Forum Post: Cops should be on our side. How do we tell them?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 12:44 a.m. EST by equazcion
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from New York, NY
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Anyone disagree that cops are part of the 99%? I'd love to go down there and hand out signs to that effect. Granted they have to do their jobs, but they seem to be earning extra credit. Suggestions?
Soon enough they will be. They city has a 2 billion dollar deficit and Bloomberg already has a plan for cutting back on the NYPD. Schools too. As for the "Donations" made to NYPD, I wouldn't worry about that. The city squanders all the money it gets.
But most important of all, is to be peaceful. A lot of these cops know that they are part of the 99%. I'm sure there is a fair amount that are happy that we are standing up. Though they can't show that around their superiors. They have bills and families to look after too, a lot of them took that job to pay off student loans. Be patient, be peaceful.
Getting the police constructively involved in this is simple. Start communicating with them better. Let them participate in having a say where the marches go. Like we say, they are part of the 99%, likewise they should have an input on this movement and its orientation. If we approach them and ask for their reasonable guidance in allowing this to safely grow, how can they all refuse. This would be a great peace offering and allows for safe and efficient communication between the people and the authorities. However this movement flows, this can only be done peacefully. We have to remain calm, collected, focused and we have to inspire not only the authorities but the world. The police need to know that they have a safe place with the people. This will work, we the people have already won. Lets keep this going and we are on the road to true peace and freedom. Can you imagine? How would you spend your days? What would you pursue? What does pure freedom mean to you? Once you capture that feeling, use it as your incentive to bring those dreams into reality.
Peace!
Wishful thinking..... any awake person knows the majority of them will do as money demands of their "higher ups"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
No way would I disagree w that. I agree w gamma. Talk to them. And yes remind them they are one of us, the 99%.
You are probably right, most officers will probably agree with you, however they do have a job to do, and that job is to keep the peace. Most probably do not want to use their spray or batons in anything but self defense (there are always a few bad apples).
Now how to get them to join the ranks protesting the abuses of the system? Not going to happen unless you can promise them en-mass that 1. There will be no violence, looting or crimes when they are on the "other side of the fence" and 2. That you will be able to pay them enough to be able to feed their families and afford the basics of living.
Now open and honest dialog with police chiefs about marches will help a lot. If you manage engage authorities with respect to planning the marches, coming up with idea's on routes and safety protocols, then there will be much less need for the massive police presence so far seen.
After all if you can guarantee that a march will follow a set route and be peaceful, the police stop looking to protect property and start focusing on protecting you.
They have to follow orders while on duty and most will. Having said that, many of the more violent reactions come from white shirts - either doing it themselves or the blue shirts do it under their direct supervision.
Chase did donate 4.6 million to NYPD shortly before the occupation began. That doesn't influence the guys on the street but it will influence policy from the top.
Talk to them. Treat them as part of the group when they're standing around. Ask them what they think about the various issues. If you ask them rather than tell them you'll probably get the intended response anyway.
realistically what happens when you try this is that they cold shoulder you, OR.. you end up infiltrated and then they try to play you against the other protesters.
Kindness and understanding, as well as open dialogue with individual officers, as opposed to yelling, chanting, rebelling and anger directed toward a group.
COPS are definitely part of the 99%, it annoys me that they're job is to act like a bunch of muppets.
its their job and role to listen to the higher up... if they rebel and join our side, they will lose their job/money/etc....its a very hard line to cross. i understand but i wish all of them would join so individuals wouldnt be discriminated!
One YouTuber said GS just donated some millions to the NYPD, the implication being that it will cover overtime.
Cops are like every other profession, about 5 to 10% are rational. Of the rest, remember that the profession attracts thugs and sadists. Never assume anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
Bank 'holidays' are nothing new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
NYPD has a website if everyone visits it it will crash! spread that and deny all these corporate puppy dogs from web access, media sites also as your followers grow they can use this tactic to crash most web sites.
they have a job to do. that job requires them to be evil and always has. They sold their soul to the devil on this ages ago. You can't change that or expect them to change it, trying to change it is really just stepping out to be the first one beat down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
right
you can't really make that argument to them. Its like arguing with a fundie christian. they can't hear you. It is DANGEROUS strategically to imagine that they can be compasisonate or that they will or can have a consience. You MUST proceed at every turn with a completely lucid understanding that cops are sociopaths and will never hear, never grok, never care, never listen. You must understand that they are pack psychology zombots trained to harm people and that their "Job" is doing this all the time but usually not live on film. Your just the thousandth person they have beaten up in the line of duty. Or ten thousandth. Don't take it personally- understand- they are evil- this is not an insult it is a simple patent fact. Be aware of the nature of the beast. They are socipaths and they are violent and they have no compassion, no sense of propriety, no care for justice, and don't mind criminally breaking every law.
Just want to state for the record that I don't believe "cops are sociopaths". That's a baseless generalization about a broad range of people. Don't judge the whole group by the highly publicized actions of a few.
i'm simply telling you the facts which can be gleaned from direct experience. I have experienced it time and time again. I have had my rights violated and won in court time and time again. They cheated and cheat and lie and everything else the last round. Proving that the whole system and all of them are patently corrupt and evil. This is not a generalization. It is 20 years of life and 30 incidents just involving me personally- never mind what i have witnessed done to others or while in jail. Cops are evil scum. Period. They have to be because thats the job description; be evil scum and be caste warriors. they are caste traitors. they already know this; they are not going to suddenly grow a conscience over it. they get paid to oppress the people. They get paid to do this and its 99 percent of the job they have always done- no matter the "cops and criminals" mythology - MOST of the victims of the police are innocent and EVEN THEY KNOW THIS. You can prove it to yourselves the hard way again and again. Go protest. get beaten down by evil cops. gotry to talk nice with them. get beaten down by evil cops. How long will it take you to learn it? Cops are evil scum. period. Thats not being an insult to them; thats the lucid truth you must realize or you are putting yourselves in danger imagining pigs as some kind of public servant. A pig is nothing more than a gang member, with a gun and the right to do anything violent they wish to, including murder- without real consequences. Are you guys keeping lists to make sure all the arrested folks actually come back? Seriously. You can not afford to imagine that the cops are anything other than the evil scum they are.
I don't care if 100% of your experiences with them have been negative. That still doesn't justify grouping them all together under the label of evil or corrupt. Your experiences must've been pretty bad for you to have formed such a steadfast prejudice, so I feel for you, but you haven't stated any good reason they should all be regarded as you suggest.
because they USE the idea we have of their goodness as a tool to play head games with us an entrap people. Because if you fail to take them seriously as that dangerous you could underestimate your personal danger. You could think "they would never come beat me down as long as i don't X or Y or Z.." No. they will pick random people and send them to the hospital for ZERO reason. That IS the definition of evil. Harming people who don't deserve to be harmed. And if they don't do it themselves they are party to it. If I was a pig and somebody required me to harm innocent people to "do my job" i'd quit. And thats what "GOOD "Cops" did. Which is why there aren't any.
I didn't say they're all good, but you've offered no reason we should think of them all as evil -- nor anything to back up your claims that they'll all pick up random people, other than your personal experiences or those you're viewed.
because thats their "job".
...a claim which you again state unequivocally, with nothing to back it up but your own experiences. You need more than that to condemn an entire group. Be angry about your own experiences if you want, but you won't drag down any rational thinkers with you.
let them that have ears to hear hear. In the long run, the rational thinkers do go my way because i am on the mark on every issue. As much as i want to have sympathy for them, they have made choices which include having zero compassion or sympathy for the rest of us, and removal of conscience. That does make them both technically sociopathic and frankly evil. If thats too jagged a pill to swallow for you or anyone, then its likely you will continue blind and foolish until it happens to you.
I've never been uncomfortable with the idea of accepting public bodies as corrupt. I reject your claims because they are baseless, and because you spout them as flat dogma, with no real argument, and only the angry, blatant arrogance of a religious zealot.
strangely enough i think your reasons for rejecting my "claims" sound about as good as possible. I'm not asking you to accept my claims, I'm telling you and everyone to be careful with a dangerous animal. If you fail to hed my warning and get snake bit, i did my part morally and ethically to provide the warning and my karmas covered. I couldn't care less whether or not you take the warning and while i find the invitation to get into details strangely warm, i'm also not going to go there. My claims are not baseless, and i say what is true without feeling like i have to take hours at a time to to justify or vindicate myself. I'm hyper rational, i know what i am talking about, and I'm serving the greater good in this. If you want to go try to NVC yourself a police person i suggest you at least study and double study your NVC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_P0wHsSz0&feature=player_embedded
They should be, but, they've mostly been successfully programmed.... how could anyone, with a conscious, take arms against their own neighbors and prevent them from even banking?
You can't tell them, most of them probably agree with you, but they have a job to do first and fore most. A lot of soldiers don't agree with war but fight anyways because it's their job, their duty, their purpose, theres no fighting a belief that strong that peopel have in themselves