Forum Post: Day Trading Eclipses Corporate Greed
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 26, 2011, 5:19 a.m. EST by RonPaul
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Day trading is a terrible selfish act that is exploiting the American people. A day trader is not an investor. They do not have interest investing in a corporation to build a better America. They are not interested in the growth of American companies and the employment of the American people. Day traders use volatility of stock markets to skim a profit with day, hour, or minute trades. This type of trading further increases the volatility. It creates a feedback cycle that if allowed to continue will prolong the current suffering of the American people. These trades are having numerous negative effects on our economy including artificial inflation of stock prices, flash market crashes, and the creation of bubbles. These effects cause companies to fail and others to become over-valued. These effects cost Americans jobs and retirement investments. What is to come as more trades are made by computer programs and artificial intelligence with micro-second trades in order to capitalize on small fluctuations in stock value? What is to come as the efficiency of the day trade skimming increases? Do we as Americans want an increasingly volatile stock market or do we want increasing stability in the stock market? We as Americans cannot allow this greed to continue weakening a backbone of our economy. We must end day trading. The stock markets need investors for a better America. The stock markets need to be free of the few selfish who are using exploits at the expense of the American people.
Please get this message out to America.
I cannot agree more.
"America, this is our moment. This is our time. Our time to turn the page of the policies of the past."
Mr. O... What has changed?
Answer: everything you wanted me to stop, I have continued full force ahead in Bush's footsteps. As the freight train heads towards the proverbial cliff, I'm adding more fuel to the steam engine! And more drones to our arsenal, more U.S. citizen 'terrorists' to our assassination list, more nukes to threaten other nations with, more prisoners at Gitmo, more torture professionals to glean important sensitive 'information', more bailouts for your favorite corporations, more funny money, and more bonuses for CEO fatcats.
http://algoxy.com/ows/strategyofamerica.html
But what will become of me?
Yes, your own self-interest trumps all. Perhaps you may be relocated, to a less-than-gilded age, one where you will have to work and struggle and hopefully recognize the humanity within you that you didn't know existed.
Gilda:
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RonPaul and BarackObama in agreement. I'm not sure what to think about that.
Since when? I don't think they agree on much, if anything.
I didn't mean the politicians. It was a joke in reference to the username that started the post and the first poster on this thread. What makes it all the more hilarious are the other usernames I just noticed when I scanned down the page. Big time ROFLMAO :-)))) This was the funniest post I've seen since I got on this site. Glad to see so many of us still have a sense of humor.
lol, I get it...
Agree!
Is someone fucking with your teleprompter again?
LOL
Barack:
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Why? up until recently the policies of the past have bought prosperity, recessions are a natural part of the cycle of economics.
I'de sure like to day trade that Mrs. Palin gal.
Let me shake the dust off my walls.
Memsahib:
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My 9-9-9 plan is the answer to this issue. See, I'll tax the day traders with my 9-9-9 and then the govenrment will have a lot more money. With all this extra money the government could hire all you occupiers that have not found a job due to the volatile nature of the stock market being exploited by day traders.
Flip that 9-9-9 over and you get 6-6-6. The devil is in the details! The devil is clever enough to trick Mr. Cain into approving the mark of the beast. We will all perish if we don't destroy Islam.
Speaking of the devil....your photo on Newsweek?
Please,, Day traders already pay capital gains taxes.
May not be a bad idea...more detail will be needed.
the 666 plan? Really? please check out http://www.freepatriotism.com
Your not really Herman Cain
Fool. I am the GodFather.
It's Herb Cain, just ask Michelle. Ask her about that Hoot- Smalley thing too.
Hello My Children,
I know you are all angry at the moment. Don't be mad at corporations. Corporations are good but just like day traders they will take advantages of any available exploit.
You all need to quit praying and learn to stand up for yourself. You Americans seem to have forgot how to stand up to problems wherever they may be. Stand up to your Government for me since I don't think I'll be making any appearances soon. You have to make a change since Mr. Obama is a little slow in that department.
P.S. Mary wasn't a virgin but she was still a good lay. Oh and if Jesus was really my demigod offspring then he would have at least been able to fly.
Fuck you Dad. I'm rebellious and I like Obama.
that's kind of why this movement isn't going anywhere..."Fuck the man!...except for The Man...just everyone else..."
You're being unrighteous and so you're name will not be called on judgement day. True Christians are Democrats.
Endorsed by the Son of God.
Thats a joke of course.
True Christians are above political parties. Generally they are good at math, which makes it hard for them to be true Democrats. Blue dogs, maybe....
Jesus, please do not swear, but
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I am your savior I'll do as I please. As for Quan...He'll get to know Gaddafi real well where I am sending him.
If you think she was a good lay then you have totally got to try out my goddesses. I think Bree or Natalie should have their name in the great book.
Charlie...I'd sure like a try em out although Demi would castrate me. BTW this new roll that Chuck has me in sucks. They wrote me in as a little crybaby whining broken heart bi0tch. It kills me because everyone knows I could pull more A$$ than you.
Are you doing anything later? Do you still have my phone number?
Charlie will you do a VIVID video with me. I swear I can out perform Bree. Don't worry, if we accidentally have a baby then I know how to take care of it.
Not funny Charlie.
God:
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Winning!
Charlie, You need to stop spilling your seed. Cross contamination is even protected by our patents and mighty lawyers. Please do not reproduce. Monsanto is the perfect seed. Please wear a condom.
Good point, but you are a blasphemous bastard!
Blastfema
According to the lost gospel of George, Jesus had the ability to turn purple (without holding his breath). Also, isn't he said to have sort of 'floated' up to heaven at some point, after he grew tired of hanging with the Apostles in his post-crucifixion sort of 'transparent Obi-Wan Kenobi' form? That's kinda like flying, no?
Seek help you delusional bastard!
Seek help you delusional bastard!
God:
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Hi everyone,
Up here in heaven I'll be pleased to all let you know they allow all Apple products. Yeah, God just sent me a text saying the day traders are going to hell along with Google.
On another note God also told me that I should not have tried those weird non-legitemate too good to be true cancer cures. Apparently I would have done better with board certified physicians.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
For all you who want to know what God looks like. Imagine the biggest iPad you have ever seen.
Weren't you a Buddhist you bastard?
.."Weren't you a Buddhist you bastard?"_ Jesus
Hey jesus.. Takes one to know one!
Hey Stevie,
Do you think you can do anything about my service contract. The $70 is killing me. I hate contracts.
Miss you old friend. I should have donated more to cancer research. I'll see ya soon.
Hey! Do they have Zune's in heaven?
Don't worry about the day traders. Everything will be fine as soon as I am president. I am following in the footsteps of the mormon prophet Joseph Smith's 1844 Presidential campaign who directly pushed modern revelation in what he called "theodemocracy," the blending of religious belief and democracy. I have a testimony of the prophet Joseph Smith.
Mr. Romney, I hope you ascend to presidency. Only then will the earth glaze over into a glass like celestial body.
P.S. Do more baptisms', washing and anointings', endowments, marriage sealings for the dead.
I'm so totally glad you finally joined in! Are you still into burnt offerings or have you kind of moved on from that? And have you ever considered rethinking your stance on adultery, you know given modern times and all? Oh yeah and what about the pope?
Where to begin? The Pope has an ego problem butt at least he finally accepts condoms and gay sex. http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/pope-condoms-for-male-hookers-ok-condoms-to-fight-hiv-not-ok/news/2010/11/21/15471
I apologize for the bible. The writings were meant the lesser evolved people of those days. You might as well cross it all out.
Adultery these days really just means lying. I mean do all the hot chicks you wanna do. Why do you think I slayed that Mary chick? Anyways Mrs. God and my 3 gay husbands were cool with it.
Anyways I would trust the Stock Market about as much Jesus should have trusted Judas. I think Jesus's ego got in the way.
Fick dich Arschloch
Thanks. Totally psyched for the glass like celestial body thing. Does that mean we'll be able to like point telescopes down into the ground and look up girl's skirts in China? Because you know that can work both ways!
You could but why would you want to? I heaven people don't wear clothes. They are just naked with furry bushes. Adam and Eve only hid their nakedness after partaking the forbidden fruit of anal sex.
I like your wig!
Tell us about that magic underwear
What in the great mamma bears name could make you think millions of day trading transactions could harm the all mighty stock market?
It could never damage 99%ers who every month feed untold amounts of money into their 401k plans. Heck nobody really understands where their mone is going away in the stock market so then how could anyone know that big daddy day traders are stealing it.
Can I come to your house and look at Russia later today?
Because I can see it from my house.
Day Traders are WINNING!
Yes master, but please call
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I don't think I can make a documentary on Day Trading. The issues are extremely complex for anyone to tackle.
Everyone should blame the stock market. I did not inflate U.S. currency and set America up for failure.
Trust me. The stock market is the best place for Americans to stash their hard earned cash.
Your royal highness, you have my pledge of allegiance, but please call
(510) 238-3141 Call Oakland Mayor Jean Quan and express your thoughts
510-777-3333 Call Oakland Chief of Police Howard Jordan and express your thoughts.
Comprar mis medicamentos Latina. No fume de cosecha propia. Voto en contra de la legalización de las drogas. ¿Cómo, si voy a ser capaz de comprar armas para asesinar en masa a las familias de México? La próxima vez que usted fuma o resoplido pensar en todo lo bueno que me están ayudando a hacer.
We have no leader.
Pay no attention to me. No I did not give rise to the super rich managers.
"Day Trading" and "Flash Trading" are very different.
Day traders employ some degree of analysis and accept risk that the market turns against them. They make money sometimes & lose money sometimes, but they trade in the same markets, and in the same manner as other traders. They generally add to liquidity and price-discovery, though they may increase volatility.
Flash Trades are executed by computer algorithm. Flash traders are super-rich who buy their way ahead of other traders by a micro-second and make money by trading massive amounts of stock and making a fraction-of-a-penny on each share. Flash traders add to volatility, but do not add to liquidity or price discovery.
A reasonable solution might be a very very small tax on all financial transactions (I've seen 0.005% proposed). This would greatly reduce Flash Trades, creating a fairer and better-functioning market.
Such a tax might be sufficient to reduce Day Trades to some extent, but day trades do not create an unfair or dysfunctional market the way Flash Trades do.
Flash Trades are the problem...and a very very small tax could be the answer.
Agree. Also longer it takes to buy or sell stock would increase the reality of the market. It adds more weight to financial decisions.
I agree you have a Drug Problem
day traitors suck!
rouges gallery it is
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Don't worry about it. The old system is collapsing. Something new and much better is coming.
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This is THE Most Ignorant Topic post i have ever read in this Forum.
'All Troll Bashers included! Nothing could be further from the truth.. and i think the Author of this topic is aware of that.. and is just trying incite those who do not know anything about the Market and trading.. or is just offering a Platform for others with the 'Crook-Attack'!
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How would you stop it?
I think you make sense, but, you might be missing something. 90% of the stock and commodity trading markets are a legitimate casino. They really don't do anything, if you study their process. They are all just BETS. A day trader is gambling against other day traders. One bets an up tick and the other bets a down. One guy wins.
The stock market too is a casino. Shares are junior corporate debt. If the company weakens the shareholder gets nothing. It is only a finance scheme for companies which allows them to print their own currency (shares). A bond is a legitimate debt instrument, a share of stock has no backing of any kind....go look at the nasdaq in 1998, brother...look at the charts....it all turned into nothing in a matter of weeks. Stock markets are a casino and we are not the owners. I have been there and followed it for years...the NYSE is a rig job. Sure it makes the players a lot of money...there aren't many players...the rest of the folks just get a hair cut....I'm bald.
If we placed a tax on every trade that made on the market we'd balance the budget in no time.
If we placed a tax on every trade placed on the market we would balance the budget in no time.
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It's not day traders, it's high speed computer program trading. Most day traders loose money, few make money but most don't affect the market in a big way. Big investment houses and banks use high speed computer trading that moves in seconds. They take huge positions and when things go wrong they go wrong in a big way, That's what causes flash crashes it's not even people pushing buttons, it's the computer doing it and it's not some daytrader sitting home on a laptop it's Goldman sacs and Morgan Stanley. Not only are they skimming money from your 401k's they are using leveraged money from the fed or your bank deposits to do it with. Bringing back Glass/Steagle would do a lot to help. Not letting banks do proprietary trading would help. Not letting Investment banks and hedge funds over leverage is also important and I think high speed electronic trading should be illegal. I think position limits on commodities for folks not involved in the actual use of the underling asset would also help. There is no reason we should pay more for food and gas because those markets have been cornered by traders, once again probly using leverage backed by your bank deposits
day trading is a moronic thing to do but it REDUCES volatility.
Puuulease. Hard work is for suckers. I can make more money managing my and my client's money in 1 week trading momentum, than you "I work 3 jobs, I'm a real American" suckers can do in a year.
do they incite war to gain access to resources?
You are clueless if you think the few dollars of an active individual investor cause significant moves in the market. It is the computerized high frequency trading that causes the crazy volitility. The Wall Street types would love for you to believe that their black box trades are helpful to liquidity. Don't beat up the little guy.
You are delusional! You right wingers cannot reason anymore, your ideology has scared you to a point of no return. You need to educate yourself in order to form your own opinion. Stop repeating nonsense.
day traders aren't evil? i think you're confusing day traders with "high frequency trading" systems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading
Ouch!!! HFC sounds scary. It's the same point. HFC or DTrading is all about the individual making profits for their self and not truly investing in a company. The stockmarket is really sick these days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_trading
The ginormous HFT's are questionable (GS and other big investment banks run these things and pump gazillions thru them)... but "momentum trading" (aka day trading) in and of itself is a perfectly valid strategy, and one that helps market prices move to where they should... and yes it is about making money... theres nothing wrong with that. A big aspect of starting businesses or working a job (or day trading) is to make money to feed families, nothing evil or selfish about it.
Anyone who invests in a company, whether it is for 35 seconds or 35 years, is doing it for personal profit.
Let's be honest - the stock market, regardless of day trading, is no longer really about creating value or investment in companies.
After the IPO, it's just gambling. There is no real investment going on. There is no "growth" being created.
Day traders feed on this, but to think that anything other than the initial IPOs is anything more than straight speculation is a little disingenuous.
Bump! The stock market is total sh!t these days. Companies these days don't raise capital to further the company. Companies instead pay their CEO'S extreme wages in order to pull as much money out of the company before they sell it. In the end the masses of the public lose their 401K and other investments. The stock market is Fff'ed
Then why don't YOU become a CEO and reap the benefits from it. Or start your own company, ask that all your workers, janitors, security, maintenance, guys that carry boxes, etc. all get Union backing, don't pay yourself anymore than them, and give your CEOs minimum wage. Problem solved.
You do realize that the vast majority of a CEO's compensation package is in the form of stock options? To say they don't have a vested option in the share price is completely false.
Goldman Sachs are day traders time trillions. Their unit is hundred millions.
Ignore the small fries, focus on the peddlers/mobsters, aka USG + Congress +Goldman Sachs.
Wow, you people are envious over EVERYTHING..... Instead of complaining, take advantage of it, and turn your unemployment check , "easily" into millions.
Finally some real words of wisdom to set us all straight. Thank you, I don't know what we were thinking. Brains.
That isn't Ron Paul. lol
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