Forum Post: Defense Bill includes the waiver of habeas corpus. WTF is going on in this looney bin of a country??
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 7, 2011, 11:41 p.m. EST by ThunderclapNewman
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The Defense Bill that included the ability to indefinately detain US citizens without trial has passed the US Senate by a vote of 93 -7. Citizens would be able to appeal their detention after 1 year. Screw the 4th Amendment?? In 2007 then presidential candidate Barrack Obama pledged an end to such activities if he were elected. He was going to close Guantanimo. Now he's starting to sniff around again for my vote with his big speech in Missouri yesterday. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
"Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Benjamin Franklin
Thanks to all for your replies in this thread. I am just so very angry that this sort of thing isn't branded immediately an unpatriotic and unamerican and those who propose such things aren't run out of town on a rail.
Suspension of The Constitution and disregard of The Geneva Conventions...Ahhh, someone please tell me to shut up. I'm sick of hearing myself rant about this stuff. - Thunderclap
It is the broken systems allergic reaction to the massive uprising of the people that make up the nations of the world. Perhaps we need to redefine what makes true leadership.
"WTF is going on in this looney bin of a country??"
Apathy.
I think too many idiots think they know it all.
That's what happens when your government and big business owns you. Wake up people.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!” - JOIN THE REVOLUTION Read “Common Sense 3.1” at ( www.revolution2.osixs.org )
Suspend Habeas Corpus???? Abe Lincoln did this and eventually the US Supreme Court ruled it was Unconstitutional. Abe was dead when the court passed their decision. Interment of Japanese Americas was ruled Unconstitutional. The interment camps were closed down.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus_in_the_United_States
The death and the decay of democracy. In another note the first amendment is history. If you are not a legitamate journalist you will soon have no right to voice your opinion as is evident with all of the occupy detainees and a recent court decision. On a darker note you can be assured that anyone who supports this movement will be targeted as an alleged terror suspect. It will become self evident when you try to board a flight and will not be allowed to do so. Be aware if you find things that have been misplaced within your dwelling. Check your PC event logs frequently. The US Constitution at this point is only a vauge memory. In the very near future your homes will be invaded and your guns will be confiscated as the new North American NATO treaty is ratified. The US Supreme Court is about to lose its power as well.
You should try reading the whole bill. There's so many things wrong on it, it's pretty disturbing. In fact, the selling of the military equipment to the local police everyone's talking about now was on the same bill.
its going to be a Mccarthyist witch-hunt for the dissenters now
Admiral and Judge Advocate General Says Indefinite Military Detention Of U.S. Citizens Is A Win For Terrorists: “The Enemy Is Just Laughing Over This, Because They Will Have Gotten Another Victory”
::::::::::::The U.S. Hands the Terrorists a Big Win::::::::::::
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/admiral-and-judge-advocate-general-says-indefinite-military-detention-of-u-s-citizens-is-a-win-for-terrorists-the-enemy-is-just-laughing-over-this-because-they-will-have-gotten-another-victory.html
-December 13, 201-
Top counter-terrorism officials have said for years that indefinite detention increases terrorism. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/top-counter-terrorism-experts-indefinite-detention-will-increase-terrorism.html
As Huffington Post notes... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/indefinite-military-detention-former-admiral_n_1144121.html ...today, the indefinite detention bill passed by the Senate last week hands the terrorists a big win:
(((Continue Reading this article Here))) http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/admiral-and-judge-advocate-general-says-indefinite-military-detention-of-u-s-citizens-is-a-win-for-terrorists-the-enemy-is-just-laughing-over-this-because-they-will-have-gotten-another-victory.html
Yes, this bill is in the House right now (they are resolving the differences of S.1867 bill to their own bill which passed back in May). The names of those on the Committee working on resolving the differences/ finalizing the bill is listed on this link. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1540 This bill could go to the White House this week.
Please call these congressmen/women who are on the committee and let them know how you feel about this awful bill. I hope and pray that it gets vetoed by President Obama. It is completely Fascist and unconstitutional--it really should not pass in the first place. Shame on our Congress for creating such bills in the first place.
It's not a looney bin, it's a for-profit prison camp! Yay :/
There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas. Probably in Tennessee. That says, fool me once shame on shame on...you. Fool me...........you can't get fooled again...vote Ron Pau!
Yes, the fool me once was The Patriot Act that opened the door for the fourth amendment to be overridden. The fool me twice is this monstrosity of a bill S. 1867 N.D.A.A. that is a complete rape of our constitutional rights.
When will the American people WAKE UP to what iS going on here? We need to protest this. The time is NOW!!!
The Revolution has a new song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P89PlNkk0eY&feature=related
http://occupywallst.org/forum/make-a-stand-join-the-clan/
The Revolution starts here!
::::::::Jon Stewart on Indefinite Detention of Americans::::::::
((Video)) http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/jon-stewart-on-indefinite-detention-of-americans.html
-December 8, 2011-
Obama Wants to Veto the Indefinite Detention Bill Because It Would Hold the U.S. to the Geneva Convention
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/the-real-reason-for-obamas-threat-to-veto-the-indefinite-detention-bill-hint-its-not-to-protect-liberty.html
-December 5, 2011-
(WashingtonsBlog) I – like everyone else – am horrified by the Senate’s passage of legislation that would allow for indefinite detention of Americans. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/americans-are-military-targets-in-the-war-on-terror.html
And at first, I – like many others – assumed that Obama’s threat to veto the bill might be a good thing. But the truth is much more disturbing.
As former Wall Street Street editor and columnist Paul Craig Roberts correctly notes: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28030
The Obama regime’s objection to military detention is not rooted in concern for the constitutional rights of American citizens. The regime objects to military detention because the implication of military detention is that detainees are prisoners of war. As Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin put it: Should somebody determined “to be a member of an enemy force who has come to this nation or is in this nation to attack us as a member of a foreign enemy, should that person be treated according to the laws of war? The answer is yes.”
Detainees treated according to the laws of war have the protections of the Geneva Conventions. They cannot be tortured. The Obama regime opposes military detention, because detainees would have some rights. These rights would interfere with the regime’s ability to send detainees to CIA torture prisons overseas. [Yes, Obama is still apparently allowing "extraordinary renditions" to... http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/is-nobel-peace-prize-winner-obama-more-brutal-than-bush.html ...torture people abroad.] This is what the Obama regime means when it says that the requirement of military detention denies the regime “flexibility.”
The Bush/Obama regimes have evaded the Geneva Conventions by declaring that detainees are not POWs, but “enemy combatants,” “terrorists,” or some other designation that removes all accountability from the US government for their treatment.
By requiring military detention of the captured, Congress is undoing all the maneuvering that two regimes have accomplished in removing POW status from detainees.
A careful reading of the Obama regime’s objections to military detention supports this conclusion. (See http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/sap/112/saps1867s_20111117.pdf)
The November 17 letter to the Senate from the Executive Office of the President says that the Obama regime does not want the authority it has under the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), Public Law 107-40, to be codified. Codification is risky, the regime says. “After a decade of settled jurisprudence on detention authority, Congress must be careful not to open a whole new series of legal questions that will distract from our efforts to protect the country.”
In other words, the regime is saying that under AUMF the executive branch has total discretion as to who it detains and how it treats detainees. Moreover, as the executive branch has total discretion, no one can find out what the executive branch is doing, who detainees are, or what is being done to them. Codification brings accountability, and the executive branch does not want accountability.
Those who see hope in Obama’s threatened veto have jumped to conclusions if they think the veto is based on constitutional scruples.
U.S. Says Americans Are MILITARY Targets in the War on Terror … And Says that Only the White House – and Not the Courts – Gets to Decide Who Is a Legitimate Target
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/12/americans-are-military-targets-in-the-war-on-terror.html
-December 2, 2011-
::::::::Top Counter-Terrorism Experts: Indefinite Detention Will INCREASE Terrorism::::::::
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/03/top-counter-terrorism-experts-indefinite-detention-will-increase-terrorism.html
-March 9, 2011-