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Forum Post: Calling for Global Government?

Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 10:36 p.m. EST by OccupantUK (19)
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Hi there, I have been involved with an Occupation in the UK. Today I was watching a video of a speech given at this Occupation (Manchester to be specific) and in it, a woman relaid a Manifesto, apparently from OWS, calling for Global Government.

I was wondering if anybody could confirm, deny, or simply provide more information on this?

Thankyou.

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

Posted Oct. 20, 2011, 6:30 p.m. EST (4 hours ago) by FHampton

"Athens braced for 'mother of all strikes'"

"Thousands of riot police are being rushed to Athens ahead of what one Greek daily has dubbed 'the mother of all strikes' – a 48-hour stoppage with a pledge by unions to flood the capital with protesters"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/oct/18/greece-awaits-mother-of-all-strikes

http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-situation-in-greece/

[-] 1 points by SpaghettiMonster (90) 13 years ago

Yeah, this would be a horrific idea. However, all governments of the world should feel inescapably bound to one another. This planet is getting smaller everyday, and it's not just one nations duty to plan and build for the future.

I do wonder however, if we ever become a truly space faring civilization, will we be able to leave petty things like nationalism behind? Surely everyone realizes the potential we have, just imagine what could be accomplished with the world as a whole working towards the progress of all humanity. We either have a very exciting future ahead of us, or a vary bleak one IMHO.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Couldn't have put it better myself, it's something that one day, when Humanity reaches a certain point will be inescapable. Right now however it's the last thing anybody should be asking for, if democracy isn't working on a national level all over the globe, why does anyone think it will work on a global scale? If that happened it wouldn't benefit the 1% it would benefit the 0.01% and the 99.9% would be screwed.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

the banks are international

the oil companies are international

I've seen others calling for global government

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Within the movement? How many people do you think are calling for this and what are some of their reasons? Any info greatly appreciated.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

my reason is to end war

many realize that we live in a global economy/ecosystem

to gather more, this thread be periodically expanded

to keep it near the top of the forum

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

People will always fight amongst each other, hell people fight over different postcodes. Global Government will not solve war, it will create a much larger scale conflict, because if you create such a small power base for the entire Earth, there will be an awful lot of competition to be in that seat of power. Frankly I think it's a nice idea, but it's wholly idealistic, countries should remain as sovereign states, and our first priority should be to make our own countries fair. Not to push a system that doesn't work onto a global scale.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

why not create a large power base ?

many have access to global communication and broadcast

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Just look at the UN, America veto's something, and it doesn't happen, every other UN member state could vote for something, and if the richest country disagrees, it doesn't get done. Corruption happens, when we've moved past corruption, maybe I'd be willing to entertain ideas like that. Creating a system of global dominance and handing that to a small corruptable group of people, seems like a very very bad idea to me. It seems naive to think these problems will just disappear if you take the power further and further away from the people it should represent.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

sounds like the distopic government already exist were the powerful nations call the shots

a transition might be a bicameral UN where

One House would represent by population

and another house represents by nation

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Still it doesn't answer the question of corruption, financial institutions would try even harder to influence the politics of a global government. All of the problems we currently face would be magnified a hundred fold. Give the power back to the people, give them real democracy, don't take the power further away.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

let the representatives be lobbied and supported by they public voice of each district

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

That's supposed to be how it works in many countries right now, and still financial institutions have a large impact on policy. It doesn't work nationally, it wouldn't work globally.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

I think people in the united states are better off than they were 100 years ago

the union movement

the suffragette movement

the civil rights movement

the anti-war movement

the anti-nuclear weapons movement

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

What has that got to do with global government?

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[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

No question, I never said they weren't. Considering the technological developments in the last 100 years, we could all be much better off than we currently are. Not just in the US.

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 13 years ago

Global govt. is the same as one world govt. which is what the nwo wants,their benefactors are the Bilderbergs, and they are beholden to the Illuminati who desire to hand the world over the the anti-Christ. One world, one currency, one head. They will even sell the idea of a one world army to the world when the world gets sick of wars. This will happen after the war with Israel which will last for seven years, during which time it will take seven months to bury the dead from the war. In the sixth year of the war, the anti-Christ will rise and get a peace treaty signed between Israel (and the US which is one of her allies) and the rest of the Muslim world. It's prophecy from 1400 years ago, and you are seeing it unfold right now, before your eyes.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

I didn't post here to speculate about prophecy. I'm asking for concrete evidence about somebody claiming to represent OWS and calling for Global Government. Which we can all agree is pretty messed up.

[-] 1 points by lisa (425) 13 years ago

Well as I understand it, OWS wants to change what is in place now and the only way to substantially do that is via Revolution, what happens after that? The first thing is the institution of martial law by the govt. in power now that wants to have 'continuity' while they deal with millions of angry defiant people. After that, probably a military run regime like they have in Egypt. In Egypt free elections could have taken place thirty days after Mubarak stepped down. It did not happen, they were told, no elections till September, which was the time elections were supposed to happen anyway. They just jerked them around and did what they want, putting the military in charge of the people, and we sure don't want that here, oh no, no, no.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Hopefully it won't come to that, my main concern right now is that people are trying to represent the movement, and are calling for a global government. Egypt is one country, this will play out differently everywhere.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 13 years ago

None here promote one world governance. Hell, not one countries government can get shit going correctly!

[-] 1 points by michael4ows (224) from Mountain View, CA 13 years ago

Global government... nfw?

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

My thoughts exactly.

[-] 1 points by concernedinutah (102) 13 years ago

We already have a global government - multinational corporations have everything bought and paid for in most countries through bribes. Here in the US they are called campaign donations. We need campaign finance reform if we ever want to get our democracy back.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Thanks, I'm aware of what's going on though. Just wanted more information on this manifesto and the accuracy of it.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

No not calling for anything right now. If you want to know whats going on in the center of this movement in the US anyway then click the NYCGA button on the header.

IF it doesnt come from that site it doesnt represent OWS. Though their are support sites and such. Everything official runs through that one.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Alright, thanks for the information!

I'll go and take a look.

[-] 1 points by CapitalismRulesPeriod (160) 13 years ago

There is a global goverment. It is called the Confederation of the United Nations

[-] 1 points by taysic (87) from Tiburon, CA 13 years ago

I don't know of this manifesto but OWS has repeatedly said there is no list of demands -- we are our demands. This is a leaderless movement of the people.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

I understand that, this is why I am asking, I am concerned that someone is spreading this information, pretending to represent the movement, when I believe this would be the complete opposite of what anyone at any occupation should be calling for.

[-] 1 points by taysic (87) from Tiburon, CA 13 years ago

Agreed. Sounds like that is what is happening.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

Personally? I'm a government of one.

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[-] 0 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

This is my proposal to create a World Federation, in inspiration of America’s original goal.

With this World Federation, 2 things are guaranteed to all:

  1. The right of basic needs.
  2. The opportunity to go higher.

In order to establish a Unified World Government with individual nations, a greatly empowered World Court to resolve international disputes and a peacekeeping force to give power to the laws by which we choose to govern ourselves is needed.

This World Government will include a Congress of Nations. This will have two representatives from every nation on Earth. It will also include a People’s Assembly with representation in direct proportion to a nation’s population.

The same balance of powers that was built into the U.S. Constitution will be built into our new World Constitution.

There will be, likewise, a:

  1. Judicial Branch
  2. Legislative Branch
  3. Executive Branch

Every nation will keep its internal peace-keeping police, but all national armies would be disbanded. This happened with our original states as each of them disbanded their armies and navies for a national peacekeeping force.

Each nation would reserve the right to form and call up their own militia on a moment’s notice.

Each nation would have the right to secede from the union based upon a vote of the people.

To recapitulate, the benefits of a Unified World Federation are:

  1. An end to abject poverty, death by starvation, and mass exploitation of people and resources by those of power.
  2. An end to wars between nations and the settling of disputes by killing.
  3. An end to the systematic environmental destruction of Earth.
  4. An escape from the endless struggle for better, bigger, and more.
  5. An opportunity that is equal for all people to rise to the highest expression of Self.
  6. An end to all limitations and discriminations holding people back-in housing, in the workplace, in the political system, in personal relationships, and more.
  7. All people would be offered a proper education.
  8. All people would be offered open opportunity to use that education in the workplace-to follow careers which bring them joy.
  9. All people would be guaranteed access to health care whenever and however needed.
  10. All people would be guaranteed the basic dignities of life so that survival would never again be the issue, so that simple comforts and basic dignities were provided to all human beings.
[-] 2 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

If we can't guarantee these things on a national level, I think trying to force them on a global level will do much more harm than good right now. Governments and financial institutions have way too much power as it is, I don't think giving more power to a smaller group of people is going to help us at all. I'm all for global unity, but not for global government.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

It's my proposal but it's not idealistic now. We need a short-term goal we can all agree on that will pave the way for global fairness and the respectful sharing of resources.

We are not ready for a government like this because we are not evolved enough yet.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Agreed, though it is a nice proposal in theory.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

Thanks. I hope you're doing ok wherever you are, OccupantUK.

[-] 1 points by OccupantUK (19) 13 years ago

Thankyou, and you aswell.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 13 years ago

no thank you!

[-] 2 points by lisa (425) 13 years ago

You need to be in Texas, they won't go along with the global govt. I think the revolution against the nwo will start in Texas.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

I did not mean to offend you. Sorry.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 13 years ago

Well honestly, thats a terrible idea. I have always railed against corporate consolidation of power. Consolidation of governing power will be even worse. Thats what the Exxons and the Haliburtons want!

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

Thanks for your input. It's okay, all I want is for everyone to come together and to share. I refuse to allow corporations to have any kind of influence on my proposal or in any government that could unite our nations.

I think if we based this government off the inspiration for america and also based off a completely visible, wide open, traceable, and accountable financial system based on credits and debits, we could eliminate so much corruption.

However, this is a proposal for when the world is mature, fair, equal, respectful, and loving of eachother. If we can't take care of our own nations, there's no way we can all peacefully come together to make sure no one human being ever suffers again.

[-] 1 points by yasminec001 (584) 13 years ago

I do not know much information on the woman's proposal, but I think we are planning for a short-term goal until we are secure enough to really change the world.