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Forum Post: Constitutional Ammendment: Seperation of State and ______.

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 22, 2011, 3:46 a.m. EST by DJR (31)
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[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 13 years ago

Corporations

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[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 13 years ago

The most exciting, and realistic, action plan to come out of OWS is, imo, the proposal for the 28th Amendment: get capital decoupled from politics. Here's the text. Corporations are not people. They have none of the Constitutional rights of human beings. Corporations are not allowed to give money to any politician, directly or indirectly. No politician can raise over $100 from any person or entity. All elections must be publicly financed. I'm saddened to see it not picking up steam on this forum, b/c I think it stands up quite well to scrutiny. But maybe it's not extreme enough for this forum, either. http://www.wolf-pac.com/28th

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

Agreed 100%! But there's just one problem. Corporations pay TAXES.They possess a RIGHT to the political process. So, now what.

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[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 13 years ago

Paying taxes does not purchase voting rights. The poor, some of whom don't pay income taxes, are allowed to vote. Individuals who comprise corporations can donate $100.

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

Please understand. Paying taxes EARNS you the RIGHT to political ACCESS. This is at the core of the Occupy movement. The access corporations have (which they have a right to) places politicians in precarious positions. A corporation carries sinificantly more influence than any citizen can muster. And, AND a corporations is NOT a citizen. It is a for profit business entity. It is unable to act in the Public Interest. Just plain ol' common sense.

It's a real dilema and it's causing this great country of ours real problems. The solution (or parts of it) is, imo, in the Tax Code.

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[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 13 years ago

I do now understand what the argument is. Yes. I agree that corporations currently buy access from politicians. This is why I support the 28th Amendment proposal and OWS. In the brave new future, corporations will pay taxes and they will also NOT possess a right to the the political process, since they are not people. What is the problem with that?

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

No, not "religion"!

In case anyone missed the point, I was making an attempt (although not a successful one) at gauging the pulse of OWS. The "question" asks: If you were to change ONE thing about our government, what would it be?

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[-] 1 points by naturesmeds (25) 13 years ago

Only one thing? OK, abolish it. (starting over would require MANY changes, starting with the bill of rights being included in the main body of the constitution, and people being defined as human beings ONLY, not corporations or religions or organizations etc,,, then disqualify all supreme court justices and congress and the president since they did not uphold their oaths)

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[-] 1 points by peacescientist (169) 13 years ago

capital. My husband had a great idea. In order to hold government office one would have to donate to the government any assets or net worth over $100,000 a year.

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

A capital idea! How about this one: Seperation of state and profit.

I think we're on the same track.

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[-] 1 points by levelthefield (7) 13 years ago

Would that include land-holdings and slaves? If so, we're iin!!

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[-] 1 points by bootsy3000 (180) 13 years ago

There is no reason to be off-puttingly arcane; we have real work to do.

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

Arcane? C'mon, the "real work" requires this movement to know, understand and accept the one true issue, the central theme, the fire that burns beneath it all. I just dont see that it is even coming close to accomplishing that. Forget coming up with solutions, this movement needs to identify the problem #1. For the answer, read Bootsy3000 below. But there's a catch. For the answer to that, read my response to Bootsy.

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[-] 1 points by DJR (31) 13 years ago

Maybe, but I think it might also include anything over 1 oz.

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[-] 1 points by peacescientist (169) 13 years ago

yea, land would be considered an asset, slaves would be a cost though..you have to at leas feed em....j/k. NO SLAVES!

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