Forum Post: Biggest Protest in History of Egypt.... Solidarity with Activists Around the Globe
Posted 11 years ago on June 30, 2013, 6:27 p.m. EST by TikiJ
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http://rt.com/news/egypt-milllions-protest-morsi-458/
Oh man do I wish I was there! Imagine the energy!
Administrative Assistant to BBC: "Crowds in Egypt now are the largest crowds in the history of mankind. "
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Spectacular picture!
It is - very positive. IMO. Sunshine green grass.
What we are working to save. Well - sorry - not to assume - what "I" am working to preserve as well as many others - I hope - "no I know" - but wouldn't presume to tell anyone what they are doing - let me take that back - I do whole heartedly tell shills to fuck off - but that's just part of who I am.
I like the new picture at the top of the page, but the spectacular picture is the one linked by BradB.
NO - That picture is - "awesome".
I agree. I was emotionally moved by it.
Stunning - absolutely - STUNNING - Brazil looking to shame us all as well.
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Does anyone here have any REAL SPECIFIC info on what they want ?
They dont want to be subjected to a totalitarian theocracy.
Specifically the Muslim Brotherhood's theocracy.
the muslim brotherhood that the arab spring was about, the muslim brotherhood that obama backed.
Obama backed a democratically elected leader
Have you figured out how to blame Obama for making the sky blue ?
And, of course you blame Obama because he refused to close Gitmo ?
Are you daryl issa ?
Did he? How's that worked out in Iraq? Libya? Afghanistan? Syria?
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rigged election ? or just slotted ?
Depends on what your idea of rigged is.
Manipulating votes via electronic counting could be considered rigged.
Not allowing others to debate could be considered rigged.
Basing elections off of money and hence drowning out the honest people could be considered rigged.
Controlling the media that posts the polls could be considered rigged.
And finally, the populace sitting around for years and waiting for decent candidates to magically appear could be considered rigged.
with all those the people protesting in the streets,
the government doesn't have the support of the people
Seems people Protest around the world against government or Rulers that always sell out the people for things like:
A) Keeping the Military, Intelleggence, and Security Apparatus going, keeping up budgets for these military institutions, and for keeping people with careers in military institutions in good jobs, in a kind of power structure, and to promote conservative or right wing agendas ... like the Cold War, the Fight Against Communism, the War on Drugs, the War on Terrorism, the promotion of fear against liberalism....
B) Control over the people, control over Wages & Benefits, control over economics and Resources, and control of Religion & politics.
C) Control over Crony Insider Deals within a Capitalist System or Totalitarian System.
D) Relationships with the USA, Funding from the USA, Weapons & Training from the USA, Resources from the USA, and Access to other important Power Players through US Representatives.
But I think this 200 years of Revolution is still going after the same basic things:
A) Economic Freedom, Affordable Food.
B) Education & Health Care.
C) Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, Freedom of Religion, Liberty, Democratic Governments free from monarchies and Oligarchies, Freedom from Corrupt Institutions & Universities, Privacy....
D) Individual, Civil, and Human Rights, Justice, Freedom from Torture, False Wars, Secret Police, Secret Prisons, Extraordinary Rendition, the rights to speedy trial and Due Process, the Right to an Attorney, Freedom from police brutality or excessive police charges for taking pictures of public officials and public places or just for protesting or gathering... freedom from being tazzered for a traffic stop or ... tear gassed for protesting peacefully.
E) Freedom from a Stasi Style Police State with constant surveilence, huge institutions that store & share all data that can be recorded and kept about it's citizens ... Clearly creating a risk, a grave risk of Public Officials and Judges for being "Blackmailed" by anyone of a million people which have access to the data.
F) Freedom from Corporations with power or Oligarchs from using information gathered by government organizations to "Compete" with smaller businesses or foreign competitors.
G) Freedom from Connected Corporations or Oligarchs from sending people to Jail, to work in prisons, to fill contractor prison quotes for total inmates ... or just misusing the power of information for personal gain or entertainment.
H) Freedom from a Society that lock people up for Laws simply because the laws exist ... without questioning if the laws are Just or constitutional... i.e. marijuana cigarettes, adultery, sodomy, witchcraft, Wicca, Islam, Christianity.
J) Freedom to live in a society that recognizes that money must flow in the economy to provide opportunity for common people to grow. If there is little money flowing to the common people then the government must act to divert or create money that will go to the adults that live in the society.
K) Freedom from banks that won't spend money in the economy in bad times, Freedom from Corporations that can never be patriotic or take care of communities, Freedom from Economic Hoarders who take money out of the National System while disallowing tax increases on the highest tax brackets or those entities that disassemble economic businesses and cause higher expenses to be paid by social safety net funds and by society.
L) Freedom from Governments or Rulers who refuse to even measure the economic trends, financial loses, disease, the cost of health care, the cost of education, and the cost federal defense, intelligence, and security apparatuses and foreign wars.
THE M USLIM BROTHERHOOD IN EGYPT Soon after the February 2011 fall of Hosni Mubarak, the Muslim Brotherhood opened its first public headquarters in a luxury villa in Cairo, with its symbol, two golden swords under the Quran with the slogan "Prepare," displayed on giant sign on the front. It was a landmark moment: After decades as a banned organization, the Muslim fundamentalist group was declaring it was now legal, public and a powerhouse in the new Egypt. Symbolically, the headquarters was located on a plateau where many of the group's early, executed leaders were buried decades ago.
Elections made it the strongest party in parliament and elevated one of its own, Mohammed Morsi, as the country's first democratically chosen president. On Monday, that headquarters was overrun, burned and ransacked by protesters who demanded Morsi's ouster.
STRUCTURE
The Brotherhood was founded in 1928, advocating rule by Shariah, or Islamic law, and grew into Egypt's most organized, disciplined and widespread political group, with millions of members nationwide and branches across the Islamic world.
At the top is the "general guide," currently Mohammed Badie. The group's executive leadership body is the Guidance Council, made up of 16-19 members. The general guide and the guidance council are chosen by the Shoura Council, the group's version of a legislature made up of 75-90 members chosen by regional councils nationwide.
The man believed to be the most powerful member is Badie's deputy, Khairat el-Shater, a wealthy businessman who was initially the Brotherhood's candidate for president until he was disqualified because of a previous prison term. Morsi ran in his place.
The Brotherhood's members swear an oath to "listen and obey" the group's leadership and are organized into a tight hierarchy. [ does this sound like catholics ]
At the base is the "usra" or "family," basically a study group small enough that its members can meet regularly, build personal bonds, and discuss the group's teachings on Islam. Each of the thousands of "families" nationwide reports up a pyramid of authority and gets instructions from above.
Families in the blood-relative sense of the word also play a major role. Brotherhood members tend to marry within the organization, socialize together in its network of mosques, clubs and schools, and raise their children in the group. Its members include a wide range of professionals — doctors, engineers, teachers and, importantly, very successful businessmen whose profits along with required dues help fund the group.
That structure helped the group survive and even spread during its years of arrests and crackdowns, particularly under Mubarak. It also made it a powerful force in elections, able to bring out many highly organized volunteers to campaign for Brotherhood candidates.
"THE BANNED ORGANIZATION"
In its early decades, the Brotherhood was involved in assassinations of Egypt's British colonial rulers and Egyptian officials. In 1954, President Gamal Abdel-Nasser banned the Brotherhood after blaming it for a failed assassination attempt against him.
In the next nearly 60 years, however, it grew, sometimes underground, sometimes semi-overt. It would test the limits of what the regimes would allow or would strike tacit deals with authorities, sometimes facing heavy crackdowns if it went too far. Abdel-Nasser's successor, Anwar Sadat, initially gave it some room to maneuver, and the group formally renounced the use of violence in 1973. The Brotherhood and other Islamist movements established strong networks in the universities, although Sadat arrested many when student activists began to denounce his rule. They were later freed by Mubarak, who took power after Sadat's 1981 assassination.
In the 2000s, the group pushed back into politics, running candidates as independents in parliamentary elections. Moderates in the group argued that the Brotherhood accepted the principles of democracy, and that the only way Egypt could be truly democratic was if the group was legal and allowed to compete freely. Its biggest victory came in 2005, when its candidates won a fifth of parliament's seats, despite clashes when Mubarak's security forces tried to block opposition voters.
When mainly leftist and secular youth called for massive protests against Mubarak on Jan. 25, 2011, the Brotherhood's leadership declined to join. However, young members did, and after a few days the leadership backed the protests. Still, even during the height of the 18-day uprising, Brotherhood officials met with Mubarak's intelligence chief, raising accusations they were willing to strike a deal if the ban on the group was lifted.
Soon after Mubarak fell on Feb. 11, 2011, the military rulers who took power lifted the ban. It quickly formed its first political party, the Freedom and Justice Party, initially led by Morsi.
IDEOLOGY
The organization calls for rule by God's law in Egypt, although it is often vague. Two figures hold a powerful sway over the Brotherhood's thought: Hassan al-Banna and Sayed Outb.
Al-Banna, a former teacher, founded the Brotherhood to resist both Britain's colonial rule and secularism in Egyptian society. Deeply conservative, he was a strong organizer and emphasized the idea that preaching and activism will spread the word of Islam. He was assassinated in 1949.
Qutb, a secular writer-turned-Islamist, rose in the Brotherhood in the 1950s and 1960s. He advocated a hard-line view that Islam must transform society and that a society that did not follow its precepts was in the "Jahiliya," or pre-Islamic pagan age. His ideology had a strong influence on modern-day jihadist groups. He was executed by Abdel-Nasser's regime in 1966.
The Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party's platform calls for Egypt to be a "civil, democratic state with an Islamic basis," saying it accepts the precepts of liberal democracy, such as free elections, the transfer of power and the will of elected bodies in establishing law. But the group, along with other Islamists, put clauses into the post-Mubarak constitution strengthening requirements that laws passed by parliament must not contradict Shariah.
At the same time, many in the top leadership are seen as religious hard-liners, and the ultraconservative Salafi ideology has made strong inroads into the group.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/01/bare-breast-mosque-feminist-protest-video-nfsw/
Separation of church and state matters. no matter what the religion, no matter where the State.
"Oh man do I wish I was there! Imagine the energy!" TJ, can only guess you are a man since they are still raping women in the square... Egyptian women face sexual harassment and assaults on a daily basis. During and after the revolution, there have been a number of case of foreign reporters who were sexually assaulted, such as Sonia Dridi and Lara Logan.
Sexual harassment is not new within the conservative Egyptian society, yet the extent of this phenomenon has grown and become more violent and visible. The Egyptian law defines assault as a crime, but not sexual assault.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4399041,00.html
I am very sorry to hear that. Its obviously not what I was referring to.