Forum Post: Ban out sourcing , save america
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 12:01 p.m. EST by vats
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all IT work out scourced to india, all manufacturing out sourced to china, no wonder america is become third world country, stop out sourcing, bring back jobs back to amercia
imho, the answer is not to ban out sourcing, instead understand why businesses chose to outsource, and change things such that they don't make that choice.
We need a USA Santa Clause poster for the holidays. In the like of the "we want "U"sa campaign."
Holiday retail is a HUUUUUGE marker for retailers, producers, and the US economy.
I really doubt we can affect big electronics or nlkes, with any real noticeable effect soon. But the middle tear guys will listen. I think shoe company's would be an excellent area to pick a targetbrand. The likes of VANS/PUMA/CONVERSE. Retail sales and trends move very quickly. If we were to target one of these. Alterations in company policy and materials used would be noticeable by spring. The media will have to follow and listen as well. Which would create a huge springboard for all to be involved. We could stage run offs in parks, where we "break free from the chains" and drop off chosen brand. We then donate the shoes to another cause or country in need and proceed to boycott the brand. A brand with deep roots in the underground but has taken all its sales force in house and all its manufactoring out of country would have to adjust and offer a USA/N.A. friendly product line.
We own and control the whole fashion industry. They can not take that. We are the artist, the faces, the like buttons, the consumers. This is a huge part of the economy we can instantly affect. They depend on meeting forcast and holiday is the biggest one they have to meet.
Again it is a very fast moving industry. #OCCUPYMAGIC the biggest clothing convention in the US/World. The industry would adjust and ripple effects would be huge. We need a buy North American proclamation.
Purchase and demand only products Made IN USA
http://www.madeinusa.org/
http://made-in.us.com/
http://www.madeinusa.com/
This would not work. It sounds good and all but just not the answer. You should do more research.
Most of the jobs being outsource is unskilled labor. So by no means is India taking every IT job. The reason labor is outsource is due the high cost of American labor. I doubt you want to pay $150 more for a laptop built in the US instant of Taiwan.
I'm not a nationalist
If you ban me from hiring foreigners then you'll limit the growth of our business, because we can't find enough Americans with the necessary skills. If you limit the growth of our business then you'll limit the economy and you cut our possibility of creating more jobs for Americans in the future.
I'm curious - exactly what type of business do you run that you can't find enough Americans with the necessary skills?
Software development. The pile of available jobs is endless. The pool of available workers is extremely limited.
If you're having a difficult time finding American citizens with the right skills, it isn't because there's a shortage of U.S. citizen or permanent resident candidates.
Generally, when a firm is looking for new STEM talent, they look to the colleges, here's a list of the degrees conferred in areas that are rich in STEM curriculum for 2008 and 2009.
NCES U.S. Citizen and Permanent Resident STEM Related Degrees Conferred 2008 and 2009 Citizenship (standardized): U.S. Citizens and Permanent Residents
2-digit Classification of Instructional Program (CIP): 10 Communications Technologies/Technicians and Support Services
Doctorate Degrees: 6
Doctorate Degree-Research Scholarship: 0 Master's Degrees: 752 Bachelor's Degrees: 9,760
Associate's Degrees: 8,904
Total 2008 and 2009: 19,422
2-digit Classification of Instructional Program (CIP): 11 Computer and Information Sciences and Support Services
Doctorate Degrees: 974
Doctorate Degree-Research Scholarship: 423
Master's Degrees: 19,387
Bachelor's Degrees: 73,795
Associate's Degrees: 57,910
Total 2008 and 2009: 152,489
2-digit Classification of Instructional Program (CIP): 27 Mathematics and Statistics
Doctorate Degrees: 1,001
Doctorate Degree-Research Scholarship: 456
Master's Degrees: 6,349
Bachelor's Degrees: 29,343
Associate's Degrees: 1,698
Total 2008 and 2009: 38,847
Grand Total Doctorate Degrees: 1,981 Grand Total Doctorate Degree-Research Scholarship: 879 Grand Total Master's Degrees: 26,488 Grand Total Bachelor's Degrees: 112,898 Grand Total Associate's Degrees: 68,512 Grand Total NCES U.S. Citizen and Permanent Resident Computer/Mathematics Degrees Conferred 2008 and 2009: 210,758
Source: National Center for Education Statistics (NCES)
Now, from the Foreign Labor Certification Annual Report, US Dept. of Labor, the computer-related occupations with more than 1000 Permanent (Residence) Labor Certifications are shown below, with the Office of Employment Statistics employment levels and Loss Gain:
OCC_Code: 15-1031 OCCUPATION WITH MORE THAN 1,000 PERMANENT LABOR CERTIFICATIONS: Computer Software Engineers, Applications Number of Certifications: 9,854 OES Employment May 2010: 499,280 OES Employment May 2009: 495,500 Employment Loss Gain: 3,780
OCC_Code: 15-1051 OCCUPATION WITH MORE THAN 1,000 PERMANENT LABOR CERTIFICATIONS: Computer Systems Analysts Number of Certifications: 5,695 OES Employment May 2010: 495,800 OES Employment May 2009: 512,720 Employment Loss Gain: (16,920)
OCC_Code: 15-1032 OCCUPATION WITH MORE THAN 1,000 PERMANENT LABOR CERTIFICATIONS: Computer Software Engineers,Systems Software Number of Certifications: 4,038 OES Employment May 2010: 378,920 OES Employment May 2009: 385,200 Employment Loss Gain: (6,280)
OCC_Code: 15-1021 OCCUPATION WITH MORE THAN 1,000 PERMANENT LABOR CERTIFICATIONS: Computer Programmers Number of Certifications: 1,536 OES Employment May 2010: 333,620 OES Employment May 2009: 367880 Employment Loss Gain: (34,260)
Employment Loss Gain (53,680)
Finally, below is a list of the top 10 Prevailing Wage Determination for foreign workers in computer-related fields; additionally, employment level data for 2009 and 2010 and a Loss Gain
Wage: $41.30
Prevailing Wage Determinations Most Frequent Users: Computer Software Engineers, Applications
Num of PWD: 9,282
OES Employment May 2010: 499,280
OES Employment May 2009: 495,500
Employment Loss Gain: 3,780
Wage: $37.16
Prevailing Wage Determinations Most Frequent Users: Computer Systems Analysts
Num of PWD: 3,330
OES Employment May 2010: 495,800
OES Employment May 2009: 512,720
Employment Loss Gain: (16,920)
Wage: $44.36
Prevailing Wage Determinations Most Frequent Users: Computer Software Engineers, Systems Software
Num of PWD: 3,092
OES Employment May 2010: 378,920
OES Employment May 2009: 385,200
Employment Loss Gain: (6,280)
Wage: $32.52
Prevailing Wage Determinations Most Frequent Users: Computer Programmers
Num of PWD: 1,101
OES Employment May 2010: 333,620
OES Employment May 2009: 367,880
Employment Loss Gain: (34,260)
Grand Total Employment Loss Gain: (53,680)
Source: Foreign Labor Certification Annual Report, US Dept of Labor
In the aggregate we have lost about 53,680 jobs in these "shortage" occupations. Even within the "growth" occupations, in almost all cases, foreign labor applicants exceeded employment growth; this fact absolutely disproves the labor shortage thesis.
The above data is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment in the tech sector is going down, month after month.
The problem with the BLS projections is that THEY ARE ALWAYS WRONG - at least in IT. This is a claim very easily proven.
Look at each of the 10 year projections since the late 90s. Look at where we are today versus where they said we would be. The problem is that not only have they been wrong, they have been VERY wrong. They would claim massive growth, and we would see decline or stagnation.
If you put the data in Excel (the projections vs actuals) the chart would be alarming. I don't know how the BLS can be so wrong, so many times in a row. I believe their projections are based on anecdotal data - such as what industry says. Often what industry says they will do and what they actually do are very very different.
Go ahead - take a look for yourself.
No, YOU can go and check for yourself by trying to hire somebody to build you a web site. I know for certain that unemployment in the tech sector is very low. I hire technology people. It's not easy. If you want a job then learn to build a web site.
Software developers, obviously, have a different perspective. It has been more difficult to find work for many, and their wages are driven down by off-shoring.
"I know for certain that unemployment in the tech sector is very low."
No, it's not.
"If you want a job then learn to build a web site."
I have a job. Thanks anyway.
You can't be serious. Dice? A tech recruiter? Can you say, "agenda"? I'm sure you can. I'll believe the hard data I provided over corporate propaganda any day.
That came from NPR!
You're refusing to believe that there is a technology boom going on right now, and that employers are having difficulty recruiting?
Try googling "Ruby on Rails jobs". Just one small example.
If you re-read my previous post, it's not NPR I'm questioning. It's Dice and tech recruiters - those feeding NPR the propoganda.
After providing hard data in my earlier post, it is YOU who refuses to believe that this talk of shortage is bunk. Your "proof" - not to be harsh - is a bit lame.
Yes, it is because there is a shortage ofqualified Americans. And thanks for the post but you don't need to help computer graduates to find jobs. There are more jobs than graduates.
Not very bright, are you.
I'm an employed software developer who employs other software developers. Res ipsa loquitur.
If you want to help out college graduates in finding jobs, you don't need to help computer graduates. They're just fine without your help.
Listen Vicenzo you fucking wop, there's technology jobs available to Americans out there with the intelligence to take them. It is nobody's fault but your own that you could not qualify for them. I'm sick of people like you whining about their situation. At least Giuseppe Zangara was a real enough dago to take action about his situation, however misguided it is. Christ, I'm ashamed to be half-honky at this point in my life. You people are an embarrassment. Get some huevos already. Only a bunch of fucking trustifarians are doing what you do.
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