Forum Post: Better Smarten Up People!
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 16, 2011, 3:50 a.m. EST by BobS
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from Douglas, GA
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I have made several posts in these forums supporting OWS and other occupy movements across the country however after watching some of the "Live Feeds" last night I realized that your whole movement is sinking fast and you are losing respect from the people who have been supporting you.
First, I commend this guy Tim Pool who spent almost 20 hours live streaming activities in New York. however some of people who were interviewed were a bunch of stoners who can't even speak the English language correctly. Young kids with no purpose or message other than "This is cool man" as they watched a protester with an alias of "Starchild" getting arrested.
Young Americans hiding behind aliases like "White Hat", "Masked Man"... OH PLEASE! Seriously people?
Then I watched a 'GA" (General Assembly) meeting where there was a "Mic Check" and heard some idiot tell 4000 people to break into groups of 10 and discuss ideas for the movement and "report back to him in 15 minutes".
Do the math, that would result in 400 separate groups coming up with 400 different ideas.THIS IS A PROBLEM people. You have no agenda, no ONE VOICE, NO MESSAGE! Everything you are doing is ad hoc,. This is why you are losing support.
Then I switched over and watched what was going on in Seattle since there were rumors of riots and "police brutality". The Livestream from there were a bunch of youngsters in their late teens, early twenties, chanting vulgarities and ridiculous, two line, rhymes that made no sense what so ever.
They then marched up the road to the local police station, banged on the windows chanting "hell no, we won't go" along with a few other chants that included the "F" word, Just enticing the local authorities to use force because you won't obey the laws and local rules.
OWS has become more and more of a thorn in the asses of your local government. Your rights to free speech is not being questioned, your purpose is. Have you really looked at the fact that not ONE celebrity or politician has taken your side and become a strong advocate and your voice?
Yes, some celebrities have been on talk shows saying "I agree with the movement" or "I support them" but not ONE has stepped up and taken this whole movement under their wing to really support you.
For this movement to have a purpose you need a POLITICAL agenda and a platform to stand behind. This wishy washy, what will we do today, crap needs to stop. These ad hoc GA meetings are worthless. These "Mic Check", repeat after me, speeches are so idiotic and immature its' comical.
Eventually, these demonstrations will turn more violent, more people are going to get hurt, thousands more will be arrested. Also remember, when you get arrested, it's on your record. So all you college students who are standing up for a "cause" of which there is no agenda are putting a black mark on your name so when you finally graduate from college and try to find a job, this will pop up on any background check your potential employer will do on you.
Seriously, if the Occupy Movement is to make any impact what so ever, you need to appoint someone who understands business and politics. Someone who can speak the language without sounding like he/she has been toking on a spliff for a few hours.
You are better off coordinating weekend rallies and demonstrations spreading the word on your agenda then waving your signs and beating on drums. This is not Woodstock people. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
If you want a change in Washington and how the government operates, then make that your agenda and stick with it. If you want to bring down large corporations then boycott them. If you want congress to listen to you, then make your voices heard WITH AN AGENDA.
Don't hide behind bogus immature aliases, Use your real names and speak up. You would get more respect from your supporters. Plan your campaigns accordingly, get the word out and hold a peaceful demonstration, then move on to the next one. People will listen to you more openly and support you this way then the way you are doing it now.
Take it from a 60 year old guy who lived through all the protests of the 60's. We learned from our mistakes and how to properly demonstrate to get our point across.
Remember ONE VOICE, ONE MESSAGE is a lot more powerful.
Form a committee with a small group of people who can coordinate the movement and message across the country. Designate ONE person to be your voice, appoint a few people to get the word out on where the rallies are going to be held. Run your movement like a political campaign and you will gain more traction and support.
Continue doing it the way it's being done now and eventually you will turn this whole thing into one major fiasco that people are going to get sick of dealing with and you will be out of business and everything you had going for you will go down the drain.
I support this comment 100%. People need to start THINKING about how power can be restored to the people. Ive thought it out.
Ending the corporate personhood, getting money out of politics, and passing the STOCK act(so congress people cant do insider trading) should be the first issues this movement unifies on. These will win the favor of the American public.
People need to realize, we must set aside our own personal grievances in order to rid OUR government of that fourth branch of government known as the special interest. Until that time corporations and the wealthy can just lobby and donate politicians to get their way, no matter how detrimental to the public. Read the New Common Sense for more insight: http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/12409353866/for-the-99-the-new-common-sense-must-distribute
In Solidarity!
Little does the OWS know but IF they conducted their protest correctly with good solid platforms to stand on and with an agenda, they would probably raise their own money to strengthen the cause. But I would be hard pressed to donate any money into this movement which is now just taxing the budgets of cities that are already struggling with budget cuts as it is.
Bloomberg is probably on his knees everyday praying for a major snowstorm. It would probably cost the city less in snow removal then what it is costing them for the extra police presence and over-time they are paying to the cops.
Im from Occupy New Haven and luckily we havent been any nuisance to the cops, city, or public. Although I've noticed there is a lot of anti-intellectualism in the camp. I dont know about OWS but, people, at least at ONH, seem a little hesitant to talk about the future goals of the movement. I think people feel like they would be imposing on others views. But in my opinion intense debate should be raging on. I just dont see any other way to get our grievances addressed but to figure out what we all want and how we are going to get it. Honestly Bob, I highly suggest you read The New Common Sense in the link above. It gave me hope that there was a rational, non-partisan, non-radical, message coming out of this movement.
Hey it's not like they have a job to go to! What else are they doing with their time?
Hmmm, maybe that's why they are hanging out at the park
Wait ‘til next summer and the next wave of educated unemployed join them
The best way to stop this movement is for the American based multinational corporations to start investing in America
EXACTLY! A great platform for this movement would be to boycott those companies sitting on huge profits and not creating job growth.
Like I mentioned in a previous post and response, even if a company has no internal openings, they should take some of those profits and re-invest it into their local communities and create jobs that way.
I'm with you on this one!
Bob, that is an idea!
I really do think if people had decent jobs to go to. This thing would die quickly. Not that I think that would be a good thing.
We have corruption issues that need to be dealt with. Our congressmen can legally do insider trading.
What kind of favors would they trade for that information?
I have always said that elected officials should be banned from trading. Too much inside information and information that the public is not privy to.
This is not only illegal, but breeds corruption. But let's not kid ourselves, this is nothing new. It's been done for decades.
Bob, are you aware that it has just came to light, That it is legal for politicians to do insider trading?
Yes, but it took them THIS long to figure it all out??? People are asleep at the switch in Washington or better yet, kept it a secret all this time.
They kept it a secret!
60 minutes did a piece on it recently.
It's disgusting. It's as crooked as it gets (legally) and they are all doing it. They created the law for their own greed. There is no logical explanation other than greed.
That’s how many of our government officials are bought and paid for
Perfectly legal and no paper trail and oh yeah, the capital gains tax shelter
What I find most interesting, there are people actually disliking this post and all the comments to lower it's content score. Totally amazing.
Like my dad used to say, "What's the Use of Talking?"
I am a strong supporter of the movement and I am 100% in agreement with your post. Bravo!
I have been watching this so called movement like a train wreck. I just can't take my eyes away ever since I heard these people purporting to represent the 99%, as if they represent me. I keep trying to understand what it is they want, what is their purpose and I only keep coming away thinking these are children playing at radicalism, all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Then of course most of them have their mum and pop to run back to and have their iphone bills paid up and credit cards reloaded so they can party on. Look, I am not saying that is what everyone there is about, just that is what it looks like to the majority of people.
BobS you expressed it exactly how it is. They have no credibility and most of what they say is nonsense. I see the occasional pseudo intellectual espousing some collectivist utopian pap that they heard in a lecture hall and obviously haven't fully digested the realities of human interactions. How is this a movement when they are not moving in any direction toward any goal?
Most importantly, while most Americans are disgusted with corruption and crony capitalism and want to see radical change in the tax code, an end to bailouts and corporate welfare, they are not anti-capitalist nor do they consider themselves victims of the 1%. America was built on individualism and the individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I find it ironic that these occupiers still hold individualism so dear that they refuse to unite under any form of leadership, while claiming to speak for 99% of the people. So we are all supposed to Kumbaya together, take the money away from the despised 1% and divide it up and live happily every after with free everything for life?
I am not being facetious here. I am just seriously trying to understand what these people want and expect to happen. They reject leaders and organization, yet they want the government to do their bidding and regulate and redistribute in some equitable way. Who are these great deciders that will determine the outcomes? For example, newmovement wants to hold people accountable by protesting in neighborhoods and finding out who did this. Well hello, that is going to do a lot of good isn't it, to know who got rich and how. Now WTF are you proposing to do with this knowledge other than tramp around and express your discontent? We have a system for dealing with these problems. It is called Representative Democracy. The idea behind it is to organize enough people who share your views and elect somebody who will represent you in governing. Did you vote in the last election? Well go hold your representatives feet to the fire and demand that they do a better job representing you or you will see to it that they are out of a job come next election. Then find someone who WILL represent you and work your ass off to get them elected.
It's amazing how many threads are popping up about this and the no agenda, no message approach and the people on the streets just ignore this advice and want to do it their way.
My original post almost 30 days ago was a strong message to do what everyone is suggesting they do now that they still ignore.
Like I said, know-it-alls that know nothing. But I do wish them luck however they will fail unless this whole movement takes a major 180 degree direction change.
You make too much sense. Like John F. Kennedy said, "Reason does not always appeal to unreasonable men."
:) I was brought up with the "if it makes sense, it makes cents" attitude. Maybe this is why I was able to retire at the age of 50. I built two large companies and took one public. I hired over 18K workers over a period of 8 years. So what do I know?? nothing I guess.. I'm just full of hot air.
Yeah, some puppet master behind the curtain at #OWS thinks it's clever and effective to simply say "We are our demands", which is a meaningless slogan that appeals only to the senseless masses.
but in your application of logic, you lost your compassion. in the exercise of compassion, the poor lost their wealth. in the remuneration of both, the middle expands.
So what are you going to do about it Jesse?? Tell me?? Come up with a solution or idea that would correct it. OWS has not come up with anything concrete. This is my point.
You want to make an impact? Then find a cause with an affect. If you don't like Bank of America for example then make your agenda to boycott Bank of America. Everyone who has an account there, close them down and move you money elsewhere.
Without ANY help of the OWS movement, look what BofA had to do when they announced charges on ATM and Debit card usage. Their customers got pissed off, they were closing their accounts and the bank was losing customers left and right. What was the affect. The bank killed the whole program and reverted back to not charging.
Look at what happened to Netflix. A striving company doing very well. The CEO make a major blunder. They announce they are going to cut service and limit availability to what their package was originally was offered at. Hence people got pissed off and immediacy started canceling their subscriptions and NetFlix stock crashed and burned in a matter of 4 days.
Cause and affect. Find a cause that will effect and you have something to work with.
A theme that resonates throughout the many sites Is that the last thirty years have been obfuscated and are causing fights, And even worst more some are loosing their rights. Instead of the USA embracing the melting pot We have become a bubbling caldron massive with wrought.
Information has become obscured and useless. We have lost our voice and are becoming ruthless. Time has been spent pandering and conspiring. This has lead to less inventing and more perspiring. Families groggily metastasizing into consumer units Go their own way, chasing American affluence. The mantic pace at which we have been exceeding Seems trivial in comparison to the lives we have been leading, And the broken lives we have been seeing. When two family members have to work three jobs each, Time for play is far and seems always out of reach. Time for exploring for truths seems at times To be wasted time spent and nothing else rhymes. When time that should be used for making amends Is spent driving through and fro through highway bends, Some must have to ask themselves where this all ends. A barbarized fear of ever going back to the lot they were born, Consumes those lucky few affluent citizens who scorn. Competition has blinded our eyes To those who have chosen to sit and will never rise. As the economy screeches to a whimper, Political brinkmanship is still found much simpler. The political parties act like divorcing mother and father And the children are turning on one or the other; That is if they have not already ran much farther. The once prized ascension up the economic ladder Has the smartest and brightest saying it don’t matter.
Bob, the problem here is OWS is dealing with a lot of teenagers and young that have been raised with video games and ?. Their language is crude and their actions primitive and most (not all) have no knowledge of what is going on or how to behave and they think they know it all which is common for people in this age group. I was so excited to see this protest start, but I am afraid the 99% have already been alienated and will never support OWS. Game is over and I sure hope violence is not in the future. From a 64 year old trying to be a supporter who is very disappointed.
You mention the protests of the 60's, This has only existed for 2 months. It took longer to find O.J. innocent. My Name Is FRANCIS LENETTI and I am a 41yo male who works construction. It takes me a month to earn what i used to make in a week, and my quality of product hasn't changed. I am here to get corporate influence out of politics, and I am a registered REPUBLICAN. My message is clear.
I agree with BobS & Amanita76 getting our shit together is paramount or we will just fade away or worse, we will make our country worse. "The New Common Sense " makes sense and it is a good start. If GA's won't at least endorse it, oh well, I'll still be spreading it around and promoting the shit out of it. I am an Occupy protestor and I support THE NEW COMMON SENSE http://pastebin.com/gm2UV08D
It think OWS is like chum tossed into the water - an advertising campaign to try to get people to be optimistic and active about stopping the institutionalized corruption and concentration of wealth in this country. These people will, one hopes, gradually be gobbled up by bigger and bigger "fish", the organizations, existing and as yet unenvisioned, that have the organization and philosophical basis to make effective change. From what I've seen I don't think OWS will ever have one message, nor will it ever truly be a movement per se: it will be a mother of movements, a place where many messages emerge, and long after it is gone its progeny will do what it could not.
This is whats wrong with America and needs to be fixed! Please read every bit of it then you will realize what is turly happening...
Brain Washing America
http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm http://www.hermes-press.com/cabal_index.htm http://www.hermes-press.com/class_warfare.htm http://pupaganda.com/originals/Unplug_the_signal.html http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/09/05_stepford.html
I, as a supporter (or trying to be), support this comment 100%. I am afraid though that the damage has already been done from the 99% point of view. They are irritated and laughing at OWS. First impressions usually stick!
Stephen Colbert tried to help, but you guys are assholes.
"People need to start THINKING about how power..."
OWS is messy, perhaps almost as messy as human beings. I remain inclined to support it, cheer it, and do what I can to participate in the movement of this movement.
you give OWS too much credit. all they really want is to protest. be in a crowd of people, yell, scream, pretend to know something.
It's basically the bottom 1% of America gathered together to show the world just how stupid they are.
It is imperative everyone understand that they have a role on the stage of our biological, spiritual and social evolution. The stage is set, the drama is now in play, the villains, kings (corporations) their court (media) and guards (police-military) are as important to the play as the serfs (amerikan shepeople) and tradesman (laborers) and merchants (mom-pop business owners) who want change. We all feel it. We all know it's coming. We all realize we have been "downsized, outsourced, taxed" to no return and now being physically beaten to a point where civil blood-letting and possible death are becoming reality and are the next part of the narrative. We must ask ourselves, were the forefathers of this country, those who stood on the same stage, fought the same villains and conquered to form this nascent home (The United Staes of America) of "free" people who proclaimed freedom and liberty worth dying...were their ideas wrong?...did they get it right? Did the question our dear leader Kennedy asked his fellow American's, " ask not what this country can do for you but what you can do for this country" ....did he make sense?...did he get it right? Do we honor our brave men and women (military) who die for our country in times of imminent peril...do we care when they are killed and limbs are destroyed?...when they die for the corporate minders....does it make us right? It is my humble opinion that we did get it right, average Americans are good and decent people, and we must turn on, burn down and blow up the old system, shut off the phones, computers and TVs, stop drinking and eating corporate, feed the tree of liberty with the blood or tyranny and make haste whilst the sun still shines. Stop looking outside for the change and make it from the inside; tell your owners, leaders and money lenders that time for change is now, hope is action and civility is a fist held high in the air. POWER TO THE PEOPLE Dr Michael James Hall, MD, MSc, DABFP, USAFR Author "The American Gentleman, A Contemporary Guide to Chivalry" Fort Miami Beach
I COMPLETELY agree with you...in some of the occupys they have days where they have events where people dress up and dance and cook, this is a PROTEST not a place where you just want to go to have a good time...wee need to change this movement and I said this before but no one listens: We need to take the movement in a different direction or it will die down. I have a suggestion:
We need to start protesting at the people who actually affected or had a hand in the financial crisis. We need to get ACCOUNTABILITY from the people who became MILLIONAIRES and BILLIONAIRES out of this crisis who stole and lied to people (example: CEOS from 2008 of companies like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Bear Stearns, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase, etc) and most importantly the people who worked in government during that time that made sure the banks and wallstreet stayed unregulated who are STILL working in those same positions today making sure NOTHING CHANGES.
We need to protest at these people’s neighborhoods, they are the ones who became rich out of all this and who caused this. We need to find out all the other people who did this because in the end they were the ones who got rich while everyone else lost everything.
I totally agree with you!
It's a tough job with this crowd. I used to support this when I thought it meant something. Now I see that it's just insanity run rampant.
When you are dealing with a bunch of immature, know-it-alls, this is what you get. Unless they smarten up, they will lose.
They've already lost Bob! The socialism is out of the bag and on display for all to see. There's a good reason these types usually hide their true intentions, OWS seems to just be the stupid, honest ones.
That's a typical problem for the radical left... They have no patience and tend to be loud since they believe that all they need to do is "educate" people and they'll come over to their side.
Yes, where are the grown ups?????
Soros organized and funded from the start , unions are a big part of it. And then there are the useful idiots , the cannon fodder that the organizers have counted on.
Occupy Wall Street is evolving and people are looking for which protein..AT or CG to attach to; although, there seems to be some mutagens in the reservoir they can easily be identified with there insane rhetoric. We are all waiting for contenders for the next election to represent Fairnes
One voice can be corrupted. One Message can be co-opted. If you want to know what we stand for, then Read the declaration of the occupation, or the principles of solidarity. Two of the first working documents released.
Boy o boy... why do us sensible people even waste our times talking to or advising you morons who think you know it all. Sorry buphiloman, you will fail thinking the way you do.
"Sensible people" respond to others with reasoned argument, not insults BobS. I don't think I "know it all". I do think the movement has a clear message, as delineated in the Declaration of the Occupation and the Principles of Solidarity which were made public from the outset. And I do think the movement has hundreds of terrific "leaders". But we are not going to make the mistake of resting power in the hands of one or a few, as that is how we got into the mess we are in now in the first place.
You are in essence asking the movement to designate a new 1%. We won't do it. Ever.
I wish you luck buddy. I really do, but when I have to side against you because you can literally cause my taxes to go up to offset the amount of money it's costing to police your rallies and demonstrations, I hate to say it. YOU LOSE!
I will NOT support you without an agenda and most importantly without being represented with ONE VOICE because all you are doing is creating a millage of crap that no one can understand.
Plus you are missing the boat. When I say "ONE VOICE" I am not saying ONE person needs to do all the speaking. One voice is the message of ALL involved and using several QUALIFIED people to get that SAME message out and don't waver off it. You don't need "Hundreds" of leaders, you need ONE leader and several qualified mouthpieces.
You have so much to learn..
Have you read the Declaration of the Occupation and Principles of Solidarity? That is our message, for all to see.
And who pray tell, should decide who is or is not "qualified" to get the message out?
We think every human being is qualified.We don't want power in the hands of the few. The movement is a movement against the consolidation of power (be it economic, social, or political) in the hands of the few.
I surmise that what you perhaps really want, is an Occupy movement that can be neatly folded into the Tea Party, and become just another tool of the plutocracy.
Never said that, you twisted it my friend. Never said to tailor your movement to the Tea Party model did I?
An not once did I even hint at trying to develop another political party. But the way OWS is handling this is so disorganized mis-directed that eventually your message (what-ever it is) is going to fall on deaf ears.
I personally am losing interest in the movement and I was a staunch supporter in the beginning. Reason is simple. Just to stand an occupy some piece of real estate and pound drums, entice the cops with sticking your finger in their faces because it's freedom of speech.... Breaking off into 400 groups to come back with an idea on what to do next, like I witnessed last night on Livestream.. Littering the streets and having stoner college kids who have probably never worked a day in their lives speak on behalf of me and good majority of your fellow Americans??? when there is no clear cut reason on what the OWS is trying to accomplish. Sorry don't buy your rationale.
1) You didn't answer my question. Have you ever even read the Declaration of the Occupation or The Principles of Solidarity? 2) I watched "The Other 99" Ustream most of the day yesterday, and I saw something truly beautiful. That hectic GA you keep whining about, was a thing of very real beauty. You should have closed your eyes for a moment and listened to each phrase being cried out alone and then being met and echoed by 4,000 voices. Truly astonishing.
Yes I have and I already said I originally supported the movement. but you still have not told me EXACTLY what your agenda is!
Let me ask you this. How old are you? What is your greatest accomplishment? Before I debate you any further, unless you have accomplished what I have accomplished, I won;t waste my time debating or trying to help you.
I didn't need to close my eyes and take some acid trip to appreciate what was being chanted. In fact, maybe taking an acid trip might have given me a better perspective because what was being chanted last night made no sense and had no purpose.
I feel sorry for you BobS. I hope maybe someday you can learn to live in a pluralistic society where other people are equal to you in power (economic, social, and political) and yet don't think EXACTLY the way you do.
You feel sorry for me? Why, because I caused the problem? Or maybe I have been a successful businessman who stated out in a measly job after getting my MBA and working my way up the ladder to building two companies which, combined sold for over 400 million? Or maybe because your euphoria of listening to chants that went like this: "On Thursday, on thursday, We Are, we are, Going to, going to, Occupy, occupy, The Stock Market, the stock market" YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! Or was it this one? "Last Night, last night, The Cops, the cops, Took Our Drums, took our drums, And We Are In Need, and we are in need, Of New Drums, of new drums. If you Can Help, if you can help, Meet Me Under The Tripod, meet me under the tripod!"
I haven't decided which one I hate more, but you closed your eyes and seemed to enjoy it.
Did you ever think that these reiterated chants are also a violation of freedom of speech? You are asking people to say HEY when you say Hey and HO when you say HO. I would rather participate in a chant that asks me "JUMP" and I respond with "HOW HIGH"
You don;t have to think like me buphiloman, you just need more common sense.
I feel sorry for you because you are demonstrably full of hate for anyone who unlike you who wants a just, equitable, compassionate world to live in.
Oh really? That's how you perceive me or my opinions? Why not go to the Mayo Clinic and find out how much the Greenbelt Society, which I chair, donates per year to help people who can't afford cancer treatments. Probably more then you will make in a lifetime.
No further debates with you because you are living in a fantasy world. You are trying to accomplish something that HAS NEVER BEEN or WILL EVER BE accomplished.
NOTHING is going to be handed to you on a silver platter my friend. Do you feel you are justified to make the same amount of money I do if you have no experience? Do you think the government is going to come to your rescue and bail you out of your debt? Does the movement think that someday Washington is going to wake up and say to themselves, "let's help this movement out because we feel sorry for them?" Think again. It's not going to happen.
The ONLY way you make a change is to have an agenda that not one, not 100, not 1000 people buy into. Unless you have hundreds of thousands beating the same drum, your efforts will fall on deaf ears. End of Story!
I wish you luck, just take off your rose colored glasses and smell the coffee. When you do, you will become a productive person. Hiding behind an alias and talking shit will get you nowhere fast.
If you aren't full of hate, and if you really want a just, equitable, world, where no one has to suffer the indiginity of homelessness, nor the choice between either feeding their family and keeping a roof over their head or getting medical attention for their child. Then welcome to the fold.
But you seem more interested in touting your own "accomplishments" and hoarding the goods to yourself (albeit doling out a pittance here and their to please your own ego and overinflated sense of self worth).
And for the record, I would never allow myself to be a millionaire. I am a college professor, and I have a decent life, and I don't want more. But I do want others to join me in living a life worth living in a world worth living in.
I tout because I made a change in literally thousands of people's lives. I accomplished something in my life and proud of it and very well respected amongst my peer group.
You NEVER answered my question on what YOU have accomplished.
My self worth was earned, not handed to me. I worked my ass off to make a change and I reaped the rewards but I never stopped giving.
this is my last response to you. I have better more productive things to do with MY time.
Lol. Yes, giving people minimum wage jobs w/o benefits where they become functionaries mindlessly filling your bloated coffers. That's quite the change in their lives.
Unless of course your business exploits were ethical, giving 100% of the people in your employ safe and harassment free working conditions, a middle-class salary, with full healthcare, and educational subsidies for their children, as well as a few weeks of vacation, and paid sick leave every year. If you did that, and if only did business with other businesses that did that, then I would agree that you'd done something worth being proud of.
The Declaration of the Occupation is not what the 99% are seeing. They see kids with fuck this, fuck that and yelling, etc.. You guys need to get "professional" if you want to attract the 99%, but again I say it is to late. Go home. From a supporter of the Declaration but not what is going on.
Read the original post here ... Geesh
Well said!