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Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 2:16 p.m. EST by thejunkie (50)
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Congressional Reform Act of 2011

  1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

  2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

  3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

  4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

  5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

  6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

  7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

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[-] 1 points by benturner (4) from Sacramento, CA 13 years ago

This isn't really that good or interesting and won't really help people. Here are sine comments.

  1. Politicians cannot accept money (or anything else) from corporations. (Corporations are not people.) --THIS ONE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
  2. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office. --TENURE? I don't really have that big of an issue with this, because they could still put money into a 401k. California legislators don't get pensions anymore, but it does reduce the number of people that can run for office and makes it so that most legislators are rich people. Most regular people can't just stop their jobs for a couple of years to be an elected official. I don't know why the word tenure in there.
  3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security.... ---Member of congress make ss contributions in their paychecks already (since 1984). http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
  4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do. --Again, sounds alright, but if a teacher wants to run for congress, they will lose at least two years of their retirement.
  5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. --See note on congressional pay below. They typically give themselves raises less than this.
  6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. --They currently have a employer based healthcare system. Does this mean they would have to go into the individual market like people without insurance from their employer?
  7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. --They already have this except they have less rights because they can't sue people for defamation or slander.
  8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women. Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. --What does this mean? What contracts?

Congressional pay: Congress is required by Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution to determine its own pay. Prior to 1969, Congress did so by enacting stand-alone legislation. From 1789 through 1968, Congress raised its pay 22 times using this procedure. Congressional salaries initially were $1,500. By 1968, they had risen to $30,000. Stand-alone legislation may still be used to raise Member pay, as it was most recently in 1982, 1983, 1989, and 1991, but two other methods — including an automatic annual adjustment procedure and a commission process — are now also available. Under the annual adjustment procedure, Members are scheduled to receive a 2.8% adjustment in January 2009. Members originally were scheduled to receive a 2.7% increase in January 2008. The increase was revised to 2.5%, resulting in a salary in 2008 of $169,300, to match the percent increase in the base pay of General Schedule (GS) employees. By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees. Congress voted to deny the scheduled January 2007 adjustment. Members previously received a pay increase (1.9%) in January 2006, increasing their salary to the rate of $165,200.

More at http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/97-1011.pdf

[-] 1 points by benturner (4) from Sacramento, CA 13 years ago

This isn't really that good or interesting and won't really help people. Here are sine comments.

  1. Politicians cannot accept money (or anything else) from corporations. (Corporations are not people.) --THIS ONE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
  2. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office. --TENURE? I don't really have that big of an issue with this, because they could still put money into a 401k. California legislators don't get pensions anymore, but it does reduce the number of people that can run for office and makes it so that most legislators are rich people. Most regular people can't just stop their jobs for a couple of years to be an elected official. I don't know why the word tenure in there.
  3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security.... ---Member of congress make ss contributions in their paychecks already (since 1984). http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
  4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do. --Again, sounds alright, but if a teacher wants to run for congress, they will lose at least two years of their retirement.
  5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. --See note on congressional pay below. They typically give themselves raises less than this.
  6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. --They currently have a employer based healthcare system. Does this mean they would have to go into the individual market like people without insurance from their employer?
  7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. --They already have this except they have less rights because they can't sue people for defamation or slander.
  8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women. Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. --What does this mean? What contracts?

Congressional pay: Congress is required by Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution to determine its own pay. Prior to 1969, Congress did so by enacting stand-alone legislation. From 1789 through 1968, Congress raised its pay 22 times using this procedure. Congressional salaries initially were $1,500. By 1968, they had risen to $30,000. Stand-alone legislation may still be used to raise Member pay, as it was most recently in 1982, 1983, 1989, and 1991, but two other methods — including an automatic annual adjustment procedure and a commission process — are now also available. Under the annual adjustment procedure, Members are scheduled to receive a 2.8% adjustment in January 2009. Members originally were scheduled to receive a 2.7% increase in January 2008. The increase was revised to 2.5%, resulting in a salary in 2008 of $169,300, to match the percent increase in the base pay of General Schedule (GS) employees. By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees. Congress voted to deny the scheduled January 2007 adjustment. Members previously received a pay increase (1.9%) in January 2006, increasing their salary to the rate of $165,200.

More at http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/97-1011.pdf

[-] 1 points by benturner (4) from Sacramento, CA 13 years ago

This isn't really that good or interesting and won't really help people. Here are sine comments.

  1. Politicians cannot accept money (or anything else) from corporations. (Corporations are not people.) --THIS ONE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
  2. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office. --TENURE? I don't really have that big of an issue with this, because they could still put money into a 401k. California legislators don't get pensions anymore, but it does reduce the number of people that can run for office and makes it so that most legislators are rich people. Most regular people can't just stop their jobs for a couple of years to be an elected official. I don't know why the word tenure in there.
  3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security.... ---Member of congress make ss contributions in their paychecks already (since 1984). http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
  4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do. --Again, sounds alright, but if a teacher wants to run for congress, they will lose at least two years of their retirement.
  5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. --See note on congressional pay below. They typically give themselves raises less than this.
  6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. --They currently have a employer based healthcare system. Does this mean they would have to go into the individual market like people without insurance from their employer?
  7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. --They already have this except they have less rights because they can't sue people for defamation or slander.
  8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women. Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. --What does this mean? What contracts?

Congressional pay: Congress is required by Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution to determine its own pay. Prior to 1969, Congress did so by enacting stand-alone legislation. From 1789 through 1968, Congress raised its pay 22 times using this procedure. Congressional salaries initially were $1,500. By 1968, they had risen to $30,000. Stand-alone legislation may still be used to raise Member pay, as it was most recently in 1982, 1983, 1989, and 1991, but two other methods — including an automatic annual adjustment procedure and a commission process — are now also available. Under the annual adjustment procedure, Members are scheduled to receive a 2.8% adjustment in January 2009. Members originally were scheduled to receive a 2.7% increase in January 2008. The increase was revised to 2.5%, resulting in a salary in 2008 of $169,300, to match the percent increase in the base pay of General Schedule (GS) employees. By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees. Congress voted to deny the scheduled January 2007 adjustment. Members previously received a pay increase (1.9%) in January 2006, increasing their salary to the rate of $165,200.

More at http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/97-1011.pdf

[-] 1 points by benturner (4) from Sacramento, CA 13 years ago

This isn't really that good or interesting and won't really help people. Here are sine comments.

  1. Politicians cannot accept money (or anything else) from corporations. (Corporations are not people.) --THIS ONE SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
  2. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office. --TENURE? I don't really have that big of an issue with this, because they could still put money into a 401k. California legislators don't get pensions anymore, but it does reduce the number of people that can run for office and makes it so that most legislators are rich people. Most regular people can't just stop their jobs for a couple of years to be an elected official. I don't know why the word tenure in there.
  3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security.... ---Member of congress make ss contributions in their paychecks already (since 1984). http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html
  4. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do. --Again, sounds alright, but if a teacher wants to run for congress, they will lose at least two years of their retirement.
  5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%. --See note on congressional pay below. They typically give themselves raises less than this.
  6. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people. --They currently have a employer based healthcare system. Does this mean they would have to go into the individual market like people without insurance from their employer?
  7. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people. --They already have this except they have less rights because they can't sue people for defamation or slander.
  8. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women. Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. --What does this mean? What contracts?

Congressional pay: Congress is required by Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution to determine its own pay. Prior to 1969, Congress did so by enacting stand-alone legislation. From 1789 through 1968, Congress raised its pay 22 times using this procedure. Congressional salaries initially were $1,500. By 1968, they had risen to $30,000. Stand-alone legislation may still be used to raise Member pay, as it was most recently in 1982, 1983, 1989, and 1991, but two other methods — including an automatic annual adjustment procedure and a commission process — are now also available. Under the annual adjustment procedure, Members are scheduled to receive a 2.8% adjustment in January 2009. Members originally were scheduled to receive a 2.7% increase in January 2008. The increase was revised to 2.5%, resulting in a salary in 2008 of $169,300, to match the percent increase in the base pay of General Schedule (GS) employees. By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees. Congress voted to deny the scheduled January 2007 adjustment. Members previously received a pay increase (1.9%) in January 2006, increasing their salary to the rate of $165,200.

More at http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/97-1011.pdf

[-] 1 points by Concerned (455) 13 years ago
  1. There is no tenure for a Congress person; they are elected and do not serve for life.

  2. Congress DOES participate in Social Security and has done since 1984

  3. Federal Employees' Retirement System Act of 1986." http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

  4. Congress votes on whether or not they receive a Cost of Living increase - Seniors didn't get one the past two years and neither did Congress.

  5. Members of Congress are covered by private insurance under the same system that covers all federal workers; the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, (covers more than 8 million other federal employees, retirees and their families). " http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/

6 .In 1994, when Republicans were in control of both House and Senate, Congress passed the Congressional Accountability Act (PL 104-1), which makes Congress be in compliance with Civil Rights Laws, Labor and Workplace Safety laws it had previously enacted.

  1. There is no "contract" with Congress other than the Constitution they swear to uphold. If you don't want the same people in there, then vote out all incumbents....
[-] 0 points by Cancelcurrency (72) from Anchorage, AK 13 years ago

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.