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Forum Post: Can we all agree on these demands??

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 8:35 p.m. EST by TLydon007 (1278)
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[-] 1 points by RichardGates (1529) 13 years ago

feel free to take part in a poll http://blog.richardkentgates.com/

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[-] 1 points by redgar (55) 13 years ago

Too many positive rights. I'm a pacifist. In order to guarantee these as rights we need to enable government to use force to extract wealth from others in order to give to others. As a pacifist I can't support the violence that needs to be behind the enactment of positive rights.

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

Actually, you're a libertarian loosely describing the non-aggression principle under the guise of being a pacifist. I'm familiar with it because I was once a part of your cult.

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[-] 1 points by redgar (55) 13 years ago

I was once part of your cult as well. I'm both a pacifist and a libertarian.

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

Yes, but then you read Atlas Shrugged and started imposing Ayn Rand's meticulously constructed fantasy world on to the real world, even though they are completely different.

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[-] 1 points by redgar (55) 13 years ago

No, that would be an Objectivist. I'm not an Objectivist.

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[-] 1 points by freedomyny (1) 13 years ago

You had some woman on Larry K - who was cluelessl...and didn't know the issues! Please....Please...if you are going to have someone speak for you...please make sure that they know what they are doing. This is way too important.

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

When was some woman on Larry King??? Larry King hasn't had a show since December. Was it related to the protests??

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 13 years ago

Nope!, Too soon. Any demand list is premature. Almost everyone, except Rip van Winkle, know that there are a lot of problems, some small, some big. Some are easy. Some are very hard and will take time to really get right. Some are urgent some are important but can wait a while.

The strategy of saying. "We are the 99%, you know it isn't working right for us. Help fix it. We are committed to non violence, BUT we aren't going away. If you are interested in helping fix it welcome. If not, you might want to listen to your customers, shareholders, employees, suppliers, neighbors, friends, etc.They may be in the 99% or know people who are and believe that some things just aren't right, fair, or even efficient and could be improved." This is working (watch the news). After THEY have acknowledged the issues and offered some serious solutions, then we can start real negotiations about solutions, priorities, schedules etc. It is really easy to sell out too cheaply, but it isn't necessary. How long as the problem list been getting longer? How long have we been protesting?

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

Too soon?? It's from 1944. If anything its either too late or just on time,

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[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 13 years ago

Seriously, I think you misunderstood my intent. It is certainly past time that these problems get fixed. I was addressing what I believe are the best tactics to get what we want. To wit: Right now it is about numbers, protesters and locations. We need to grow these as quickly as possible. Narrowing the list of problems at all now, only frustrates and turns away those that are concerned about what gets dropped off of the list.

The one percent (assisted by some of our friends) are starting to acknowledge the validity of a lot of problems and they are starting to think and talk about solutions. They want support for the 99%. They will offer solutions to try to co-opt us.

Then is the time to look at the list, prioritize, and schedule. That is what is too soon to start doing publicly.

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure. This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty. As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness. We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”[2] People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed. Among these are: The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation; The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation; The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living; The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad; The right of every family to a decent home; The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health; The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment; The right to a good education. All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being. America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens. For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.

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[-] 0 points by oceanweed (521) 13 years ago

end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.

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[-] 1 points by TLydon007 (1278) 13 years ago

I like LauTzu's response better.

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