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Forum Post: Ed Schultz Co-opts Occupy Wall St. for Democratic Party!

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 10:46 a.m. EST by LloydJHart (190) from Vineyard Haven, MA
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Ed Schultz Co-opts Occupy Wall St. for Democratic Party!

By Lloyd Hart

Last night while I was watching MSNBC what I predicted would happen, happened, Ed Schultz, the MSNBC host and a couple of Union leaders basically co-opted the Occupy Wall St. protest and the entire Occupy movement as being apart of Barack Obama's reelection campaign. If this perception is allowed to persist Occupy Wall St. and the broader Occupy movement will lose all credibility. The people that voted the dems into a massive majority in 2008 are not stupid and know full well that a real economic stimulus bill could have been voted into place with just 51 senators in reconciliation. That a real health care bill could have been voted in with 51 senators in reconciliation and that a real banking reform bill bringing back Glass/Steagall could have been voted in with just some minor arm twisting by the president and members of congress and the public but what did the dem and Obama do, they sold their souls to the corporations and the defense dept.

Now the dems and Obama have crafted a too little too late jobs bill which is really their 2012 reelection campaign designed to black mail voters into voting democrat, "If you want jobs your going to have to vote for us!" the whole smelly democratic campaign seems to be saying.

The dems had their chance but reached out and took that sleazy money from wall street and the corporations and joined the republican party in spirit and body as they have done over and over again through out recent history.

It is now time to end the political monopoly that has choked the life out of the working and middle classes and search for the alternative.

Progressives and real lefties must leave the democrat party in the dust bin of history as too many of it's members are completely corrupt. Yes, it will be painful to watch the corrupt politicians in both parties work to crush working people's aspirations while a new alternative is being born but fighting for an new alternative will be far more rewarding than continuing to enable the kleptocracy of the democratic and republican parties.

While I will still give my all to the younger generation's aspirations and to working people's aspirations, the democratic and republican parties are dead to me.

Lloyd J Hart 508-687-9153

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[-] 3 points by Cafree (80) 13 years ago

hahahaha, that's not co opting, that's delusion. The democrats are as corrupt as anyone else. I was in their little "party" I saw corruption, vote stealing, lying, vote buying from supers, you name it, they did it. There is NO HOPE from any of these pols or parties we have now. They are all owned by the same people. Koch brothers donate to dems and republicans alike, so do big pHarma, insurance companies. The one who "wins" is the one they can control the most and these corps don't give a damn what party their next puppet is in.

[-] 2 points by Jerry (11) 13 years ago

This is the danger of inviting in much better organized groups that have an agenda and know how to control a message. Just as the tea party did, you will attack rent seekers that will destroy your message as it is replaced with furthering their goals instead.

[-] 1 points by Jerry (11) 13 years ago

attack=attract

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 13 years ago

They print the money, they own both parties.

As long as you accept debt-dollars (you owe debt for each one created), they own everything, they own YOU.

Restore constitutional money, and they can't wish money into existence to use in their megalomaniac plans to rule the world.

They are crashing the world economy to create a crisis, right now, which won't be allowed to go to waste. They will impoverish you to the point of desperation, then offer up a plan to 'save' you. The price will be your freedom and any hope at prosperity. Out of chaos, order. This is ancient strategy. Better get ahead of this before you get swept up in something and used to destroy your own freedom.

It's Not My Debt. And I'm Not Paying It.

[-] 1 points by dreadsPoverty (93) from Mankato, MN 13 years ago

I used a similar argument went GW Bush returned to office. It doesn't work to say that it's not your debt.

The debt is on every American now.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 13 years ago

I did too.

I didn't ask for the debt, I didn't agree to it, it didn't get spent on me, it was done without my consent.

It does work to say it's not my debt. It cannot be paid, it will not be paid, ever. Just look at the numbers. There can now only be one purpose for it. I will not be enslaved to pay interest on it.

No more employees, no more business, no more regulatory compliance, no more inventions, no more risking my house and ruining my health to feed surly government clerks and ungrateful tax pigs. I work to feed myself and no more.

You can't get blood out of a rock. I have become a rock.

It's Not My Debt. And I'm Not Paying It.

[-] 1 points by dreadsPoverty (93) from Mankato, MN 13 years ago

So, you're in the movement to return to subsistence farming. I agree.

But I'd be very interested in knowing where you'd go to make a living. Every place on Earth is occupied. We have no place to run. When the Fore Fathers founded this country, there was a vast wilderness. It doesn't exist in this sense any longer.

If you're not going to offer solutions, then you're part of the problem.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 13 years ago

No, I'm not part of any movement.

I am in favor of freedom in a division-of-labor economy.

As for a solution, perhaps a return to the constitution would be a good place to start. Which means constitutional money, no Fed, and observance of the forgotten 9th and 10th amendments. Better not forget the 5th, too, that was just blatantly trashed.

The alternative is subsistence farming all right. On a collective farm.

[-] 1 points by dreadsPoverty (93) from Mankato, MN 13 years ago

Division-of-labor? So worker classes?

I see Constitutional tender is being worked on in 7 states.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 13 years ago

That's encouraging.

Division of labor means I can have enough cows to sell milk to everyone in town, which I am good at, and use some of the proceeds to buy shoes from the shoemaker. That way I don't have to make my own shoes, and the shoemaker doesn't have to own a cow. That's the context there. I don't go in much for this class stuff, it's not too useful a concept for me.

[-] 1 points by dreadsPoverty (93) from Mankato, MN 13 years ago

And leave the other Joe, who also sells great milk, out of business? Hmm, it needs work.

Yeah. Class stuff usually creates Revolutions.

[-] 1 points by HankRearden (476) 13 years ago

There's no reason why the other Joe needs to go out of business. It works all by itself.

[-] 1 points by loanslave (19) 13 years ago

I saw that segment and was horrified as well. We need a few articulate occupiers to contact the stations and ask them to come down there and talk to the real people at Zuccotti, not some union guy that has no real clue what is going on down there.

[-] 1 points by kestrel (274) 13 years ago

You need spokespeople from Zuccotti as the problem is that too many interviews from too many people there who can't speak to an acceptable level of english, with complete sentences and completely thought out beliefs.

[-] 1 points by ss000kk (7) from Shakopee, MN 13 years ago

Indeed...

[-] 1 points by LloydJHart (190) from Vineyard Haven, MA 13 years ago

Indeedeedy