Forum Post: Does anybody here think aliens really rule the world?
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 7:31 p.m. EST by OWSNewPartyTakeNY2012
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If you do or don't why?
If by aliens, you mean intelligent, extraterrestrial life forms, which might include fallen angels, then my answer is yes. This is what the Bible teaches:
“For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.” — Ephesians 6:12.
Here is why the occupy movement needs to consider the possibility that these demonic forces, which overwhelmingly control the world today, are unconquerable by any force on earth: http://everythingimportant.org
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OK. You're insane.
Isn't the ego simply a natural product of evolution designed to help us survive? Why search for complicated answers in aliens when no evidence can be found to back that up?
you can see ego in many ways, survival ego is not the same as ego for gains.
There is the pleasure system and there is the reward system, one is meant for survival, the other is meant to encourage an attitude, like the ego god ideology.
And did I make any affirmations about what I said? no, I did not, i talked about possibilities, nothing else.
Ego for gains is also about survival. Survival instinct is embedded very deeply to the point that people will save for the future. We take all we can get. I don't see the need to invoke aliens to explain this. Religion is a way to protect our brains against the knowledge that we will die. It's also about survival instinct. When a creature is so intelligent that it can understand and foresee it's own death, this can easily lead to mental illnesses. Religion is a way to keep those mental illnesses at bay. Unfortunately, it creates other mental problems like living in a world of illusions.
Yes in a sense you are right, everything is about survival isn't it? Still, what if you think your attitude is for survival while it will cause death?
What if capitalism, no, better, the ego god ideology, is the fastest track to extinction? Then ego caused your death prematurely.
Anyway, I've always been against that scientific view that all there is to life is survival, I don't believe that at all. As for ego, I see it as a force of death, and if you tell me again it is the fundamental drive of life because you confound the instinctive survival drive of life with ego then i'll write two pages explaining how ego is the universal force of destruction.
The point I make is that there is a difference between doing something instinctively and doing it from consciousness.
Ego is the drive of life in species of limited intelligence. In lower species, all that matters is survival. A dog will kill his friend if it thinks it needs to do it to survive, even if they have been friends for life. I have seen it happen. When you reach a point of intelligence like humans, life is no longer just about survival. Most humans don't fear death every day because they will lack food, water, or other resources. After a certain amount of intelligence is reached the biggest enemy is boredom. Many old people are already dead because they are bored. Many young people commit suicide because they are bored. The only thing I'm saying about the ego is that I think it is absolutely natural and that it evolved from us trying to survive. Should we try to suppress it when immediate survival isn't necessary, sure, but it's hard because it is ingrained in us.
Our view do not differ that much, a little readjustment and we're almost walking hand in hand (not!), I made a mistake by saying survival ego, even if it make sense in principle, i could say there is survival, that can be confounded to an ego drive, and there is ego.
In the end it changes nothing to my belief that ego is the universal force of destruction, so encouraging humans to act in an ego fashion is not very good.
Ego is a force of destruction, but also construction. Ego is what drives humanity to stay alive. For example, a lot of people worry about Global Warming because they think it could destroy humanity in X amount of generations. If we didn't have egos, we wouldn't care one bit what happens to humanity. We believe we are important, and that is why we strive to survive. But, of course, survival is also about destroying others. A dog kills a rat to survive. Humans do the same. Without an ego, you would be empty. Self-identity is based on the ego. It's at the heart of who you are, for better, or for worse. The only people without ego are the Borg in Star Trek (they have a common ego), or zombies, or robots.
Sorry, I removed a point by mistake.
Didn't you say survival was the drive that kept us alive?
But you are right, without an ego we would be dead, no doubt about it, and altruism is no better than ego in a total fashion. My whole point was that it must not be encouraged through an ideology or a system, it must even be controlled in its excesses.
As for caring for humanity, we do because we got a consciousness, and care for others too, and got an ego too...
I say our current view of ego is not well defined enough.
Yes, survival is the drive that keeps us alive, and the ego is a natural result of evolution to help us survive. It's a tool for survival. In our age, after developing so much intelligence, boredom is also a problem, not just plain survival.
Your ego is essentially who you are. Without it, you would lose your self-identity. You'd be like a zombie. Everything we do essentially comes from the ego, even giving a gift. Maybe giving a gift is even especially egotistical. To be without ego is essentially impossible, and not desirable.
you don't have to repeat that point twice like I'm missing it, nothing new to me here, as for ego, I don't think it is a natural result of evolution, on that facet of things, while not going back to this ego=identity thing, or to a universal view, I say we chose to develop much of our ego attitudes. Again, don't see this in a total fashion, ego can help us to survive, or it can kill us.
Don't make me repeat that a third time.
Alright, we disagree. That's OK. Nice discussing the issue with you.
Allright, I don't think we disagree that much though.
No, just on the birth place of the ego. I think we both agree the ego needs to be controlled by our conscience. We aren't animals anymore, we have the ability to think and reflect instead of acting by our virile emotions.
Perhaps, it is difficult to believe that any humans are dumb enough to destroy the systems that sustain human life. It would be perhaps nicer to think that outside alien invaders have taken control of the fools running the show here.
However I have seen no proof of this, so I suspect it is just a good movie plot, and people are really so greedy and self-centered as to cut off their nose in-spite of their face. Sad really.
I do. Here is why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRQgVREbL_4
Long video, but massive amounts of good, and 'forbidden' info.
it seems like a very nice fairy tale.
And that's what people say when they judge books by their covers.
I don't necessarily believe everything that is portrayed; but nevertheless, it's good to know.
It's just that there are a lot of UFO sitings and governments around the world can't ever seem to get anything done for their people.
It's an interesting question, but it's hard to answer. We need more data. Can you provide the links with the best evidence? Photographs? Videos? I know there's a good chance it's true. Some say they live at the planet's core.
It's worse than that, I think we are the aliens.
I think the human mind is incredibly limited by the desire, need, of the quantitative measure of all things. We cannot decipher chaos, we cannot grasp the "impossible," if it cannot be defined through formulae it takes on "miraculous" proportion. I think there is a lot that we will never understand, or even observe, because we are incapable.
I made a trip to the cemetery yesterday, it's just one of the things human beings do. And as I looked around I had to ask myself, why are we doing this, why are we raising monuments to the dead? Not only do we raise monuments to the dead, as if to say our "kilroy was here," we also plant the body of kilroy, whose death has possibly killed some joy, under them. And then we worship.
And then I drove home, to glance about the yard where I've expended no minor energy to plant "grass," watered diligently so as to artificially enhance green, and pulled all manner of trees, bushes, even rocks from distant locations to reinstall in my yard. Why do we do this? We are decorating the free space about our homes, intended to shield us from the forces of nature, with symbols of nature? Why do we do this?
Well, nobody knows.. worse, we don't even ask the question - thousands of years of "philosophy" and it has simply never occurred to anyone that we should ask such questions.
We look outward because we cannot look inward; evolution does not permit us to do so.
obama is half white and half black. But they call him black. ALIEN.