Forum Post: CALLING all MOTHERS! "The Greater Meaning of Free Speech"
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 14, 2011, 10:30 p.m. EST by CobyART5
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This is how you can get your wish for your children. We need mothers, mommies, moms and ma's everywhere to rally for what our children need which transcends to what our country and indeed the world needs. If we can do this, our leaders will have no choice but to listen!
In getting familiar with the Article 5 Convention, I was especially drawn to the info regarding the "Greater Meaning of Free Speech" (GMFS) as an amendment to solidify the success that an Article 5 Convention would provide for us. Interesting as well, is that this is not a new concept in that it predates the Declaration of Independence.
Our freedom of speech has been dangerously chipped away at. To have the Greater Meaning of Free Speech etched back into our consciousness and our constitution for our children and our leaders to be protected, indeed encouraged to practice ~"forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."~ as the proposed amendment clarifies.
What mother would not want to ensure her child these freedoms and nurture from these core principles from the earliest stages of life. The GMFS can integrate beautifully into teaching values of positive and productive socialization by children as well as the truth to the people. How could the world's leaders go astray if taught this way, and then to know that they're constitutionally protected throughout their leadership terms, in fact bound by them to stay truthful by virtue of the people they govern having an integral role in keeping the rights of the people from ever straying off course again.
As a mom, my heart aches at how far we've been led away from these teachings. I fear that our country and our globe will not survive if we, one; do not get back to the importance of these fundamental values, and second; take the "Greater Meaning of Free Speech" and the Artcle 5 convention and secure our rights through the constitution.
Hi CobyART5, as a mom myself I can very much understand your great concern for our childrens future and survival of the globe! I would add to this GMFS, GMFSE (Greater Meaning of Free Speech & Education). So far to date the Education system is simply an institution set to implant into our brains and those of our children cold hearted standardized robotic intellect in order to integrate into a segregated un-stable on the verge of complete breakdown society. So for me thats not education due to its complete lack of tools for helping us and our children to form, qualify and quantify those intrinsic qualities that make us inherently human ("forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance,mutual respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.") Where education would focus on these as a foundation basis, and focusing on developing acceptance and compassion for differences between peoples and cultures all over the planet – with the prime focus being that each one is a precious person with a special talent that could be used to promote the mutual good welfare for all society, and must be given the opportunity to work, have sufficient food, a place to live, have a family, and most of all to be given, if not the compassion and love of others, at least their respect. To provide the basic humanitarian needs to everyone, must be the aim of any society before it can call itself “civilised”. Perhaps till now we have evolutionized, now we must build together towards an altruistic based civilized world, Im feeling its our only chance to reach global sustainable survival ! Thank you for this very important post! Sincerely, Ruth
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Hello There Ruth,
Kudos to you, dear mother! Its s-o-o-o-o-o-o great to know there are other awakened mothers out there who know how the tentacled govenment has gotten a hold of our lives, and education is certainly one of the departments the New World Order and the government has managed to take control over our children's minds and lives. It sounds like you may know of a wonderful woman by the name of Charlotte Iserbyt. If not, I think you would enjoy her. You can find her on youtube.
I love the way you choose to emphasize the word 'acceptance'. It is inherantly more positive.
The Greater Meaning of Free Speech, once in use, would allow us to reinstate our education system as well as our human rights and everything else that has been eroneously ripped from the constitution and our very way of life.
The GMFS and an Article 5 Convention would also ensure that the monstrous federal government as well as state government would be handed back to the rightful people...the citizens. It would always guarantee that the size of governmant would stay proportionate to the population. Also, by virtue of the government's transparency under Article 5, it would render it's policies, procedural workings and general conduct nearly impossible to corrupt.
Is this not what we have always desired for ourselves and our children? It is absolutely appropriate as human beings to want a way of life that is fair and content, and it is appropriate that we fight for this justice and freedom for our children. Article 5 is our last chance for getting our rights back. If we wait any longer, I fear that we'll have lost our opportunity for a long, long time. Thank you Ruth, for your heartfelt letter. Please consider joining us in securing our children's future with an Article 5 Convention.
Hi Dear CobyART5 sorry for late reply so bogged down like all of us here with concern for future generations, thanks for replying to me I didnt know about Charlotte Iserbyt but now thanks to you I do :) so thank you soooo much wow shes one brave woman!!! Im overseas in Israel so I cant take place in US elections :) but I reinstate my vote with you all the way. Im posting here 2 links the first is a very inpsiring site with a great bunch of activist teachers from Canada and US (perhaps you know the site already) this is the link http://coopcatalyst.wordpress.com/ and another site i came upon today with a very interesting conversation about law and society http://cultureofempathy.com/Projects/Interviews/2010-11-22-Tikkun/index.htm perhaps you may enjoy these links, Happy holidays , all the best, Ruth
What a wonderful gift! Thank you. I will look at these the very first chance I get....and Happy Holidays to you as well.
CobyART5 that second link i posted here well I was just reading further down here some comments and well that link perhaps may be of interest because the person speaking is a prof. of law I just came across that site yesterday who knows maybe they can help advise, never know till we try and the other site well they are very active teachers striving for human education for all kids and looking for araising public awareness and are very open to exchanging ideas and cooperative mutual help. Happy Holidays
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Hi Ruth,
Thanks for the clarification. It looks like there is some headway into an Article 5 Convention. The "Greater Meaning of Free Speech" will probably come a little later, but there is progress. Some people are working very hard to help our children have a free future and a quality existence, but we can't afford to get complacent. This is just starting and we have to keep working and putting on the pressure to keep this alive.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/article-v-convention-happening-right-now-31-states/
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Mothers! Where are you? Please read this post, it is vital to your children's futures.
Hi CobyArt5 just to help boost this important post, yes I understand you as a concerned mother and I as 1 as well and the call to women as a whole everywhere, I believe it is a well known fact that it is deeply imbeded in our feminine nature this ability directed towards empathy and capability to sense and feel concern for the collective whole, for the well being of future generations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp4fDOjdOVg
http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-i-like-trolls/
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As with any action, we need as much support as possible with an Article 5 convention.
In thinking about the possible setbacks, one can't help but think about law enforcement. So I'm trying to come up with ways for specific exchanges with officers that occupyers can conduct.
There are a few ways we could do this. This forum surely must be read by at least some officers and probably military as well. So we can certainly do daily posts directed to police officers and military.
Direct Dialogue would be great by the protesters, but the officers are trained not to discuss these things with the protesters, so it would have to be done in the way of a mass group of people getting together and presenting the Article 5 convention directed specifically to the officers vocally in demonstration style, peacefully always. Signs would help. The officers would be patrolling of course, but would not have any choice but to listen.
I would have to check into the legality of this, but I thought about flyers being placed on the police officers vehicles, when they are vacated of course, but not at the protest site. Officers are not allowed to take flyers that are handed to them, but I have a feeling the officers would read a flyer if they found one on their windshield. The flyer would focus only the the Article 5 Convention, The Greater Meaning of Free Speech (GMFS), and appeal to them as the mothers and fathers that they are.
Also, there are internet shows like Alex Jones and others that would gladly give an interview to someone we could choose as a spokesperson for the Article 5 Convention action, who could then direct comments specifically to officers and perhaps military too.
I'd love to hear from anyone about other ideas.
I've got one. Flyers could be made and mailed or anonymously hand delivered to police officers homes. The officers and their spouses would be much more likely to read the flyer in the privacy of their own homes.
CobyART5 wrote: Direct Dialogue would be great by the protesters, but the officers are trained not to discuss these things with the protesters, so it would have to be done in the way of a mass group of people getting together and presenting the Article 5 convention directed specifically to the officers vocally in demonstration style, peacefully always. Signs would help. The officers would be patrolling of course, but would not have any choice but to listen. END-----
Yes, that will work. If law professors and constitutionalists coach them and they take turns with a one on one, lots of witnesses, essentially the cop is accepting service for congress or whoever. Each event should have valid crime cited in where due process was denied or some impact that would have been avoided had congress been constitutional. The witnesses need to be given time to show they affirm that such has validity.
Video would be great, but a declaration signed by protesters, held by the one presenting, taken to their state, copied and presented to state legislation along with a statement that congress has been notified the 99% have started a clock ticking on the official constitutionality of the US congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-3hZsXrxaI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkRFCtl2MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SQqjTxI3vc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
First it was youth, then it was the homeless, then it was those in more debt than they pay back and now its moms? Do you stop when one finally works or when you run out of demographics to call upon?
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REMEMBER? "First They Came for the Jews" By Pastor Niemoller "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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Yes, it is so logical that children be taught the value of listening so they might learn of things that enable their survival. Imagine if our society was conditioned openly with those values rather than a host of unreasonable, invisible social fears.
OWS refuses to hold DC accountable and as such, there is no incentive for DC to ratify the Constitution...besides, OWS doesn't have enough members to sway DC even if they did "occupy" DC.
Article 5 convention now. This is the concept that ends the medias stranglehold on truths needed for democratic action.
True about OWS, but DC or congress does not need to "ratify" at an article 5 convention unless the states cannot manage to do so at 3/4 of them.
If OWS was overtly defending the constitution and asking for an article 5 convention, many, many Americans would support them and join in. It is the call to unity. Our first and last constitutional right.
Lessig power point on article V http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gpbfY-atMk
Lots of facts here about Article V. http://algoxy.com/poly/article_v_convention.html
Article V conference, Lawrence Lessig at harvard 9/25/11-other attendee video comments http://vimeo.com/31464745
Interesting concept. Mommy power! I checked out the link in the main post. I see that the seeds are already sprouting with this strategy. What's the first step? I'm not super political, but I want to take part. How exactly is it that we can go about getting the politicians to listen?
It appears that occupy congress is the very first action. Specifically put them on notice that the 99% will consider them to be formally unconstitutional if a article 5 convention is not convening after notice is given.
Strategy for protestors is that they must overtly state they are present to defend the constitution. They should bring citations of violations of the constitution by congress. They should make common sense inferences to indicate the violations have led to crimes and treason and that such is over.
Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.
5 U.S.C. 3333 required you to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,
5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,
18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.
Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.
According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.
In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311
http://www.foa5c.org/file.php/1/Articles/Coleman.htm
Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
Interesting again! Occupying congress is something many occupiers want to do anyway. So, we mothers have that on our side already.
Slapping congress with a formal notice would be satisfying in the extreme.
Seems to me we need political lawyers to clearly state the violations of the oaths of office and the criminal activities that have unconstitutionally altered the form of government.
There may be some lawyers and judges already sympathetic to the OWS cause that could help. Of course, it would be really cool if there were some mommy lawyers in the OWS protesters that could do this collectively.
This of course takes money. If OWS will not fund this cause with the money it has collected, like it should, then we'll need to do raise the funds by small donations from the protesters separately from OWS, which will require educating the protesters on the Article 5 approach.
It really feels like this Article 5 convention would take care of many problems with just this one action. I'm not suggesting its going to be a cake walk, but really, its a no-brainer. This needs to happen.
Ok, so we've given them notice. Then What? Also, we need more mothers to get behind this action. We need huge numbers. How do we reach more people, especially mothers that aren't protesting in order to get this information to them?
Therein is what occupy can do, gain some media coverage. It is denied to the people otherwise. Free speech is abridged by power. The codes and constitution are written to be understandable without too great of vagary. The lawyers and judges have convinced people that they can run off with the meanings of things . Not so, if the people do not allow it.
I think what is so powerful for ordinary is to realize that there is vitually no logical opposition against this idea that information vital to survival be shared and understood protecting all of our lives. If one thinks there might be reason, let them first say;
Which mother or father in this nation will ignore or pass up the real opportunity to assure their child will grow into a nation that holds high and honors understanding that can create; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness?
America is in concensus right now, everywhere, it just does not know it. I think it is profound.
"Which Mother of Father...". That hit me right in the gut. You're right. No-one with a heart would want anything else for their child.
So, the problem becomes the media. We need access to the media to educate and keep the masses up to date about the progress of an Article 5 Convention and the Greater Meaning of Free Speech, but we need an Article 5 Convention and the Greater Meaning of Free Speech to give the people the power to change the laws surrounding the corporate monopolization of the media so that we the people can get access to the media. Hmmm....what to do? I imagine this needs legal intervention as well. I can't imagine the media conglomerates giving in to this very easily. You seem quite versed in Article 5...what do you suggest to get over this hurdle?
Yes, that is what OWS can do and if it focuses on using these instincts to bring famlies together for future generations, America can again know truths needed for decision making.
At some point legal aspects can be invoked, but that is after there is a well focused mass on article 5 and that America is very well informed as to its first and last constitutional right. Currently the elite see a mass of people demanding things but invoking no authority. They are ridiculing the movement because it has not taken the most lawful role it might.
In turn, each mother, and each father must speak each day about article 5 and doing it right with a revised 1st amendment. America needs to create a culture of activism in this respect.
That realization that we need to summon our instincts and dissolve our dfferences for our common futures, is what will logically make us support the concept of making sure speech vital for survival is shared and understood.
Petitions would work too wouldn't they? To help that part of the action. People always seem to put more emphasis on awareness when they've signed their name to it.
Article 5 convention NOW! Yes, but protesters actually presenting notice formally to congress need to write in the name of their congress person and their state district to make the notice formally apply. This is a rough template that could stand some refining for that purpose using the "Whereas . . ." form. Below is essentially arranged to be read aloud.
Federal law regulating oath of office by government officials is divided into four parts along with an executive order which further defines the law for purposes of enforcement. 5 U.S.C. 3331, provides the text of the actual oath of office congressional members were required to take before assuming office.
5 U.S.C. 3333 required you to sign an affidavit that you took the oath of office required by 5 U.S.C. 3331 and have not nor will violate that oath during your tenure of office as defined by the third part of the law,
5 U.S.C. 7311, which explicitly makes it a federal criminal offense for anyone employed in the United States Government to “advocate the overthrow of our constitutional form of government.”,
18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: removal from office, imprisonment, and a fine.
Executive Order 10450 specifies a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 for any person taking the oath of office to advocate “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. 7311.
According to Executive Order 10450 (and therefore 5 U.S. 7311) any act taken by government officials who have taken the oath of office prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 3331 which alters the form of government other than by amendment, is a criminal violation of the 5 U.S.C. 7311. Such alteration without amendment is criminal violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311 and 18 U.S.C. 1918.
In 1939 the supreme court violated Executive Order 10450 specifiing a violation of 5 U.S.C. 7311
http://www.foa5c.org/file.php/1/Articles/Coleman.htm
Acts relating to campaign finance are also unconstitutional and comprise “the alteration…of the form of the government of the United States by unconstitutional means"
Witnesses can be from any state and any who are from the same state as the presenter should sign in petition form even if they are not in the congressional district of the congress person. On the state level it gains a little more weight