Forum Post: Can the OWS Movement Think Outside the Box?
Posted 13 years ago on Dec. 17, 2011, 4:20 a.m. EST by 1DimensionalMan
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This is the hardest box to "think outside of."
It simply is not enough to protest against the wayward powers that be, the so-called "1 Percent." One must come up with solutions. And there's the catch.
It seems our very ability to devise solutions to the systemic problems we've created is limited by two fundamental barriers.
First, how we conceive of progress, enlightenment, or freedom is shaped by a peculiarly undeniable aspect of human nature: self-interest.
Second, our contemporary fundamental ways of thinking that would deliver the goods, not just to me but to you, too, have been limited in their genesis; we seem bounded at the outset by systematic methods. Financial systems; government systems; educational systems; all are good and offer some degree of productivity and freedom.
But each comes with the seeds of its limitations built in. Beginning there, with the propensity to solve complex issues with a systems approach, would appear in itself to lead to its own undoing. This is the box we must somehow break out of.
Can we do better? For my part, I will be leading a class in Los Angeles in 2012 to explore (if and) how we can find a new path. I will report my findings here by March.
Having said that, let me add that, from within the box, I too am outraged at how lame-brained Congress and the SEC have been in making predatory lending legal, and then looking the other way while the banking system gorged itself, nearly collapsing.
Unchecked and unregulated, banks can only want one thing: more. And now they have it.
One clear solution: break up the banks in order to 1) reduce their size, and 2) separate commercial from investment banking. It worked with the SEC Acts of 1933 and 1934. It will work again.
But among elected leaders, who has the vision, the stamina, the political courage to do what is good (as proven by history) for the country?
The chair. There is an exercise where people stand in a circle facing in the same direction. At the same moment everyone creates a lap for the person in front of them to sit on and be supported. Therein lies the secret of our healing.
Elizabeth Warren Russ Feingold Alan Grayson Bernie Sanders
One way is to get Glass Steagal but first -
Words are easy - action is hard.
Are you ready
.....................FOR ACTION
Are you ready to
.....................DO SOMETHING REAL ?
Are you ready to
......................join 83% ........ of Americans ?
We must not
DEMAND that we WANT THEM.to give to US
We must
DEMAND GOALS THAT WE WILL ACHIEVE FOR OURSELVES
Because of the Supreme Court's decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant, without FIRST -
Overturning Citizens United !!!
Ending Corporate Personhood !!!
83% of Americans already agree on it
as stated in the ABC/Washington Post poll
In the the PFAW Poll -
IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process. 5
OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO ACT MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one task the MAJORITY.
Join the OWS Restore Democracy Working Group at
..............http://www.nycga.net/groups/restore-democracy
regular meetings 6-8PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium @ Wednesdays
Plan details with supporting documentation at:.... http://bit.ly/vK2pGI
IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO ACT ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
TO END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD
Whereas --
The OWS Declaration of the Occupation of New York City states that
"a democratic government derives its just power from the people,
not from corporations."
and --
the ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 83% of the entire US population
opposes the Supreme Court Citizens United decision,
which affirmed that corporations are people.
and --
by supporting the overturning of corporate personhood,
OWS clearly aligns itself with the vast majority of the American people
who support ending the fundamentally flawed and anti-democratic concept
that corporations are people.
therefore --
We support a constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood.
How's this for thinking outside the box?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/communism-is-the-way-to-go/#comment-513577
http://occupywallst.org/forum/economic-freedom/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nutshell-is-back-new-and-improved/
http://metapolitik.org/nutshell
http://metapolitik.org/article/approaching-metapolitical-discourse
It's funny that word "solution". It's like you need a lot of water to melt down and dissolve a problem to make it disappear, temporarily... But when the water evaporates, the problem is still here. We are running out of water to "dis-solve" problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3hZsXrxaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQqjTxI3vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w