Forum Post: Democrat Infiltration: Need Tips to Prevent
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 11, 2011, 7:07 a.m. EST by annnnooon
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Involved in a local movement just getting off the ground. Almost certain we already have an infiltration of the Democratic party wishing to use the base we are creating to support OWS for their own agenda: to promote the Democratic party.
They do no know we are aware of what they are doing. They are making strong effort to turn this into THEIR agenda. This is not a democrat revolution or a movement to get more democrats in office.
They have access to resources the rest of us do not, and I am sure they will use this to try to get our members obligated to promote their cause.
How do you recommend we put an end to this? Even better, is there a way to subvert those who wish to subvert us?
They can jump infront of the parade, but if he turns the wrong way he will be shocked to find himself alone once again.
Easiest way to scare the dems & reps off is to make explicitly bipartisan demands like calling for the simultaneous arrest of Bush and O(b/s)ama for war crimes.
Look at this, it's what we'll be up against once the general election begins in earnest:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-plans-to-turn-anti-wall-street-anger-on-mitt-romney-republicans/2011/10/14/gIQAZfiwkL_story.html
DEAR INDIVIDUAL READING THIS, What must we as people do to fight this grave injustice inflicted upon us, by the ones who lust for power? How can we end the reign of the wicked and immoral and mete JUSTICE upon the oppressors as we have suffered from their hands-their blood stained hands... An idea of REVOLUTION-no, the act of revolution enacted by the proletarians! Must we as individuals ,as is always done, remain pawns to these people, these monoliths that we alone as individuals cannot surmounted...I surmise that we are not ignorant to the woes inflicted upon us by their enormities? We must UNIFY! Unity will be the way in which we assert ourselves!...While I realize all are not are not without income or funds and many cannot unify with this growing movement do to reasons of possible opposition and they being the people I'm question who we oppose (Wall Street), and many have responsibility they must tend to that take precedence. We must rise and vanquish this behemothto restore the equilibrium, for when disturbed it causes much chaos and strife in the hearts of man( man being neutral to represent all genders) in his mind and when mans mind and soul are in chaos as many are they rise to vanquish the pestiferous wealthy. However we should not just target these individuals, each of us individually must confront the corruption in our hearts, how can we judge the corrupt and deem them so when we cannot be amenable for ourselves we will surely be deemed hypocrites as we will be.....I am not meaning to say that this protest is in any way unjust, for far too long have we suffered, I mean that we are expected to expiate our sins -assume our parts in the problems we face and how we may have caused it. Yes, the Bankers on Wall Street are corrupt in ways we don't have evidence of without an investigation. But as we suffer soshall they, for we will make it so. But what of our government I say, my fellow citizens do not neglect to Confront the complicit in this affair for the roots of corruption are deeply seated, we have silent enemies amongst us-be warned that although succession in our goals will happen we may face a greater threat to our rights granted unto us from birth be prudent and circumspect. Another issue I wish to address is the idea of mans continual corruption as all things will be permeated with this darkness Inside our hearts.......when a system is created it always deviates from the righteous path, for nations we have learnt of in our education are littered with tales of nations that became corrupt and faded Into the ruin of collapse, we know that a society without corruption is utterly inconceivable, impossible in ways each and everyone of us know...for as long as men exist so shall our inner evil....but I digress from my original Intent of this passage and I ask forgiveness as we must forgive all in all eventual....the rising potentiality of this movement is quite an astonishment, I thought we were not capable of such things and thus I admit I had less faith in my fellow man. I see that we have all come to the realization of the need to bring the greedy to justice, although the reasons for your protesting may be unique to you, you share many goal, I had prognostications, inklings seems more appropriate of a term, that one day man would wake to realize the greater truth outside of his/her reality, and break the cycles of obsession with superficial base needs and trite motives, a dull and predictable lot we were but we've surpassed that I hope....for if not we will founder and fall Into the patterns we had grown so accustomed to, living such prosaic pedestrian lives stultified by the elite and of our own ignorance we always have the means to educate ourselves in this age, we have no limits to what we may learn based on our status in society, the powerful can no longer succeed in keeping us stupefied we have freewill to reason and learn and form our own ideas, ideas that would otherwise have died by the hands of the bigots! Our endeavours shall be crowned with fruition of our goals for our will allows it, we have broken free from the will of the oppressors.... part...now it is your turn...as Desmond Tutu stated "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." YOURS TRULY- Aaron Thomas Bridge
The "Big Money" is starting to show up everywhere. Using some of it to the advantage of the OWS cause is not a bad idea on the surface. The problem is....as we have witnessed before.......money can corrupt. Keep your guard up, and good luck.
Thanks. Yeah, that's what I was thinking exactly. We've clarified this is nonpartisan, but one member is very involved in the local Democratic stuff here. Their donations were very helpful today, and I am sure the ones who did it did so sincerely, not because of some secret desire to subvert. I'm wary of their doing too much...
You have hit on a major point here. Was it the bankers that took the "bail-out" money that did wrong? Or, was it the Bush and Obama administrations that did wrong? Or, was it both? Just something to ponder.
Yes, yes and yes... There was a massive collusion of greed and all involved parties participated
Haven't gotten a lot of sleep lately... what are you suggesting? Not accepting donations from them?
Personally.....I would take the money. I would also "thank" them for it; However, I would make it clear as to how the money will be used, and for who's "cause".
If only our government would do the same. Wishful thinking at this point.
haha, yeah, seriously. Okay, yes, that's a great plan. I definitely thanked them, and the main guy working with their party and us has also agreed to keep his politics out of it. We'll remain wary, but let them know that so long as they're not trying to push their agenda, we're grateful for their help. Thanks you.
I agree that this is cause for concern. OWS needs to make it plain it is not for the Democrats. We could call on Obama to resign, or at least make a public statement naming Obama as part of the problem. A public position of opposition to the Democrats would be a good way of making it difficult for them to infiltrate.
If we make it plain it's not for Democrats, we'll remove the majority of our current base! I don't oppose Democrats in this, I welcome them. But I also welcome all other political affiliations. Stating we oppose Democrats goes against the whole purpose, IMO. We need to get beyond this stupid black/white thinking we have. We don't want to alienate the Dems- we just don't want them to take this movement over.
I'm not talking about alienating people who formerly voted for Democrats. I'm talking about telling the corrupt Democrat politicians to bugger off. Surely you don't disagree.
"No party affiliation! signs?" BIG, BOLD, PLENTIFUL. Or the good ole..."Not with stupid-->>" Use same tactics for any party affiliated person trying to co-opt for their parties agenda.
The easiest way to get Democrats to disassociate with #OWS is to inform everyone that o(b/s)ama is a third generation CIA asset. See Pastor Manning's interview of Wayne Madsen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvJ3lRElnEo
Politicians will always jump in front of a parade, thats how it is supposed to work...we create a movement and politicians jump aboard the train, they just need the occasional tap in the shoulder and whisper in the ear reminding them that if they screw around, we will not take it. The reason they do not jump aboard early is because they fear looking like an idiot if they get rejected. If they do get rejected then the politician lost your respect and your opposition's respect also...nowhere to run..dammit :P Now they come to us and we keep them honest.
How easily we can Reform Wall Street--Simple & Direct
It's Time for a Million People March on Washington, D.C. to Reform Wall Street--Time to take back our Country from their Influence over OUR lawmakers! Here's how easily we can do it, a focused good start: Take away their powers "once again."
"We are here Congress because we want to REINSTATE the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp#axzz1aPEc3wX which saved our country from the Great Depression by preventing banks and insurance companies from merging and becoming large brokerage firms; instead of Banks and Insurance companies--can't we learn a history lesson here Congress? Btw, why did most of you vote for its repeal in 1999? http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/09/19/shattering-the-glass-steagall-act/
And also we want you to CHANGE the Commodities Future Modernization Act of 2000http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Futures_Modernization_Act_of_2000 BACK to where it was before 2000, which since has deregulated energy markets and has allowed such scams as The Enron Loophole; whereas in the early 2000's Enron Corp. was charging 400 bucks plus for a kilowatt hour...They all when to jail for this. But, the Enron loophole is still not CLOSED, for example, allowing speculators to resell barrels of oil over and over again before it reaches the gas station owner. It's basically, legal gambling at our expense. What were those lawmakers thinking then? What are you thinking now? Either do the right thing, or you're part of 1%."
Reasons:
Why are oil prices high? The Enron Loophole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTGYQBMU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNp0y0SjOkY&feature=related
Rolling Stones Reporter: Truth about Goldman Sachs--how they have cornered the markets--basically, The Enron Loophole and the Repeal of Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waL5UxScgUw
I am shocked that you guys invited polish Solidarity leader Mr Lech Walesa to participate in your protest ... Don't you know the truth about him that he always was a paid agent of polish communist Security Services ? There were books published in recent 3 years which revealed the truth about Mr Walesa past - books written by polish PHD historians Mr Gontarczyk and Ceckiewicz - with documents found in the archives of former polish communist Secret Services files which revealed all the facts. How come americans who always strive for truth don't know it ? Inviting such a person makes a laughing stock out of your movement ... signed kukula@shaw.ca
I am shocked that you guys invited polish Solidarity leader Mr Lech Walesa to participate in your protest ... Don't you know the truth about him that he always was a paid agent of polish communist Security Services ? There were books published in recent 3 years which revealed the truth about Mr Walesa past - books written by polish PHD historians Mr Gontarczyk and Ceckiewicz - with documents found in the archives of former polish communist Secret Services files which revealed all the facts. How come americans who always strive for truth don't know it ? Inviting such a person makes a laughing stock out of your movement ... signed kukula@shaw.ca
stick to getting money out of politics and taming the financial system (break up banks, reinstate some version of glass steagall, raise capital requirement and convertible debt requirements) these are bipartisan/nonpartisan issues (evidence: Buddy Roemer)
Many more people will come to your side when you are proactive (for “new” Business & Government solutions), instead of reactive (against “old” Business & Government solutions), which is why what we most immediately need is a comprehensive “new” strategy that implements all our various socioeconomic demands at the same time, regardless of party, and although I'm all in favor of taking down today's ineffective and inefficient Top 10% Management System of Business & Government, there's only one way to do it – by fighting bankers as bankers ourselves; that is, using a Focused Direct Democracy organized according to our current Occupations & Generations. Consequently, I have posted a 1-page Summary of the Strategically Weighted Policies, Organizational Operating Structures, and Tactical Investment Procedures necessary to do this at:
http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategic_legal_policy_organizational_operational_structures_tactical_investment_procedures
Join
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/
because we need 100,000 “support clicks” at AmericansElect.org to support a Presidential Candidate -- such as any given political opportunist you'd like to draft -- in support of the above bank-focused platform.
Most importantly, remember, as cited in the first link above, that as Bank Owner-Voters in your 1 of 48 "new" Business Investment Groups (or "new" Congressional Committees) you become the "new" Congress replacing the "old" Congress according to your current Occupation & Generation, called a Focused Direct Democracy.
Therefore, any Candidate (or Leader) therein, regardless of party, is a straw man, a puppet; it's the STRATEGY – the sequence of steps – that the people organize themselves under, in Military Internet Formation of their Individual Purchasing & Group Investment Power, that's important. In this, sequence is key.
Why? Because there are Natural Social Laws – in mathematical sequence – that are just like Natural Physical Laws, such as the Law of Gravity. You must follow those Natural Social Laws or the result will be Injustice, War, etc.
The FIRST step in Natural Social Law is to CONTROL the Banks as Bank Owner-Voters. If you do not, you will inevitably be UNJUSTLY EXPLOITED by the Top 10% Management Group of Business & Government who have a Legitimate Profit Motive, just like you, to do so.
Consequently, you have no choice but to become Candidates (or Leaders) yourselves as Bank Owner-Voters according to your current Occupation & Generation.
So please JOIN the 2nd link so we can make our support clicks at AmericansElect.org when called for, at exactly the right time, by an e-mail from that group, in support of the above the bank-focused platform in the 1st link. If so, then you will see and feel how your goals can be accomplished within the above strategy as a “new” Candidate (or Leader) of your Occupation & Generation.
take your earmuffs off and listen to what they have to say...and learn a thing er two er three
We need to put pressure on Obama. He's the president, he's the one with power, he's the one who renegged on half his campaign promises, and most importantly, HE'S UP FOR REELECTION NEXT YEAR. I think the best way to avoid becoming a platform for Democratic reelection is to call out Obama directly and demand that he support the people he was elected by and elected to serve.
Dont let them co-opt this,
Keep going with the movement as it has started and as it exists now. In order for the Democrats to use the movement for their own ends they will have to address the issues presented by the movement now. They will try to make campaign promises that are in line with the message, but you can take campaign promises in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first. Push for them to start making changes now, the elections mean little, and actions speak louder than words.
Good luck and God speed,
Thanks. The thing is, I tend to be in agreement with Democratic ideals and I think that many of us do. We've all agreed (aloud) we want this to be non-partisan, but I'm seeing the subtle subversion. As someone mentioned below- the donations being handed out. They were definitely helpful. But here's the thing: most of the Democrats I believe are behind this, just honestly believe in this movement and that they are doing good. I think they just honestly want to help out. As I said, I'm in agreement with most Democratic ideals... but we already see how well the 2-party system works here. We need to move beyond the either/or thinking. How do I do those things you said?
Be careful with that; look at what the Democratic cause is and compare it to the consensus that's starting to emerge from the movement. If the two are irreconcilably different, then by all means get rid of 'em. If, however, you and they have points in common, then use their support rather than blindly opposing them. Get commitments from as many of them as you can on the issues you share a viewpoint on, and then just ignore them if they want anything more.
Be alert for the sudden appearance of new people with a lot of money or freebies to give.
Yep. Already happening.
Why would we not want the Dems. GOP not an option at this time. 3rd party practically unlikely. Obama has been far too moderate -- gave away the store. However, I believe that he can be forced to fight the fight.
My advice: let them. What magic do we possess that the polits want? Give it to them. Move on and start from the other corner. This is a movement. It scares the shit out them. Keep moving forward and we will prevail in the end. Beat us up, jail us, spy on us, bring in the scoops (like Boston). Just keep moving.
Yes you subvert them by beating them by staying the course. Secret Squirrel is a republican.