Education and health care should be completely 100% govt controlled with no private sector( though with education you should have to pay for beyond a certain limit)
Of the top 10,000 monetary contributer to politicam campaigns. Number one is...NEA, that's right the teacher's union. I'm not union bashing. But wouldn't all that money be better served in the hands of the teachers' instead of union leaders and politicians? Maybe even into the schools? hmmmm
I don't know what they pay in dues per pay cycle(or w/e method used).Sure would give them a pretty good pay raise I think though.
http://www.followthemoney.org/database/top10000.phtml
The problem is that we don't value education and college has become a trade school for a few professions. If we decide as a population that it is important to have an educated public, then we will make access to education affordable. If we decide that it isn't really important to have a population that is capable of a higher level of critical thinking, and we just want some obedient workers to pull levers, then college will remain financially problematic. We have to push to get these student loans dischargeable in bankruptcy. This used to be possible, until the push from the 1%. We have to decide that education is an investment regardless of major. I hate hearing the nasty comments about women's studies. One goes to college to learn to think, not to become a mindless dispenser of protocol. Whether the degree is literature, psychology, philosophy, or math, the degree has value. No one blamed people for getting a philosophy degree decades ago, because it was affordable and they recognized that an educated employee was a valuable asset. One can do many things regardless of the degree. An English major can be a teacher, journalist, small business owner, etc. Only in our society that doesn't value labor and sees a degree as just a receipt, is education seen as useless. This has to change. I want everyone to be able to go to school regardless of income. A desire to learn and question the world is what led to this movement. This should be fostered! This movement is the most important thing in my life and in the lives of most of the people around me.
English, philosophy and literature degrees are useless in real life. Do you know how to manage payroll, tho? Now THAT'S useful. Can you build a computer program that will simulate the effects of wind shear on a structure? Now THAT'S useful. Can you find a cheaper way to synthesize Insulin? Now THAT'S useful. Can you design a more cost effective Solar Panel? Now THAT'S useful. Can you take that Solar Panel and hook it into a car? Now THAT'S useful. Can you write a computer program that will allow a car to Parallel Park Itself? Now THAT'S useful. Can you identify areas in our power grid where we are wasting power and losing money? Now THAT'S useful. Can you tune music the way an artist wants it to be tuned? Now THAT'S useful. Can you write a computer program to automate these Robotic Arms on our assembly line? Now THAT'S useful. Can you fix this $1.5 Million Robotic Arm on our assembly line? Now THAT'S useful. Can you make music that will make our company profits? Now THAT'S useful. Can you act good enough to attract a large crowd? Now THAT'S useful. Can you make our engines more fuel efficient? Now THAT'S useful. Can you design a sleeker plane that will be more fuel efficient? Now THAT'S useful. Can you come up with an antidote to the ever mutating Streptococcus bacterium? Now THAT'S useful.
All of those professions required a business degree, or a Bachelor of Science. The problem with the world is that there are too many people getting pussy degrees and not enough people getting B.S.'s. If more people in society would get degree in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering we wouldn't have this jobless problem. Instead you have a bunch of pussies who don't want to study hard and learn how to do math and physics, which are the the highest level of thinking in our society, but instead want to memorize things that they will be asked to regurgitate on a test and get easy A's and B's and easy degrees. Degrees don't make you an accomplished person. Your value to society makes you an accomplished person. What can a person with an English degree do to make my life better? Not much. they certainly can't do any of the helpful things listed above.
Decades ago... Well, now that people like you have instilled in society that all education is valuable, everyone is educated, so there is a new separating factor: WHAT your educated in and WHERE your degree came from. That is what companies look at nowadays. And you can't force a company looking for a Computer Programmer to hire a Literature Major, so no the concept that education in a stupid field is useless does NOT have to change, rather the people getting the Degree have to change their major.
And by the way Lockheed Martin does not view a degree as a receipt. In fact Lockheed doesn't want you within 5 feet of their facility if you do not have a Bachelors of Science in Aerospace, Mechanical, Electrical or Computer Engineering. Furthermore, Lockheed doesn't want you working on their replacement of the F-22 unless you graduated from Georgia Tech or MIT. So WHERE you come from and WHAT you have a degree in means A LOT.
The other difference between now and 40 years ago is that there were not 1000 useless piece of shit colleges. Shit colleges give lots of people degrees and no one cares about their degree because of the fact that it came from a school that is no more reputable than a High School.
My deal right now is back then yes it was a great idea to go to college ,it was affordable and the job were out there . Theres a saying that to much of a good thing is a bad thing. At this point there are lots of higher educated people in competition with another who went to school but the jobs at this point just are not there to fill for theese great people who could do a phenominal job .This leaves many in debt and their degrees wothless and devalued because that piece of paper is now 1 of many rather then 1 of a special few
Not to mention a lot of the campus higher ups are taking YOUR MONEY YOU PAY FOR EDUCATION and building things like a new sports stadium that has NOTHING to do with YOUR EDUCATION at all . Protest against colleges for taking your money and raping you up the ass . Do not give them a penny until your degree when you graduate would be worth it because your degrees have been so devalued due the the economy and the fact everyone has them with so little jobs available to you.Back out now for your own sake ,seriously AND FINISH WHEN THE JOBS ARE THERE FOR YOU.
See also:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-infographic-about-student-loan-debt-your-gatewa/
The big trend on college campuses now is investing in buildings. You'd think they'd be moving more toward webcasting & virtual classrooms, elminating the need for expensive & wasteful infrastructure, but no.
Follow the money on that one as well.
Student loan bubble, university campus construction bubble...it's all about the bucks & who's profiting.
Yeah, my campus is doing the same thing. They've built 3 new buildings in the last year, fired a quarter of the teaching staff, and raised tuition. Guess people are paying for scenery and not an education.
I just wish government would be more honest . The jobs are not there at the moment and the competition of people with the same degree is fierce . Kids really should wait before they go to see what happens .It hurts to see Kids suffering due to lies and being lead to believe if they go to college everything will be just fine
It really depends what your degree is in. I graduated with about $200K but I had a dental degree so I was able to pay it off in a reasonable amount of time. $200K for a philosophy degree is another story.
I do not regret my college education. It was an amazing time in my life. While I agree that the debt part should be handled, I would still love to be able to send my daughter to college to get a rounded education when she is old enough. Thank you for posting, it is obvious that you are very passionate. Support the occupation movement and its artists! Cheers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reazEr_AIBk
Why would they warn you about credit cards? what does that have to do with student loans? Anyways...
I am getting a degree in Mechanical Engineering from Georgia Tech and I am not the least bit worried about finding a job. The Average Starting Salary for a Georgia Tech Grad is 57k/yr. The Median Career Income is 106k/yr. The lowest starting salary that I have heard of from friends is 60k/yr. I know one guy who started making 108k/yr. If you are getting a useful degree college is worth it.
The problem with kids today is that everyone wants to be a lawyer because it sounds like there is a lot of money involved, but more importantly because they feel as though they can actually get a law degree because there is nothing challenging about English/Literature and History classes. And then there are people who go to college for a degree in English. Useless. If you want to be a school teacher, all you have to do is walk in, they don't even require degrees anymore.
If you go into college to be a Doctor or an Engineer, you will have NO PROBLEM finding a job. There are shortages in both of those fields. Especially engineering, which is the fastest growing field in the world as our society continues to become more mechanized and electronic.
The problem is people get degrees from shitty universities. It's not the degree that is worthless, it's the University that is worthless. If you get an English Degree from Harvard, you can start teaching a freshman literature class at UCLA making 80-100k/yr right away...not so much if you get an English degree from I Wish I Was A Real School University.
watch what happens when the shit hits the fan ,if your going and it is 100% you will find the job your looking for fine but its doubtful. You are equal to anyone who got the same degree at another major school going for the same job .Also high schools should teach kids about financial responsibility over lets say history ,science etc. The government will not regulate it though because if kids were smart when they got out then their little credit card buddies wouldnt be able to screw kids who are mislead. Yes kids should be made more aware of the real world over other things they teach and yes most degrees are worthless but I wish you luck .I dont want you to be one of the people who end up suffering
I won't end up suffering. I think the percentage of engineers that graduate from GT and gets a job immediately is 95%+, within a year of graduation it is 100%. Besides, I'm at the tied for #2 Mechanical Engineering school in the country. I'm tied with Stanford, I think Cal Tech is in front of GT and that's it.
BTW, if you're going to drop a subject, it should be English or History. I'm not sure why you would ever want to cut science teaching. Politics/Economics is a very important class though and that gets taught in the Senior Year at every high school in the US. So the real life class would only be allowed to replace 12th grade English, if you taught it in 12th grade.
English is useless. Learning words isn't but learning motifs is fucking retarded.