Forum Post: Be Careful: government may have plants within the occupy protestor crowds that are provoking violence
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 28, 2011, 7:49 a.m. EST by MadMavenNYC
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Some believe that the government has plants within the occupy protestor crowds that are provoking violence. Be careful out there. Things are not as simple as they look on the surface. They will be trying to discredit the movement and create an environment where they can use greater force and restrictions to control you and scare others away from their right to peacefully protest.
I think it's probably not only the government, but also corporations who are paying people to get in the way in various ways.
While it may sound like a conspiracy theory, in fact, we know that agents are placed in groups that don't even have an activist goal. We also know all branches of law enforcement use fake personas online. Would they float calls for violence to see who bites? I don't see why not--they do the same thing to catch child pornographers and it works. Honestly, I don't have a problem with them pinpointing those who want violence because I think those people hurt the group and the effectivity of the protest. There is a chance these people have psychological problems, and trying to persuade them to peace won't work. I think, however, that as the protests grow there is a danger that big business would pony up for mercenaries to infiltrate to actually take the protest off the rails through violence. We know they can afford it, have no ethics, nor conscience and that they are willing to spend big bucks to protect their self interests. If someone acts out in any violence, move away from that individual immediately, and let the police handle the person.
Your theory that businesses may hire "mercenaries" to drum up violence falls on its face when you realize that the businesses don't care about these protests as it has no real affect on them. They know that DC has their back and will continue to churn out laws that protect them. Until this movement wises up and moves to DC, it will be doomed to utter failure.
Why do you think a protest should have an immediate effect? That only happens in the movies. In fact, protests need staying power and support in numbers to be effective. This protest has the support of over half the nation now, and a clear majority support the right of the protesters to protest. If you think business isn't paying attention to that, you are mistaken. You already have the proof that they hired off duty police in New York ...
I think your right. it seems they are looking for an excuse to declare marshall law. we got a taste of what harper likes, when we saw how he treated people during the g8
This should not come as a surprise, I also have no doubt that some of the trolls AND some of the apparent sympathizers online are plants too
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I wonder this myself. I have seen a "wide range" of views on what to do, what is the problem(s) at occupy SF. If there was a way to "remove" people from the movement without being hypocritical, (which I cannot see how it can be done) for espousing views that might be suspect, well half of occupy SF would have to be removed.
There are people I see, who I protested the war in Iraq with years ago, and they are with occupy SF, (i.e. not who I think would be "plants") but really the things they say are quite crazy.
What is the difference between a "plant" advocating actions that would be against what "I" think are the best interest of the occupy movement and a "protester" advocating the same actions?
The government plant will be far more capable of articulating a coherent (fake) world view.
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Naw, just being a smart ass :) Anarchism is as comprehensive a political theory as any of the other viable political worldviews, and I know plenty of smart people who are anarchists. It's just one of one's that is appealing to young folks, and working with youth, It seems a lot of them come to it before they have fully come into their own politically and can articulate it well. I wish I knew of a link that led a good anarchism 101 breakdown of it. It's not easy to convince 15 year olds to dive into anarchist theory, all the sources I have are a little dense.
The "government" today is primarily Democrats. They love this kind of demonstration so why would they try to undermine it? The fact is, lefty demonstrations often turn violent, then they try to blame everyone else for it. How many riots were there at the TEA Parties? That is why they were able to get results without camping on public property or getting violent.
rubbish! The government today is primarily a small group of powerful oligarchs who are controlling the politicians no matter which party is in power and they have just one goal which is to strip people of their freedom and liberties