Forum Post: Did you vote for Obama and the Democrats? Elections have consequences.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 8:48 a.m. EST by teddyr
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For all you people that were bright eyed with Hope and Change. Here it is. College kids: your group had the biggest following for Obama. Sucks to be folding my clothes eh? But, all is not lost. There are elections coming up. Let's hope the lessons have been learned.
There is no one to vote for, they are all puppets who receive millions of dollars to run their campaign, and the media is also to blame for their campaigning which creates all kinds of inequality for 3rd party elections.
Dem/Rep are playing good cop/bad cop every other election year or 8 years depending on what they think they can get away with. I say, scrap them both.
Troll thread. Don't bother commenting here.
Didn't vote for obama or mccain in the last election,been against this idiot since day one. Gave the guy plenty of chances but nothing good has come out of doing so.
When I saw Obama I could see through the manicured telecasts and telepromters. The guy has done nothing but self-promotion his whole life. Herman Cain is looking pretty good.
Democrats bad,republicans good. Republicans bad,democrats good. Break the cycle guy.
Hold on... I am a conservative here just poking fun at these cry babies. You gotta be me on team?
I hardly think that this is a site of cry babies, and I hardly think that if you are going to keep voting for the same 2 parties that have caused this problem that you should even think that for a second you have any room to complain or criticize.
Obama/Microsoft Illegal Campaign Contributions 2008
http://expotera-ceo.blogspot.com/2010/05/microsoft-illegal-campaign.html
watch: Obama deception on youtube...Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012
the arab spring was was about forcing the leaders who ran their countries to step down ...Obama`s resignation should be the #1 demand of occupy wall st if the movement is to be taken seriously
Eh, Obama has already gone lame duck. All he does is go on vacation. Focusing on the next election would be a wiser option.
Foucs, focus, focus. Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ButHdBiUJYk
Hey Folks,
The talking heads on Fox News are calling you anti-American and anti-capitalism. Granted, they're idiots, but I believe it's time to start making a point. What do you want?
Publicly funded elections? End to corporate welfare? End to tax breaks for millionaires?
You can't just use the Republican's mantra:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0
Yes I did and I also voted for George Bush in 2000, boy did that have consequences!!!! Wars and economic meltdown!!
Support Herman Cain!!! Not "the establishment".
yeah i know it. and he didn't even have any friction or resistance, not to mention he is the only governing branch in the entire country. too bad.
LOL, dude, you again? Really? Okay...
You mean, unlike voting for Bush, who lied to get us into a war? Unlike Bush, who was the first president in history to propose a $1 trillion budget deficit (source: http://tinyurl.com/3rl8xq6)? Unlike Bush who doubled the national debt in 8 years? Unlike Bush who promulgated tax cuts that didn't lead to jobs growth--only an increasingly declining jobs market? Unlike Bush, whose laissez faire policies actually helped increase the likelihood of meltdown? Unlike that guy?
And btw, if you want to marginalize the chances of integrating two very opposing sides, throwing the equivalent of verbal playground poop at those you disagree with is probably the best way to do it. Those who are unable to articulate themselves and deal in a civilized way with people they disagree with are usually self-destructing, and not taken very seriously.
But don't worry, there are people out there who want to build something--not destroy it, which is your goal.
Peace.
So, Obama does the same things but exponentially? You a Tea Party supporter?
Dude, really, you're sooo arrogant. Address the issues. Obama is a lot more right wing that any of his supporters knew he'd be--and he thought he was going to be negotiating with other statesmen after the Tea Party won the House. He was wrong about that--seriously wrong. He was also wrong that his "base" would support him regardless of what he did. That was a serious mistake.
But he also inherited a pretty shitty job, and a budgetary crisis and economy that no other president in history had to inherit. And people expect him to turn it around in a couple of years after Bush fucked up repeatedly? That's a little unrealistic, doncha think?
There are no black and white answers, but the Tea Party didn't get "accidentally hijacked"--they were against Obama from the beginning--and only started rallying after he took office. WTF were they when Bush was in office? And were was their big tent for democrats? Not here in April, 2009: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Tea_Party_Protest%2C_Hartford%2C_Connecticut%2C_15_April_2009_-_060.jpg
Zoom in on the "non co-opted" Tea Party members, and see how many people are democrats.
I'm interested in dialogue about ideas, but frankly, I don't see what the far right folks like you are bringing to this particular party--other than snark and arrogant "You're going to lose our support if you're not careful!" nonsense threats.
Ugh.
Your "Obama is more right wing" is funny. The dude worshiped Alinsky, was a community organizer. Oh, and of course the best sign of leadership is blaming everything and not owning up to the job. Then you watch what Obama has done and he is basically using Bush's legacy policies. Still waiting for him to withdraw troops? You still waiting for that Guatanomo Bay closing.
The Tea Party is awesome. They don't give a crap about favors or back scratching. They want the US to get its finances under control.
So everything that goes wrong in this country has to be a choice between either party to blame? Everybody is to blame for this mess even you. Yeah you are right, elections have consquences. Just count yourself as being lucky and not on the other side like the majority in this country
What other side. The rest of the country is working right now and doesn't give a damn about you babies...
watch: Obama deception on youtube...Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012
Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer. Stop flogging the tired old red versus blue team crap. Don't you know that voting is a waste of time and that it only exists to make us think we have choice? This mess is at least as much Bush's fault as Obama's (how's that Afghanistan thing going for us?). And we don't even have go back to Clinton (NAFTA).
I got news for you: your vote doesn't matter - http://lewrockwell.com/peters-e/peters-e102.html
Yes, you shouldn't vote. Give more weight to my vote please. Kept you r-tards away from the ballot box.
Give more weight to your vote for who? What brave leader of ours do you think could do a better job of sailing the U.S.S. Titanic?
To whom I choose of course. Don't worry you are in good hands.
oh, that's right - you know better than I do what's good for me. so do the people who are currently in charge.
liberals always say that, while they throw you in jail, take your money, give it to the people they think deserve it, and then tell you you should be grateful for free housing, free food, and free healthcare.
What an intellectual. Way to educate yourself. By the way, they just proved that our electronic voting machines can be hacked remotely by any nerd with an internet connection and less than $25 - http://thevotingnews.com/national/argonne-researchers-hack-diebold-e-voting-system-computerworld/
Yeah, no one in history ever stuffed a paper ballot box either... come on man.. ever read about Stalin's thoughts on voting?
Support Obama!
Are you serious?! I didn't vote for him the 1st time, and certainly won't this next time. Open your eyes: Obama is a corporate centrist, was never part of the anti-war movement, got elected by not saying anything meaningful, and now his "base" are finally jumping away in herds.
So voting for the other corporate party will make it all good again? lol
This is not a partisan movement,. the problem is the system, BOTH parties are right wing,. one is just batsht and the other pretends to be less crazy. Problem is, now we all see that going from Rethugs to Democraps actually changes so little that it makes no tangible difference. Both parties should be disbanded, and real democracy should replace this broken-added system.
He never mentioned that you should vote for Republicans. There are more than two parties you know.
Really? So when did this third party form the government?
form the government? I don't follow what you are asking?
When the United States started, the two parties were Whigs and Torys. At one point, Democrats and Republicans were also fringe parties.
Either way, if you think Republicans and Democrats are going to solve your problems, think again, both are on the take from the same corporations this movement protests.
well its obvious that 90% of the occupy wall st demonstrators are also Obama supporters why not just come out and admit it . and if your going to blame Bush for all your problems why didn`t you do it when he was in office?
Elections do have consequences... Clinton: NAFTA-Jobs Gone Bush-Deregulation-United States Economy collapses Obama-Stuck dealing with the pile of s**t. He has added to the pile, and tried to take away, but at least he has tried.
He has not tried, his policies and wars have only made the problem worse. The debt has climbed more in his tenure already than any other president.
Are you out of your mind? The republicans started 2 wars that they refused to pay for. THEY (George W) bailed out Wall Street, not Obama. He hadn't even been elected yet, much less in office. The Republicans pushed this country off a cliff, and then instead of helping put out safety nets, they spent the next 2 years blaming Obama for inventing gravity. Look at everything they've held up. Most of the legislation which was supposed to keep the financial crisis from happening again has been torpedoed by the Republicans. Their answer: less regulation. C'mon folks. In this 2 party system, we have the choice of a President who is trying to be progressive,or the Republicans, whose only purpose is to get him out of office, so they can get more money for their cronies. WAKE UP!!!! Get rid of that Supreme Court where the conservatives have declared that 1 dollar = 1 vote. The talking heads are saying you're anti-American. Remind them that Capitalism is an economic system, not a system of government. The lower and middle classes have paid for the Republican wars, not only with their tax dollars, but with the lives of 6000 of their children. Don't you think the millionaires should chip in a buck or two? How many of THEIR children are in the military, or in harm's way as a first responder. WE are paying for the infrastructure that makes THEM money. They don't want to pay for anything. We are paying to educate the people who make THEM money. Do you think the CEO of a drug company invents new drugs with his paycheck? No, it's the educated scientist whose education WE are paying for that invents those drugs. The CEO should chip in some of his ridiculous bonus to help bolster our schools and give teachers decent pay. When Eisenhower was president, the tax bracket for millionaires was 94%!!!! Now that the are supposed to pay taxes only like the rest of us, they want TAX BREAKS!! When did millionaires become welfare recipients?
Obama is just as bad as Bush ... Libya ... He did not keep one promise not one ... he bullshited us all ... Obama is a professional liar ... They are the same both parties work for the same people like Rothschild's.
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Get rid of the Supreme Court? Look up Glass Steagal Act. So Obama isn't getting money to his buddies: Solyndra... Come on.. such an amateur...
Obama cant just snap his fingers and get things done. He tried putting his foot down, and is trying to use different tactics to get everyone to work together to fix this country. But corporations (Most, if not all, Republicans) work against everything that would benefit our economy and the 99%!!!! Making it impossible for Obama to have any effective policies. Obama is fighting, and doing everything he can to slow the collapse of this country, hoping to buy the 99% enough time to do something about it. We have the power. I will be voting for Obama next election and we must do everything in our power to vote out republicans under corporate influence out of everything political.
What third party ... don't you notice the 1% doesn't allow third parties ... they don't even allow republican or democrats that they don't control ... Cmon Wake up
Whatever ... Obama is a professional liar ... Obama works for wall street ... Not one campaign promise ... How about we all get to see the bills being voted on 5 days before the vote. The bills will be posted online. The republicans didn't stop that Obama did. Obama is the same as republicans it is all lye's to make us think we have a choice. We lost our democracy... You don't get it ... they the 1% are trying are trying to co opt this protest and paint us as democrats ... and remove the tea party and republican leaning people from the protests ... United we stand divided we fall ...
yea, starting three or four wars is really trying hard. Do you think Obama is not under the same corporate influence? Try voting for a third party if you want change.
And, you are expecting things to change? What tactics? Increase regulations? Cut taxes? Stop spending? Stop wars? Please tell me..
Troll
Oh, you can't debate.... figures...
I can debate but this is about who's in office. It's the same sh*t no matter who the president is. The system is broken. Pinning one candidate against an other, or one party against another, just serves to polarize the movement hence my original statement... Troll.
Look at who has been on the Senate Banking committee since 1990. These are the guys in charge of the waste, fraud and abuse.
This economy was wrecked prior to Obama taking office. Remember Bush started the bailouts. Anyway, this has been going on for decades and is only now catching up with us in a way that can no longer be hidden.
Yup, but Obama has moved it to an entire new level.
Yes. He moved it from an economy that was shrinking to an economy that was growing again.
ahhaha.. ARE YOU SERIOUS! Growing in what capacity I must ask?
Growing in the "economic growth" capacity, as indicated by quarterly GDP reports.
In the last quarter of 2008, GDP shrank 8.9%. In the first quarter of 2009, GDP shrank 6.7%.
By the second quarter of 2009, thanks to the stimulus package, GDP only shrank 0.7% -- a tremendous turn around from the preceding two quarters.
Since then, GDP has grown in every single quarter.
So, yes, I am serious. The reality is that the economy was shrinking when Obama moved in, and has been growing ever since.
ahahah... where are the latest GDP numbers.. how about unemployment, welfare, food assistance...
The latest GDP numbers are for the 2nd quarter of 2011. In that quarter, GDP grew 1%. As I said, Obama has moved the economy from one that was shrinking to one that was growing again.
Unemployment and citizens' need to draw on welfare programs remain extremely high. The reason for this is simple: the economy shrank a lot but has only been growing at modest rates. (It would be an economic miracle for the economy to grow even 6.7% in a quarter, let alone 8.9%. But that's what would be needed to reverse the damage wrought by the Bush recession. It's easier to screw things up than to set them right.)
That's why it's so important to support Obama's jobs bill, which economists believe can help the economy grow an additional 1.5% -- perhaps as much as 2% -- beyond its current rate. If passed, the jobs bill will grow the economy, put people back to work, and get them off of welfare programs. That's something we should all be able to agree is a good thing.
Wow. So a few months ago we had the budget problem. Now he shows up and wants to spend more money. The Democrats don't even support this bill. Have they even proposed it in Congress. You know what will help? Cut, cut, cut, reform the tax code, drop people off the dole.. what about the stimulus and those shovel ready projects that never happened? Come on... quit trying to steal my money and spend it on crap...
As the numbers indicate and every scientific study of it has confirmed, the stimulus was tremendously effective at reversing the recession. When the stimulus bill passed, the economy was in freefall: GDP had shrunk 8.9% the previous quarter, and was still shrinking (it would wind up shrinking 6.7% in the first quarter of 2009, when the stimulus was passed).
What happened after it was passed? As the stimulus started to come into effect, the decline was halted: GDP shrank only 0.7% in the second quarter of 2009. The following quarter, GDP was growing again, and it has been growing ever since.
It is not the case that we had "the budget problem" a few months ago. What we had was a showdown about our long-term debt problem, which is still ahead of us. What that means is that we need to get the economy growing quickly again while we make the modest adjustments to social security, medicare, and taxes that are necessary to keep our long-term debt under control. With reduced long-term debt and increased economic growth, the debt problem can be solved. But with cutting government spending now, cutting government jobs now, cutting government income now, and cutting government aid now, we'll just have a weaker economy, higher unemployment, greater debt problems, and more people suffering.
So, you answer is to keep borrowing money and getting further in debt. You are assuming China will continue to loan. Soon the bond vigilantes are going to show up and demand more interest for their money. Then that will really slow the government down. The US already lost its AAA bond rating. But, thankfully people like you can't tell me to loan my money.
America is currently borrowing money at record-low rates. In fact, investors have been willing to LOSE money on short-term loans to the US -- lending at NEGATIVE interest rates -- on several occasions since the crisis began, because the US government is still the safest place to park money right now. That's the market saying: we don't know what private businesses to invest in anymore, so will the US please step up and spend some money to stimulate this economy.
China will continue to loan because its economy depends on robust US demand for its goods, which means a healthy US economy that empowers consumers. But we do not depend solely on China -- China owns only 16% of US debt.
It is worth noting that, since the US lost its AAA bond rating (from just one ratings agency, not the others, mind you), it has been able to borrow at LOWER interest rates than before. That means the market disagrees with S&P's assessment. It is worth noting that S&P was clear that their downgrade was not based on a loss of confidence in the US's ability to pay back its debt but in the ability of US politicians to do what needs to be done.
The best thing Americans can do today is to support the federal government. That means getting rid of corporate influence through regulation of lobbying and campaign finance so that the government is better equipped to stand up to Wall Street's greed. Only then can we do what we need to do in order get our economy growing fast: stimulate the economy, regulate markets, prosecute white-collar crime, and restore accountability.
Yeah, you are a lost cause. Thankfully you are poor.
If you were hoping to persuade me that bad economic policies founded in ideological faith are better than good economic policies founded in reality, then I will readily admit that I am a "lost cause".
However, I am lucky enough to have a fulfilling job and an adequate income, for which I am very thankful. It does not surprise me that you were mistaken about my economic class; you have a solid track record of being wrong in your economic judgments.
I would suggest that learning a little humility would do you good. If you are unable to understand the current political and economic situation (indeed, hardly anyone can really grasp it in full -- and I of course include myself here), then learn to be deferential to those who actually know something about it. There's no point in stubbornly sticking to faith-based principles that will only lead to further economic catastrophe. OWS is a reality-based movement: we seek real solutions to real problems. That's why our demands will be realized.
Yeah you are still in the dark....
It was spiraling down - that has continued. So far we can not agree on a real solution to the mess and it will continue to spiral out of control until we do.
For one quit spending money. Two reform the tax system. Three start weening people off of the government teat. I could keep going, but this is a good start.
As aliyatrinity said, we cannot agree on a real solution.
I am strongly opposed to our quitting to spend money. As every economist in the world recognizes, when money isn't spent, the economy shrinks.
I am in favor of reforming the tax system. My top priority here is to allow the Bush tax cuts for the rich to expire.
I strongly oppose "weening people off of the government teat" at this point. Just as a baby would starve if you weened it when no other food was available for it, so too would people starve if we removed them from unemployment insurance when no jobs are available, if we removed them from food stamps when they are unable to make enough money to provide themselves with adequate food, if we removed them from Medicare when there is no affordable insurance for them to buy.
Indeed, we need the government now more than ever, and the most important thing to do now is to strengthen the federal government. We need to regulate markets and prosecute white-collar crime. Only the federal government can truly hold Wall Street accountable.
ahhaha... well you are living it right now... OWS protesting is a good sign...I am all of cutting all the benefits. Time for people to pull their own weight.
Yes, OWS protesting is a good sign.
I look forward to when government starts doing its job and holds Wall Street accountable. That would amount to a total victory for OWS.
This President has shown how he can force change and drive the economy into the ditch. He did have help prior to getting there from Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Franklin Raines and many others in the house and Senate.
A president cannot force change, only the will of the people can.
Wow, ever heard of the executive branch? Do you know what it does?
DO you know the job of Congress?? It's on Congress to pass a budget, not the President... And what if the representatives have been "bought" by corporate interests, etc... not really a public servant are they.
Well since the Dems took over in 06 there has not been a budget. The President approves the budget. The House controls the money. Wow, you just won't let go of the "reps are bought off" idea.
As I said before, WHAT if these representatives CONTINUE to satisfy private interests and that is why we can't get anywhere...
Yeah, you are a broken record. Be happy you can vote.
speak for yourself.
You are on the wrong street. You should be on Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC. That's where the bailout artist lives.
You are on the wrong street. You should be on Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC. That's where the bailout artist lives.
Your statement is general and makes no sense, perhaps you could make some follow-up statements to provide a point. I for one don't see Obama as being a part of the major problem, as the fraud that led to our predicament was rampant during Bush administration. I see self-serving interests and corruption and greed cited by recent discoveries of fraud.
For me, I don't believe in entitlement at all. I think that corporate welfare and public welfare have been abused and need to be addressed... IMEDIATELY!
I work hard everyday and I have a good job, but in the last 4 years since I graduated from college I have seen my salary lowered each year while having to take on "extra work", while also paying higher percentage into a failed retirement system that won't even go towards my retirement... IS THIS CAPITALISM??? I live paycheck to paycheck and I pay all my bills on time, but I am ENRAGED to learn that as taxpayer we are being hit 3 times harder than the original terms of the bailout, allow to share my perspective.
taxpayers BAILED-OUT the big banks in order to prevent global economic collapse
taxpayers learn that over the last 10 years “widespread FRAUD from WELLS FARGO, BANK of AMERICA, J.P. MORGAN CHASE and GMAC Mortgage, pick-pocketed VETERANS for millions of dollars...
the liability of this fraud has been shoved on the federal government (Dept. of Veteran Affairs).”
NOW the taxpayers have to pay to investigate this fraud!!!
ENOUGH is ENOUGH, justice is HERE… DEMOCRACY LIVES!!!
This movement is about JUSTICE for the criminal behavior on Wall St. that stole from taxpaying citizens and the government…
Do you want justice also?
“The lawsuit accuses WELLS FARGO, BANK of AMERICA, J.P. MORGAN CHASE and GMAC Mortgage, of engaging in “a brazen scheme to defraud both our nation’s veterans and the United States treasury” of millions of dollars in connection with home loans guaranteed by the VA."
“This is a very significant case,” Patrick Burns, spokesman for the non-profit Taxpayers Against Fraud, said Tuesday. “It deals with WIDESPREAD FRAUD from VETERANS who were personally pick-pocketed for hundreds if not thousands of dollars, and the liability has been shoved on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.”
“During the past decade, more than 1.2 MILLION of the refinanced loans made to VETERANS and their families, and up to 90 % may have been affected by the alleged fraud, according to attorneys for the plaintiffs.”
Oct. 4, 2011 - Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/suit-alleges-banks-and-mortgage-companies-cheated-veterans-and-us-taxpayers/2011/10/04/gIQATp4RLL_story.html
Hmmm.. Obama is contributing to all you posted. Why you bring up Bush? We have a new President? Let me guess... the blame game...
Once again you bring no point forward, and ignore the points I made... keep covering your eyes and ears and hope this goes away, but problems that were created by people have to be solved by people.
Yes, we elect representatives. Go on...
And what if the representatives have been "bought" by corporate interests, etc... not really a public servant are they.
There will be another election in a few years.
Wow do you fix all problems this way? Fill the hole in the sinking ship with another plug that doesn't fit?
The definition of insanity is according to Albert Einstein: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
I must be clear then: you vote in different people. Wow you are really slow.
I don't vote by party, I vote by person... clearly some of the people holding office don't represent the values of honesty and integrity that this country was founded on. You fail to acknowledge the blatant corruption and stealing of taxpayers hard earned money. Millionaires and Billionaires are not all bad, but certain corporations have placed short-sited profits at the expense of VETERANS, and now taxpayers have to the foot bill AGAIN. Either you are in the 1% who does not want the TRUTH to come out, or your disillusioned and should do some research on your own outside the main stream media.
Oh we will never hear the complete truth. Thing are always going to happen and people are going to get screwed. Hence, when you change power you put in the new people. Once they get corrupted you change again.
We will have to agree to disagree... the judicial system in place was designed to bring forth justice where justice is due and everyone is innocent until proven guilty. WE have the RIGHT to know the truth... IF we do nothing, it would no different than pretending Nazi genocide wasn't true.
You are annoying,,, go bug someone else...
Clearly you are here to bug US.
Folks, don't forget that you don't have to wait around for one's term to be up (another election). There is something you can do today to get them out of office - RECALL them.
No I didn't. He was obviously making promises for the sake of getting naive people to vote for him. His entire messages was hollow. Hope - people will always hope for what they want. Change - people always desire the change they want. Without specifics and promising to alone fix the world he outed himself as a pompous egotists with every speech.
I ended up not voting for a President as there was no one I could earnestly support by the time the Presidential election came about.
Need to put in a "none of the above" option in.
Yes something that says "I bothered to vote and they all suck." and if it gets 20 or 30% they are forced to have another election.
Did you vote for GWB and the R Congress in 2000? Elections have consequences... thus the Bush recession of 08. Let's hope lessons have been learned.
Hell yes I did. You think Al Gore or John Kerry would have done anything. They probably would have apologized to the terrorist for putting a building in the way of the plane.
I'm rooting for Michelle Bachman/Jesse Ventura. An all Minnesotan ticket. Sort of like Lake Wobegon.
Jesse Ventura is awesome. Bachman, not so much.
I just like the idea of two Minnesotans running together. Sort of the Scandinavians taking over the US.
The problem is the Tea Party and their destructive debt ceiling idiocy.
Obama or Romney in 2012 doesn't matter so much, but kicking the Tea Party OUT of the House and Senate DOES MATTER.
So, no debt ceiling is good? Making the government live within some limits is bad? Do you realize they are spending money that your grandkids will be paying back? Are you financially sound? If you practiced this personally then you would be in bad shape.
What people fail to understand that criticism of Obama is not an automatic endorsement of the Republican party. Until we can get over that stigma, the right-left paradigm, we will have no progress.
So, let me get this right... you people in the OWS were just happy until you lost your job or some other economic blight? And you are against the people that create your economic opportunities?
"For all you people that were bright eyed with Hope and Change. Here it is. College kids: your group had the biggest following for Obama. Sucks to be folding my clothes eh? "
LOL, dude, you again? Really? Okay...
You mean, unlike voting for Bush, who lied to get us into a war? Unlike Bush, who was the first president in history to propose a $1 trillion budget deficit (source: http://tinyurl.com/3rl8xq6)? Unlike Bush who doubled the national debt in 8 years? Unlike Bush who promulgated tax cuts that didn't lead to jobs growth--only an increasingly declining jobs market? Unlike Bush, whose laissez faire policies actually helped increase the likelihood of the meltdown by the 1%? Unlike that guy?
BTW, if you want to marginalize the chances of integrating two very opposing sides, throwing the equivalent of verbal playground poop at those you disagree with is probably the best way to do it. Those who are unable to articulate themselves and deal in a civilized way with people they disagree with are usually self-destructing, and not taken very seriously.
But don't worry, there are people out there who want to build something--not destroy it--which is your goal. You need a new hobby, because you're not terribly good at this one.
Peace.
So you supported Obama?
Not the point: I'm against hypocrisy and name-calling, and you're for both.
You don't address other peoples' concerns, you just sit there and throw bombs. You don't know how to engage in civil discourse or basic polemic. Use facts and data, and address the issues.
Snarky sarcasm is useless and puerile. You want to be taken seriously? Act like an adult.
I am. Sit down son. Shut up.
LOL. That was actually somewhat funny. Of course, you haven't addressed a single point. But hey, that's not really your strength apparently, but maybe some standup at Caroline's? Other than Dennis Miller, you'd be the country's only other right-wing comedian.
Yeah, you are boring me now... go away
answer the question!
What is your question?
No answer the question that was already asked from groobiecat2.
Oh, I have moved on... he was boring...
Convenient. Come back when you can use facts to make your case, mmkay? That's what the big kids do...
I'm sorry, I thought I was defending you.