Forum Post: "anarchy" is the default admin password on this website
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 12, 2011, 3 p.m. EST by Thrasymaque
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It's so cute. The programmer for this website set up the install script with "anarchy" as the preset admin password. I thought it was ironic since many protesters keep telling me OWS is not an anarchy. Of course, these are the protesters that have no idea what anarchy means and what their movement is all about, but that's another story...
The text is near the end of the installation section in this manual.
There's also a backend for modifying the database and writing articles. Go to http://occupywallst.dev/admin/ and log in as user "OccupyWallSt" with the password "anarchy".
"OWS is not an anarchy" Wow, learn english.
Anarchy is a noble political tradition. What are you afraid of?
Where does it say I am afraid? I simply find it cute that many Occupy protesters have no idea that Occupy is structured as an anarchy. You don't find that funny?
Why do you peeps always say, What are you afraid of? What in God's name could you possibly do that could cause fear?
Lol, we see dipshts and asholes spouting their nonsense,. posting lies and half-truths, attacking logic and reason with nothing but raw hated; sexist, racist, homophobic, slurs and ad hominem non-debate. These tactics show FEAR! Yes, that is why these people lash out like the tinny bullies that they are, they have so much fear that this is the sad level of their "debate". These weak minded fearful creatures are scared they may loose some of the power they hold by exploitation, and domination. And they are about to. What could we do that they fear? Bring the truth out of the darkness, this is the one thing they fear the most.
and BTW, most of the people screwing with you on here are people just hanging out on the internet. I don't think CEOs and bankers have the time to hang out on forums.
Wow. That's scary. I almost peed in my pants.
Man,you guys are really doing your best to destroy this website. It just shows everyone else that your lives are ruled by fear and hate.
There's that fear thing again. People do it because it's funny. it's why we love open source.
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Quote: Go to http://occupywallst.dev/admin/ and log in as user "OccupyWallSt" with the password "anarchy".
Ummm doing that would be anarchy..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy
I don't get your point.
Who Cares?
I just think it's ironic a lot of protesters don't even know what anarchy is. If you don't care that's fine. It just gives me a small chuckle. Not much here, you best head home.
The reason I say that is because a period of Anarchy is going to occur, no matter how you slice it. Whether it be by a group tearing down the system, or whether it be by the inevitable collapse of the Greed Driven Economy.
It's what we do with that Anarchy that matters. All Anarchy based movements throughout history have dissolved into Republics or Oligarchies. Right now we're trying to overthrow an Oligarchy to get a Republic, hopefully.
I know what you are trying to do. Are you planning on using violence if necessary?
This is a non-violent movement.
open source just like wikipedia
Here's another one. Just for good measure.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/lghgf/dear_occupiers_a_letter_from_anarchists/
Here's another good one
Thanks for the link.
You know what's funny. The OP in the link you sent is the programmer of this website! Her name is Justine Alexandra Roberts Tunney, but she uses the pseudonym jart. Strange coincidence!
Ah nice, that led me to the GitHub project for the code for this site, thanks.
https://github.com/jart/occupywallst
We're recruiting :)
i looked at your setup. i don't understand why the over-complication? This entire forum can run off one index.php, a sign in script, and flatfiles. all the extra is slowing itself down, on top of SQL being the biggest drag and security risk all in one. an ubuntu LAMP?
You're totally right, we're doing it all wrong. You should create a new website for the movement.
Have you all considered Drupal? www.drupal.org
We use Django. I know django very well, enjoy using it, contributed important patches, and attended django conferences. It was also the best tool for the job when I planned out the original goals for this project in July.
Drupal is an excellent piece of software, but I don't enjoy using php. If we decided to start using Drupal for OccupyWallSt.org instead of Django, I would stop programming and move on to non-technical operations.
Plone is written in python
You're joking right?
no, i agree. the setup they have for this forum is way overkill. although drupal does suck. SQL is useless.
Drupal would be overkill. I like Kohana with MongoDB or CouchDB. Development is not just about performance, it's also about saving time while developing! Again, I'm sure they would love it if you opened a github account and made a website for them. What's the point of complaining and doing nothing? Start making some pull requests! Make that flat file database for them!
lol, had to look both of those up. i write my own stuff just using the standard php setup and flatfiles. although i did like what i read about the couchDB. probably start checking that out.
awww. i was just asking. seems like it would be easier.
It's on github so that you can make pull requests ;-)
Yeah, so am I, which is why I was interested. I'm looking for Rails developers for a behavior-driven development project. This Django Python stuff is interesting though. Kudos on the test-driven workflow. I'm surprised to see the frequency of updates. I knew that you guys were working hard but I didn't realize exactly how hard. Keep up the good work. Scaling a popular web site is not an easy thing.
Thanks! <3
The open source project isn't anywhere near as active as I'd like it to be. While we've managed to recruit a few talented developers, I've still been doing most of the development / system administration stuff myself. This is unfortunate because my time is very limited. I never expected to end up at the center of a global movement and our affinity group is involved in so much organizing that technology has become less of a priority :(
Scaling the website wasn't too hard because the Nginx/Postgres/Python/Django development stack is very snappy. I also used to develop/maintain media-intensive telecom infrastructure for a living (before I became a full-time revolutionary) so scaling a simple web app is comparatively easy. We use a single server, a cdn, get around 100k uniques / 300k hits a day and run at 10% capacity.
Nice performance, definitely. You're on a Slicehost slice? When I saw an ngnix error message last week during one of your deployments, I thought incorrectly that you were running a Ruby platform.
I'm dealing at the moment with selling event tickets, which sometimes involves 100k uniques within five minutes. It's horrifying. Spiky traffic sucks. I've been trying so hard to create a job for somebody on this web site for over a month. That has surprisingly turned out to be more challenging than handling 100,000 potential customers within five minutes. I'm at least thankful for having this site for entertainment during the short breaks between my terror fits.
Please let me know if you know of anybody interested in a job, BTW. It seems so bizarre that this site is not a place to find people looking for jobs, but it isn't. We have a CI server running in Engine Yard AppCloud (we moved from Slicehost a few months ago after outgrowing a 15.5 GB slice, so we moved to a cluster on EC2) and now that we have CI, we really need help working on our unit tests and behavior specifications. And our latest game is propping up staging environments and then overloading them on purpose, for performance optimization for scaling. That also could easily become somebody's full-time job, if we could just find somebody who wants to learn.
We're currently hosted with Voxel on dedicated hardware, but we'd like to move to colo soon so we can have more autonomy. I generally don't use cloud hosting solutions for the stuff I do, with the exception of CDNs.
As for what you're doing, that sounds really rough and I know how that sort of stress can be! :hugs: Especially considering the fact that you're using RoR which is known more for blazing new and exciting trails in webdev.... rather than its performance and reliability. Out of curiosity, how often do you get these huge traffic spikes?
As for the job, how much are you paying? :P
The cloud systems have been a life saver because that's what got us into DevOps, which is really a major paradigm shift that changes everything. For example, when we know to expect a big spike, we can spin the cluster up from four or five app servers to 10 or 20 app servers within minutes, because we managed to make the paradigm shift toward treating server resources as the product of source code. It's really mind-bending but it's the future.
And unfortunately for me, but fortunately for the business overall, we get these traffic spikes weekly. Sometimes without warning. That has created job opportunities at every level, from entry-level to seasoned web developer. We are both profitable and venture-funded, so use your imagination on pay scale...
(Ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times.")
Out of curiosity, what do you see as the main benefit to scaling your infrastructure on demand? Wouldn't it incur less labor and save you a great deal of stress to just lease 20 servers from Dell and rack them at a colo facility? I'm not an expert on cloud app hosting but it always seemed to me that the benefits were purely economical for companies with rapidly changing business models.
The primary benefit from a business point of view is shifting capital expenditures into operational expenditures. A secondary benefit is that is saves a lot of money, because you have to over-invest in physical hardware because you have to budget for your peak expected traffic, so you're always wasting money. Our expenses fit our needs at any given moment like a glove and we never have to over-invest out of fear. The primary benefit from a development point of view is that it empowers development teams by giving them complete control over operations. The ability to spin up new servers instantly to deal with a traffic spike is just kind of neat, it's not really the primary benefit of cloud computing. And the fact that we never have to worry about hardware failure is also neat, but not really the primary benefit. If we ever have a problem with a server then it's normally simpler to just kill it and spin up a new one than to spend time troubleshooting servers. That allows us to focus on our code and the overall system from a big-picture perspective, and not on individual machines or hard drives.
But even if you don't get into cloud systems, I highly recommend looking into DevOps. Specifically the OpsCode Chef platform. IMHO it's the most significant paradigm shift to happen in web development in a decade, and I've been doing web development since the beginning of the web.
I mostly use Kohana for development these days, but I'm free to work at the moment if you are looking for somebody. Just message me.
Ever used jQuery Mobile?
CoffeeScript?
Ya. If you want to talk about it more, just message me.
I'm pondering how I could possibly use a PHP developer. That's kind of a stumper but I'll keep thinking.
I do a lot of Javascript CSS and HTML too. I'm just throwing it out there.
Rails is so slow.
Hehe. In the wrong hands maybe. Not for me.
You could have reached it with the link on the lower right of this website.
Thanks. Since the site has an endless-page JavaScript effect, I rarely see the footer. Never noticed that GitHub link. I actually suspected that it was a Rails site until I talked to her today, not Django.
Nice job putting a name to the non-leaders. Thanks.
It was easily accessible. This website is open-source on github. Look at the bottom right of the website, there is a little like called github that links to the source-code. She's the main programmer.
I'm sure this post will evaporate soon.
We'll see. It's all public knowledge.
Here's a fun read: http://commonstruggle.org/node/2570
The passage in the anti-politics section is really sweet.
Funny how anarchists want to control from the top of the stage like puppet masters. Who would have thought? I assumed it was all about equality.
you two deserve each other - first of all - i guess you like authority - that's great - that is how kissinger made all his money - sucking up to power. secondly your reading comp skills are poor - you know where the term quisling comes from - happy banker - you are neither!
Did the puppet masters send you in to break us up?
yes they did but i can't get this one arm working - sorry happy - were you having fun with your little buddy - i imagine you are both small - right?
Yes, we were having fun. You should try being more Happy, like me! It's contagious!
adbusters has a whole gig about you two - how people these days have fun in front of their computers instead of talking to real people - watching sex on tv instead of having sex with another human. i have read too many of your posts - happyboy, i know you can't be really happy or you wouldn't be here doing this nonsense - get a date or something - have a beer with a friend - do you have any that aren't computer screens? too bad this site is run by anarchists and they let anyone on - otherwise there might be an exchange of useful info in a hopeless and silly attempt to change the world before the coming shitstorm. that is why the right rules the world - stupid authoritarian bastards - (greed heads i think hunter called them - good name don't you think?). savages like the british and the french of days gone by. ok, i have gone too far - time to turn the screen off and try to have a bit of fun - cooking with my wife - a hopeless and silly attempt at human interaction. go ahead now boys - you can play socrates reborn and the happy banker (a contradiction in terms?) go to town on twitter
I would hook up with happy in a second! Because he's so damn happy! But no, I don't care for Hannity. I prefer Buddy Roemer.
In fact, I would like to get together with happy and Buddy Roemer.
flip, you need to take a breath and calm down. You are taking all of this way to seriously.
You don't sound so Happy. You should watch Sean Hannity with your wife after dinner. Come back afterwards and share your new found state of Happy with us after you see the light. Be Happy!
Sons of Anarchy! My favorite! I'm coming right over! Get those happy drinks ready.
You're right! It works. I'm happy now. Poor flip. I don't think he'll ever be happy. Sad really. But did you see jart and Fredastaire below? Now they are what I call "happy"!
what kind of drugs do you two sweethearts recommend to watch hannity - something that makes one really dumb right - you can't watch him straight - oh, maybe you can (that was the plural form of you in case you weren't sure - april and happy - you hooking up?)
I was joking about Hannity to get a rise out of flip. We can watch Sons of Anarchy if you want. LOL. What time will you be over? I'll pour us a Happy Drink!
See. I knew I could make at least one person Happy. Flip is working hard to bring me me down but it won't work! His favorite cartoon as a kid was Droopy Dog.
Nothing like trying to properly organize and manage a state of chaos. Hehe.
Surprised...."? Not!
The shut down your link thrasy
Fixed. Strange considering the link already exists on this page anyhow.
OMG lol. and they said they didn't want to use php because it isn't secure lmfao.
PHP can be made to be secure using a lot of tools. I'm just not nearly talented enough of a sysadmin to do it. To be honest we mostly don't use PHP because it's not fun to code :(
Blasphemy! PHP is fun. I abuse the hell out of it. I like to do the nonos like a PHP file with javascript , html, and php in one hard-coded mess of a script. syntax gets b!tchy some times :P
Don't forget to make abundant use of the
exec()andeval()functions :) I also love that feature which auto-defines global variables from GET params.Get a room, lovebirds!
Then we can really put our tongues in cheek about development.
Exactly! You two are so cute with your techie talk. : )
The funnest website coding I have done was with Kohana 3 and PHP. I don't uses
exec(),eval(), or globals.that's awesome you found something you like!
out of curiosity, how many programming languages do you know?
PHP is not the nicest, that's for sure. But Kohana is such a simple and beautiful framework that it makes using PHP fun.
How many languages? Hmmm.... I used about 10 extensively at different times. And dabbled in a bunch more. I started coding when I was 8 on a ZX81. I'm 35 now.
Awesome, I take your opinion a lot more seriously knowing that. So what's your favorite thing about Kahona? I poked around the docs but had a hard time understanding them. It seems very oop intensive in a way sort of like java where the syntax is very verbose :(
The biggest problem with web frameworks is that there's too many of them. So I must ask, does Kahona have a niche? What does it do better than all the other php frameworks? For instance Django's niche is a) it automatically generates a backend gui from your model definitions, b) has excellent documentation, c) is the de facto python framework, and d) takes a very pragmatic, conservative approach to development, emphasizing things like backwards compatibility.
The main forte of Kohana is that it is tight and light and doesn't get in your way. Kohana implements MVC, but doesn't force you to use it. It works with PHP 5 and is OOP like you say, but nothing is forced on you. The main programmer behind it is really good, ShadowHand. Many PHP frameworks try to do everything for you and are thus huge monstrosities, Kohana is small. Another nice thing is the cascading system used to extend the core and configuration files. It's very modular and de-coupled.
The docs are getting better, but they're certainly not the best. Kohana doesn't have a lot of money and is run by a small team. One thing that's cool about that is you can become very close with the devs, and they are all very good.
Kohana devs do not believe in code generation, so you might no like that aspect. I agree with them on this. Some people have created scaffolding modules though. Another thing you might not like is that the devs do not believe in backward compatibility. I see this as a strong point since it keeps the framework light. If they see a way to do things better, they are not afraid of changing the API. Kohana 2 and Kohana 3 are totally different. That being said, if you have sites using Kohana 2, nothing forces you to upgrade.
Every framework has good and bad points. It depends what you need and what you want to do. For PHP, Kohana is by far my favorite. It is a fork of Codeignitor, but very different nowadays.
Django is really good. If you are already used to that and it permits you to do what you need, I don't see a reason why you would switch. Python is a much nicer language than PHP.
As far as I'm concerned, you did a great job on this site. It's easy to use and to the point. I would have simply used Vanilla as a forum instead of coding something from scratch, but I'm sure you had your reasons for doing it your way.
From what you're telling me it sounds like Kohana aims to focus more on being abstract and flexible rather than providing specific solutions to common problems. This is problematic because then the software lacks a clear purpose. I believe very strongly that there should be only one way to do it. For instance with Django, there's only one ORM, one template language, and one scheme for routing requests. It makes things less confusing and fosters cooperation in the community rather than competition. I also don't understand why a library that's been around five years wouldn't want backwards compatibility. That makes it unstable software by definition and threatens the survivability and future security of your software. The software I respect the most is the type that's designed to stand the test of time. For instance the berkeley sockets api has been around longer than I've been along and is still excellent, relatively unchanged, and in common use!
But I agree with you about frameworks trying to do too much through implicit magic. That was my gripe with rails back when I tried it because I generated this skeleton application which did zillion things, but there was only like 2 lines of code so I had no idea how to make it work differently. I don't care as much if the code is generated initially, just so long as it's right there in front of you and clearly defines what it's doing. But sometimes wildly implicit behavior can be used appropriately, like with the django admin.
As for the forum on this website, I honestly never intended for it to become as popular as it did. Back in July when this website was originally designed mostly to help organize people in preparation for the action, not to be a hub for a global movement. I made the forum with the hope that people would use it to discuss purely logistical matters, like food/outreach/medics/training etc. but it just sorta turned into a bunch of white men who weren't actually involved in the movement debating politics :(
While I had set my sights on Occupy Wall Street inspiring other cities to rise up and ignite an American revolution, I didn't expect them to rise up under the same banner and put us at the center of it all. I also didn't expect this particular occupation to become so sustained. I thought that a few weeks after September 17th, the focus would shift to organizing other actions, new domains would be set up with this software to help organize them, and then this particular domain would outlive its purpose.
I also made the comment system homebrew so I could contribute it back to the django community because the solutions currently available aren't that good.
Like I said, there are many different philosophies and many different frameworks. What's important is that you are able to do what you want to get done.
You can argue that you don't agree with Kohana's principles, but you can't argue that it doesn't have a clear purpose. The aim is to create a tight HMVC framework for PHP. It takes care of security and various basic aspects of programming that are tedious and repetitious. It comes with an official ORM, but it doesn't force you to use it. A lot of people don't even want to use an ORM, or want to create one with different features. Some like to use flat databases like Mongo. Same goes for template languages. I prefer Mustache, but some like something else. It's also important to note that Kohana is often used with pre-existing applications where you don't always have the choice of the ORM or the template language you want to use. I don't believe there is one way to do things. I like the idea of a base core with modules built on top of it. It's very flexible.
As for backward compatibility being better for security, I'm not sure I would agree. Many security problems in Windows exist exactly because it tries to be so backward compatible. When Kohana finds a security problem, they fix it in the current version. Perhaps with a patch. But if they find the right way to fix it and that means breaking the API, then they will do that. They always strive to have the tightest and cleanest code possible. The problem with backward compatibility is that you eventually start getting a lot of spaghetti code, and this is really bad for security.
Like I said, I'm not trying to sell the idea of using Kohana. What's important is that you enjoy what you do and you are able to be productive with the system you use. If you prefer Django and feel that it covers all the types of websites you want to make, then there is no reason to look elsewhere. It's a good framework for sure. Iv'e used it a few times and it did what I needed.
There's no problem with security here. After they install the website they change the password.
What if the Oakland incidents are also acting? Just one big production. The entire incident at Whole Foods was a staged event by Moveon.org
Thoughts?
Who knows. I'm not really into conspiracy theories, so I'm not going to start making assumptions.
I assume you have already seen the DallasBlue videos. I am not one for conspiracies either. Still, it makes you wonder: what if?
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I'm near Sanur.
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Iv'e been here 5 years, so yeah Iv'e been around. I really like Lombok. I'm not in Sanur, but close. I'm living in rice fields a bit north of Denpasar. In a village. So, are you going to start your insults soon?
i will - white man living in bali - trying to provoke people who are doing something - not just living on daddy money - sophist my ass - time to be reborn again! come down to the park - nyc - it's a bit cold for you probably and no brown people to wait on you but interesting conversation - rather surf?
Living on daddy money? You're funny. And no, I don't have brown people to wait on me. I work for a US company. I never surfed. If I was a surfer, my writing ability would most likely resemble yours.
a us company - even worse - economic imperialist - yea you really write well - too bad your thinking in infantile - don't believe you about the brown people - thrasymaque - socrates reborn - ha, probably went to one of the ivys and joined a frat! go to work - earn your blood money and stop busting people who want to change the world - they don't have much chance anyway - don't need the likes of you to make it harder. they got glen beck, obama and the whole power elite (look up the reference if you don't know it) standing in their way - you - bali boy, should help them or get out of the way. come to think of it they are probably better off if you get out of the way - there must be other sites you can make snide comments on - oh, shit ending with a prep. have you ever done anything good in you short life - done anything to try to change the world for the better - instead of sucking money from the working class and the poor and living in bali! maybe you think the world is just fine as it is - well look around bali boy - go to a good movie at least - read a bit of us history. sorry for my writing style - mostly self educated - you can smell it i know- sorry to be cranky but too many people on this site that just make things worse - you should not be one of them. the world is a shit hole for many people - the us is the cause of too much of that - time to change - shitstorm is coming anyway - oil running out and climate change - which will fuck us first? 1 barrel of oil will do the work of 12 men working for 1 year - our society is built on cheap plentiful oil and we re running out!
Economic imperialist? Because I work for a living? Sorry, some of us have to make a living. And please, learn how to write.
ok, and you can go annoy people on another website
right - iq off the charts - and no life but sitting in front of a computer trying to make people think you are clever - you aren't! you can speak all the languages you like - and properly - doesn't help with that dull ache in your head right. you need help and you won't find it here - go somewhere else - you sad little boy - do something else with mommy's money! socretes reborn - and i am pathetic.
I said - please learn how to write! That means study punctuation young man!
the kings english - no use for it - how's your greek?
My Greek is fine. I also speak French, and Indonesian quite well. But you can't even master your own mother tongue. Pathetic.
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I'm not that high. Not too many mosquitos, but a tad. I got Dengue last year. Not fun!
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What does anarchy have to do with violence?
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This is a very ignorant statement. The whole point of anarchism is that anarchy is order.
Learn: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/anarchist_archives/kropotkin/britanniaanarchy.html
It's a question of theory vs practice. In theory, most anything can be ordered. In practice, it's a whole different ball game.
I wouldn't say the whole point of anarchy is that it is order. The whole point is to create a system without hierarchy. Period. There are many different types of anarchies, some of which are designed to create political chaos. A hierarchy can be ordered as well.
To what school of anarchist thought are you referring? Teenage punk manarchists? I'm not aware of any respected anarchist thinkers whose end goal is to create a chaotic society. It's always been a core tenant in anarchist thinking that order can exist without rulers.
I'm referring to anarchy as a whole, and that's the point. There are many different types of anarchies. Anarchy only means without hierarchy, without rulers. It doesn't imply chaos or order. It's a very general word like hierarchy is. There are many types of hierarchies too.
Your spam really sucks. If you cared about others and human rights you would stop aggressing us all on these threads. You're really a dick.
gdamn someone finally said it :)
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Talk about giving your website a bad name. You are such a dick. I'm going to write a blog article about your spamming tactics, and a piece for NY times.
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Anyone who doubts the involvement of anarchists in this movement would only note that 6 or the 12 protesters in our area wore masks and identified themselves as such. Even the pictures scared the H _ out of me.
I was thinking about showing up at the next one - I thought again about that.
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Right. Sorry for responding to you in the first place then. By all means, continue your SEO mission of site promotion, link dropping, and spreading lies. In the mean time, sane Americans can stick to what they see with their own eyes.
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And that is the final word. Well maybe with a few exceptions, like muslim women because that's their right, and maybe someone else with a mask on who does not do violence, and we will have to check into that "paid" issue because I really don't know who paid the other protesters to be there. and and and
I am not arguing with you global, just attempting to find out what this is all about and what the parameters really are.
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Good luck. Just doesn't seem to work out in the boonies much.
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Are you in Oakland?
NO - Why, you missing some anarchists. I understand there were a few there at one time too. Something about fires, damage to small businesses, etc. I think the Police had picture of them and I hope took care of the problem so that the people of Oakland (and yes even the protestors) were safe.
Thanks for the password.
As you can see, I was able to log in and delete any resemblance of a logical or rational post.
whew. took me 26 seconds