Forum Post: Can the Tea Party and OWS join forces?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 30, 2011, 10:43 p.m. EST by ryancozzens
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Are the occupy Wall Street people and the tea party really at odds?
Both are rooting for the middle class to succeed.
What we are seeing is a bipartisan effort to keep the middle class at war with on another. I propose that OWS and the Tea Party sit down and discuss a united push to remove money from politics, specifically ending corporate personhood.
There are many issues which the two parties strongly disagree, but those issues can be worked out once the Democratic Process isn’t being manipulated by the super-rich.
We are all upset with the way the government paid to fix the fraud in the Banking industry that was the major cause of the economic collapse. We all want to see the criminals responsible tried and if convicted sentenced to hard time.
We are all upset with the fact that prisons are full of addicts that would be better served by a broad healthcare treatment and education program to help progress them In life rather than keep them from future employment.
We will all appose watching jobs go to India and China so that the top investors can profit while the workers suffer.
The first solution to all of these and many other problems is to create an environment where Democracy is not sold to the highest bidder.
"Tea Party" is just a new name for the same old pro-life (but mostly pro-death), homophobic, racist, selfish, greedy, hateful and ignorant far right Klan. FUCK THEM.
Hey genius, the "Klan" was a democrat only organization! Not far right in any way.
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Fuck Occupy Wall Street http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBXrD9_DK1g
Fuck you. You are driven by selfishness and fear. Pathetic.
So is it more selfish to want to keep what you work for, or to tax and take what someone else has worked for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7leJ8NkkV1Y
Wow lazy, tell us how you really feel.
Seeing that 40% of population is conservative, it's hard to represent the 99% without representing them too.
But, judging from your namesake, you seem more troll than anything
How am I a troll? It's called sarcasm. Right wing fucks like to label protesters as lazy or jealous or anarchists instead of acknowledging the legitimacy of the movement's claims. And I for one have no interest in working side by side with moronic "conservative" fucks. I want nothing to do with the "bend over for the rich" idiots. Most "conservatives" vote against their own self-interest because they either fall hook line and sinker for Republican politicians pandering to their superstitions or they are racist scum and fall hook line and sinker for Republican rhetoric that marginalizes anyone who is "different" from lillywhite "conservative" American fools.
eh, its the media labeling us to keep both groups from succeeding (corporations, HUGE corporations own the media outlets), just like they are making us out to be violent anarchists. I came here from teaparty, and am behind OWS 100% just as I am behind them 100% because the two groups are actually both against the same big things and want to make our government accountable and free from corruption. All kinds of smaller side issues aside that can be worked out. I dont know if it would work, BECAUSE the media (and the corrupt government and corporations) have labeled both OWS and TP so strongly and loudly that it seems we are at opposite ends, but the two groups are not. If OWS fails over the winter because we can not get organized, I suspect TP will pick up where we left off and bring the message to the ballot box.
The tea party is a joke.
And they think we are for pissing in jugs. We think they are for wearing silly hats. thanks for helping make my point that Media is all.
What do you believe as a tea partier? What are your positions?
That the government is corrupt and we need change. That the government incumbents are responsible for accepting all the corporate bribes and needs to be accountable. And vote in NEW people to office who don't have the old records of being bought out by lobbyists. Im mexican-american btw. Not all that different from OWS --OWS going after the corporations for buying out the government, TP going after the government for accepting the bribes. So Im happy on both sides of the same coin.
Did you vote for Bush twice? Did you vote for McCain/Palin?
no. bush then obama. and you?
So you voted for bush twice? Well done.
GDP was at its highest and unemployment was at its lowest under Bush. You're welcome.
"How am I a troll? It's called sarcasm." Being sarcastic is a trait of a troll. You're a troll.
Do you know how to tie your shoes?
Very meaningful response, but can you explain point by point how I am wrong?
Do you believe you can sound intelligent after your previous rants? You want me to point out how you are wrong? By painting with a broad brush, such as calling all conservatives racist. Didn't you ever see American Tale as a kid? Never say never? What that means is never deal in absolutes. Never say "they all" You'll always be wrong, and it makes you sound like a fool. It's not the truth. Not all conservatives are racist.
I believe that if you support the conservative agenda you support racism, but I find it interesting that even though I clearly stated "most" in my post you changed it to "all" in yours. Typical Republican smear tactic. Are you capable of honesty or any thought or action that is not in your own self interest?
Amen
Agree on What We Agree On. Let the other points Go. Copy Success. If you want specifics... Read My Post: 'Fighting Points- Choose and Do It Now'.
Baggers are sheep that only listen to Foxes.
"Are the occupy Wall Street people and the tea party really at odds?" Yes. Especially when OWS keeps bashing Tea Party and their supporters.
Not a chance in hell! These two orgs cannot be more different and would not be associated with each other.
The tea party showed their allegiance to the 1% by endorsing a no-tax pledge on people whose wealth and income increased almost three-fold and cheering when America lost its AAA credit rating. Tea party politicians constantly shoot down jobs bills. We don't need your toxic tea.
Oh yeah? I support owe and the tea party and all you know about tea party demographics is what the media tells you. I do not believe the horror stories I hear about Ows either.
And why can't both groups be somewhat different in their demographics and still work for the same goal for Money out of Politics? To shun people because 'they are different than me' and not want to work with them because 'they believe differently than I do' is racist, sexist, partisan and not constructive.
if OWS focuses like a laser beam on what has corrupted our system (endless and unlimited campaign bribery money, bribery via lobbyists and other large bundling entities; unregulated banking-restore Glass Steagle; restore the fairness doctrine - and a honesty clause on MSM coupled with a breakup to corporate giants to restore diversity in the press; break up ANY bank or financial entity that is TO BIG TO FAIL; ) I think we can all agree on those being a good start. An honest political system can work out the rest of our problems with an HONEST debate
Their media is already telling them not to join us because we are a bunch of dirty hippys.
Right, and the media similarly lies about them. Media (big business) doesn't want either movement to succeed. Can we guess why?
The Tea Party could not hold out tea cups!
Thus far, the Tea Party has shown that it is in favor of privatizing parts of the government services (destruction of public education/ prisons for profit) where the money simply gets siphoned into a different direction all the while denouncing the government and enacting legislation in favor of the corporatism. I do not see anything remotely in common.
There are some common ideas however, the Tea Party despises the OWS and because OWS knows this, OWS will never sell themselves out to partner with the Teabaggers!! Tea Party is busy noseing around here and insulting OWS, why don't you get on your own forums and do your part in your neck of the woods. I don't understand the amount of hate from non-ows participant and backers all over these forums. Literally for every OWS comment, you have a team of non-ows making fun of or insulting ows commentators. It's insane. The fact that you are so annoyed and so hateful that you can't contain yourself is disturbing. Let this movement grow at it's own speed, if you find nothing of interest here, why do you keep coming back? Why? Does it make you feel better to insult OWS? Do your balls get bigger? I'm sorry, I just don't see the benefit or reward!
I agree with you that both groups have a lot in common -- they see and identify the same problems with government.
The difference is that OWS has not yet defined it's "solution" and so the Tea Party, which has defined it's solution conservatively (and i mean this in the libertarian, supporters of Ron Lawl, original Tea Party group, not the Fox-news, co-opted group), has it's solution and believes it's solution is the apex of all solutions.
And therein is the rub.
The liberal movement has room for the conservative ideology, and is willing to look at what those interests and issues are, as well as look at a myriad of other ideologies -- from the most liberal to the most conservative.
But, the nature of conservatism (or at least political conservatism) is that it only sees itself as the viable solution, and any disagreement on that point is met with derision.
Or at least, this is my experience. One needs to be a liberal person with conservative political positions in order to fit in with the OWS movement. The problem is, not a lot of people with conservative political positions can find themselves as liberal people.
Agree, join forces, to beat same enemy . Leave for a longer agenda the diferences . Is part of the game to beat enemy dived him, dont let the FED, the BANKS , to divided TeaParty and OWS, when they are against same target. The enemy is strong, you need to at least join forces for a couple of months.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283954571626197&set=a.251051781583143.59756.204904669531188&type=1&theater
I think this graph sums it up well.
If OWS voted in Ron Lawl, he would completely disassemble the current Government, end all foreign wars and completely reduce taxes.
Than, people can elect someone after him and build a new, transparent government structure.
Either way, you need a Ron Lawl first.
Not all that different from OWS --OWS going after the corporations for buying out the government, TP going after the government for accepting the bribes from corporations. So Im happy on both sides of the same 'Money out of Politics' to end the corruption coin.
Steps needed to start talks with the tea Party
get rid of the following: move-on.org,...van Jones,unions,global alliance,neo- nazi's....
denounce: the politicians, celebrities and media that are aligning with you for personal gain and throw out the communists.....then we can talk!
Commissar AgnosticNixie hard at work repressing different viewpoints, as usual.
The media is responsible for labeling OWS liberal and the Tea Party conservative. Both are neither! The media and our gov't are trying to divide The People. It's us against them!! OWSers and Tea Party-ers stand for the same thing! Less gov't, the end to big banks' control over our political system, the end to corporate greed. End the Fed on top of this and we, The People, will have our country back and this nation will become the nation that our forefathers envisioned and fought for in the Revolutionary War!!! It's as simple as that. And don't listen to a word mainstream media has to say!! They're tools. I'm a so-called "conservative" Libertarian and I support Occupy Wall Street 100 percent!!
here here, well said!
I am a Tea Party suporter.
What parts of the tea party platform do you suport (sic)? Be specific.
I suport OWS now.
Do you think Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya? Because most of the tea party seemed to.
Who cares?
I do care, join forces, to beat same enemy . Leave for a longer agenda the diferences
I joied the forces.
I care.
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The problem is with the politicians we have in office, and have had in office for a very long time. They have gotten fat dealing with wall street and anyone else with a big pocket book to our detriment.
The first step, and main objective should be to replace every person in office. If the people can replace 80% or 90% of the people in office the message will be clear, "government is ruled by the people"
Yes, we will get rid of a few of the good ones, and yes we will elect a few who shouldn't be, but we have to flush the toilet.
To this end, joining with the Tea Party is logical. Lets take back our government and we can work on the other points where we don't agree.
Tea partiers are scum, the same right wing nutjobs with a new name.
that sounds like a fabulous and open minded place to start conversations and end divisiveness
Why would I want to have a conversation with a person who would buy and read Sarah Palin's book?
because hate, anger and prejudice are as much a part of the problem as corruption.
Yeah, from their side! You really want to stand in solidarity with people who want to ban gay marriage, ban abortion, deport every hard working Mexican immigrant, people who branded Obama a Muslim and questioned his citizenship, the same people who voted for Bush twice and are therefore directly to blame for most of this country's problems?
I want to replace every elected official with someone new, after that we can start talking on the issues like those. But until that first steps take place, nobody has any control over any of those issues. Corporations and corrupt politicians (Obama and Bush supporters alike) run the show.
They've already been talking on those issues, which is why I want nothing to do with them. OWS should reject the tea party as part of the problem.
talking with the same politicians who want them to be the topics as usual that people scramble around about while ignoring the fact that this country is being violated. The tea party is fed up with government corruption, OWS is too, so lets take the government back and actually start having meaningful conversations.
The right & the left should unite behind specific issues that they can agree on to get things done.
Whether it be through Tea/Occupy or some other organizations, it is crazy how divided we are in this country, yet there is common ground on many important issues.
Bailouts, drug war, Patriot Act - you can find people all over the spectrum who would unite behind certain things. One issue at a time, we can do it.
We're really not divided. Mainstream media and the gov't want us to believe this.
exactly. because media is owned by big corporations. OWS or TP fail, the corporations win, government stays bought.
That is my thought too. Does anyone know if there has been anything organized between the two groups. I just dont want to see cable news ruin it like they always do?
Why can't Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party join forces? It may sound ridiculous, at first glance they seem polar opposites. OWS are flaming liberals, Tea Party'ers are tobacco chewing conservatives. But based on Occupy Wall Street's new message to 'get money out of politics', both groups are not far off from aligning with one another.
Getting the money out of politics has been tried before by our elected officials. But that's exactly the problem. Elected officials are the people making the money off of our corrupt system. They don't want the system to change.
Now that the people are calling to get money out of politics, we may have something here.
I am with you
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You are right but even better is to recognize that some people will always stereotype to the lowest common denominator. Refuse to go there and move forward
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MikeyD, I'm glad you disagree with my descriptions. They're intended to point out the ridiculous nature of labels the media spins both groups. Both groups have both repubs and dems, libs and cons in them. But BOTH groups, not just the Tea Party, should carry the torch to Washington, not to corporations.
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the lower class wants to succeed also
What is comes down to, really, is core values... common goals, an alliance.
No. The teabaggers are being coordinated and controlled from above by people like the Koch brothers. The teabaggers hate you because they want a scapegoat. Many are retirees who depend on their social security checks, but want the government to get out of peoples lives. They never define what that means....or they point to social issues or governmental functions where they can never be assuaged. They are, like OWS, a collection of paradoxes. The difference, however, is that they are driven by emotion...anger, fear, frustration, bitterness, and emptiness.
Movements driven by emotion are easily controlled....all they have to do is get you emotional and your rational brain shuts down. They are cannon fodder for the rich but will resent being labeled as such. You have no hope with them, so stop trying.
Never gonna happen. Too much of a difference in core values. And as soon as the Guy Fawkes masks come out and the hippie-dippy cult chanting and finger-diddle stuff starts up, it's all over. lol
This is correct.
The teabag party and OWS both see the same problem. That doesn't mean there's any chance of them working together.
The Nazis and the German Communist party both hated the Weimar Republic government and wanted to destroy it. That didn't stop them from killing each other in street brawls.
No! As soon as MoveOn.org was indicated the tea party was no longer possible in this movement.
One is communist at heart the other is anti governement, I have no clue how those two are similar at all.
Actually, you are just going off the media, which is what the power brokers are hoping you do.
The minute people start actively searching for their own solutions, its game over for the corrupted.
Real good point hchc.
No I came to the conclusion on my owne after reading all the whacked commie postings on this site and being a tea party activist myslef. Don't tell me "Power Brokers" influenced me through the media. You conspiracy theorist are fucked in the head
Well Ive been to plenty of occupations, and have met very few communists. About the same has the number of racists I have met at Tea events.
Funny I have seen many commie comments and a few racist anti jewish comments on this site. So your delusional if there are not a lot of commies in the OWS movement, either that or like the majority of them don't even realized their commies. Keep praying an OWS supporter gets killed by the man so it legitimizes the cause you commie bastard.
you are quite the hateful bastard arent you. Im capitalist, and support ows and tea. Too bad you just to so many conclusions.
You are confusing Communism with Socialism. Certainly there are many people in the Occupy movement (myself very much included) who would like to see a socialized healthcare system, but i am not seeing much more than that. What you may be seeing is an effort to force the 1% to pay the fare share for the country that often acts a a personal security force for them.
But Communism removes democracy and that is clearly the polar opposite of OWS. Communism is a system of rule that affects many aspects of ones personal life beyond finances, for example Communism institutionally rejects religion.
As far as anti-semetic remarks, that is either plants to make the movement look bad or some Jackass trying to hijack the movement for his own personal agenda. Which is also counter to the cause and they will be weeded out sooner rather than later.
Thats why I am reading many comments and postings openly advocating the government seizing the weatlth of the 1%. Once thatis considered acceptable what is next the seizing of wealth from the top 10% and then why stop there. Communism does not start with a Stalin advocating murdering millions it starts with a bunch of idealistic socialist who promise the world to the many at the expense of the few. Sounds very similar to OWS.
Do you think Eisenhower was a commie? During the 1950s we had a 91%-92% top marginal income tax rate. Was that seizing the wealth of the top 10%?
A socialized healthcare system is not socialism.
Your an idiot, thats like saying I'm a christian but I'm also an Aethiest
I support because any kind of action in this apathetic, moronic nation is a good thing. Pulling the lever for one side or the other, every four years, isnt enough participation.
Your one of the people that makes it moronic you realize that don't you?
Here ya go, you mental midget..... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=picture+chart+showing+tea+party+and+ows+fighting+the+same+thing&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7TSNA_enUS384US384&biw=1366&bih=628&tbm=isch&tbnid=XM7U5WzK6AIN4M:&imgrefurl=http://right-side-of-lowell.blogspot.com/2011_10_01_archive.html&docid=mX_aiCUDBPBjBM&imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-S6eajjxA4x8/TqVKBOqUJiI/AAAAAAAAATc/kXicPV_tArE/s1600/OWSvsTP-thumb-615x336-66095.jpg&w=567&h=310&ei=aSGxToi-EYKDgAfj9YGyAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=862&vpy=160&dur=728&hovh=166&hovw=304&tx=155&ty=94&sig=113939254168729112619&page=1&tbnh=113&tbnw=206&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0
To label the protesters communist is so ludicrous, you are either intentionally spewing misleading rhetoric or you are an ignorant fuck. I suspect the latter.
misleading 'media' rhetoric to be more precise. If its easy to understand the media have labeled protesters communist when they are not (the majority), can we use a few more brain cells to expand upon that and see that the media labelled the tea party as something a few of them might be but the majority are not?