Forum Post: Closing our park

Goodbye wall street and occupy. I've been on this board a while now, and enjoyed the discussion and debate. Here's some of my posts: http://ows.superunion.org/results/?q=ramous

But we think we're done in our small town. We've been sitting here watching the live feed of the eviction in Zucotti. We thought we were one with OWS. But what we are seeing there is a sense of whining of unrealistic expectations. We see that we don't understand the difference between peaceful assembly and a forceful occupation. We see that we don't understand that if we just sit there and passively resist, we are STILL going to get arrested and moved bodily from the area when we forcibly occupy. We see that we don't understand that police are entitled to use force to move us bodily if we dont move when they say. We see that the young people are just pretty much uninformed about their rights and responsibilities and the constitution they keep whining about. We see that we don't realize how good we have it. In America, police ask before they evict. In other countries, no asking, and real bullets. Dozens dead in the Syria protests this week. And ows whines Police Brutality.

We have been here a peaceful movement in our local camp, working with the city. We shut down and go home on their art walk nights. We agreed to leave between thanksgiving and Jan 2 so the city could have its holiday concerts and festivities. In turn, they let us stay and let us have electrical power. Every other night for almost 2 months I have been in this park holding a sign by the road so people can see. And then I go home and get on this board and try to find anything shared that goes along with what we SAY we're doing. But nobody in ows anywhere agrees on anything. And when OWS said peaceful, I thought it meant it. right now, Id settle for no whining and knowing that police brutality in other countries is death. In US, it is telling you to move in a mean way and you don't, and you chest butt them (like the ows guy livestreaming at 5:15 am EST) then they arrest you? And OWS is unrealistic and whines about it.

I wish I could see a cause. I wish I could see a peaceful assembly. but tonight on live feed I didn't hear or see peaceful. I saw forceful occupation and physical and vocal resistance that was not passive. And OWS ..the OWS girl livestreaming, every word out of her mouth was fuck them fuck this fuck that. The OWS guy livestreaming..arguing with OWS members like a jerk, then getting in the chest butt to a cop. It was antagonistic. Maybe because i come from a country where there is real police brutality, real police state, that the calmness i saw from police on the live feed is making me disgusted at American young people weakness and drama. Tear gas is nothing. They are just making you move like they told you they would. That's not a violation of any civil rights when you take over a park and they retake it back. After they ask nice for you to move.

Come to Mexico. Real bullets. People disappear forever. That's police brutality. Which is why I came to America to become a citizen. Because here, we are more free than anywhere else in the world. And can't even see it.

Be well, OWS. Tomorrow morning we are cleaning up and going home. I respected some of you opinions here and got good discussion.

Now I leave you with a little advice.
1) passive resistance. do not swear or threaten police. that is a type of attack when you antagonize them. not peaceful at all and ows livestreamers antagonizing them all night.
2) when they come to arrest, and they will. SIT DOWN. do not resist. any resistance means they can use more force. they are allowed to, plain and simple. 3) stay calm. panic means someone might make a mistake and get hurt. 4) do not get too close to cops! They can think you are getting too close to their gun and hurt you bad to get you away from it. 5) do not touch a cop. same reason. they are allowed to use force. 6) be glad you live in America. This is nothing. It might become something. 7) forcible occupation. that's what we're doing. But I think that this may change definitions of peaceful assembly by the time the ACLU is done. but right now, its forcible occupation.
8) pass out cards to all police and military to www.oathkeepers.org. they really are on your side and don't want to hurt you or you would all be dead like the syrian protesters. but that calmly doing their job, what they are doing is not brutality.

Some day, come live in the real world where the rest of the world does.

Peace out muchachos. E. Ramos.