Forum Post: Class war, throughout the world. Is this not a world war?
Posted 12 years ago on July 10, 2012, 3:21 p.m. EST by richardkentgates
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Just because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of what war looks like does not change the reality. In some countries the war is being waged with ideas and laws, in some countries it is being waged in the classical sense of the word. Never the less, it is war and it is global. Welcome to WW3.
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thye US could stop dropping bombs today
something is going on, that's for sure. i am disgusted in the arrogance of our government and power structures. fuck them. they have no respect for us. i sort of hate anyone that needs fame, wealth, or power. egotism.
Class war is civil war or outright revolution.... not WWIII.
Occupy and the theme of class war is currently world wide. Therefore any title should include a consideration for the reach and scope of this struggle.
WWIII only no one has noticed? An undeclared but never the less real war.
Huh.
It is a classic struggle for independence from those that take too much and offer little in return. A struggle against being ruled by and oppressed by the aristocracy. The base for all revolutionary war. This struggle is at large in every corner of the world and in every form.
Kinda makes one wonder about prophecies - Hey?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/of-the-people-by-the-people-for-the-people-an-open/
I'm sure they get a lot of letters. In fact, a lot of the campaign cash is used to hire research firms that are reading this forum and independent blogs every day, to build talking points. They know what we want and how bad things are but like every government that becomes inept and disconnected, they fool themselves into thinking they can wait it out. "Just exude confidence and it will work out". This of course is all they can do once they have backed themselves into a corner because delusional people never admit to being wrong.
We are a nation at war with our own government.
I don't see that too be true. Our struggle is a class war. Lobbyist are paid to fight wage increases and to seek decreases in social programs. They lobby to decrease their own tax liability all while they employ people for 40 hour work weeks and those people still require the social programs that nobody wants to pay taxes to cover. This leaves the cost and burden on a shrinking middle class and will ultimately collapse the economy. Bankers want to be deregulated while they place bets with FDIC insured money earned by the working class, JP Morgan thinks their loss is none of our business, and when they fuck up the workers lose their savings and/or will be straddled with the bill. The wealthy do nothing, gain everything, and take no responsibility when they loose what they didn't work for. It's a one sided society set up with one class so hungry they will work for less and less. Another class to enjoy the spoils of an entire nation. This is class warfare. It's fine to exaggerate, poke fun, or downplay it but that doesn't change the way this ends. Check the history books.
I think we just said the same thing - this government is at war with its people. At some point, we have to ask ourselves if the Federal government would exist without the tax revenue - and if so, why, and to what extent. We can look to history for this - at one time there was no federal withholding, no income tax. At the present time, it sits atop a rather large treasury but with a long history of corruption and mismanagement, and it's not getting better, it's getting worse. That's why I say, we are at war with government; it's a matter of individual prosperity - those who pay taxes are facing a much greater tax burden with not the slightest hint of change in political philosophy. In short, if this is to be a government that at rests on a public treasury, where individuals are free to impart some personal interest, then we must end this borrow and spend madness.
Borrow and spend is a funny talking point. On one hand the right complains about tax and spend. On the other, they use patriotism in the media to opt out of this talking point long enough to feed their military contractors and manufacturers. As it stand now, the right pushed for and got a reduction in funding for food stamps, but a budget cut for the military is coming up soon and they are already calling this a "Fiscal Cliff". One cannot be serious about cutting the budget only when it comes to hungry children but justify spending for more bombs. The cut in question is 500 billion. Ask yourself, how did our military budget get so high? Well it's so high because the right wants to play bad ass on the block and that cost money. No, I'm not at all talking about tax and spend. I'm talking about the contractors, the manufacturers, their lobbyist, and the politicians that suck their cock for reelection money.
Yea but both sides are lying to you here - this administration has concluded some of the biggest foreign military contracts in our history, some 50 billion this year alone. This is definitely good for defense contractors and those that are employed by defense contractors. When you speak of military cuts, you speak primarily of a reduction of force. Clinton imposed such a drastic reduction that he actually forced out career soldiers; they lost their pensions and the lifetime medical benefit; what had previously been viewed as a perpetual contract of 20 and out was denied to them with as much as 17 years in-service. Really despicable in the sense that these benefits are viewed in the same manner as those unionized; the fact that the employment contract has expired in the form of a three or four year contract of enlistment, does not authorize them to deny the existing benefits of the past contract - in essence it constitutes the offer of a perpetual contract, if one chooses to reenlist. With so many unemployed, reducing military personnel thereby denying young people an opportunity to learn a skill, of any level, to employment, to medical benefits, to travel and meet others... in my opinion, is a big mistake.
I don't like the lobbyists or the corruption either but it's present at all levels of government; whether we approve or disapprove of their choice to serve, we yet do not walk in their shoes... I would rather not deny this avenue to little people.
The hungry children you refer to, too, is somewhat distorted. Spanish only TV channels are now pushing food stamps as if they were a corporately owned, marketable and profitable product, and in fact they are - the program has proven highly profitable to JP Morgan.
Your argument seems to be postulated on the premises of partisanship. Class war is not about political party. It's a battle as old as civilization and now it has come to a head.
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