Forum Post: As Long As OWS Remains Pro-Israel & Zionist Jews Continue Tightening Their Influence On It - The More I And Others Pledge To Work To Discredit and Disrupt You
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 12:43 a.m. EST by USA1st
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Fine, two can play at this! It is the Anti-Semites running a Shadow Government. They supply bubble gum to stores and then charge Jews tens time for the bubble gum, what they charge Anti-Semites. I can't get a freaking pack of gum for under two bucks now, because of your Anti-Semitic bubble gun shadow Government!!!
What does the State of Israel have to do with your inability to deal with your irrational hatred of Jews?
Seems irrational to keep sending them 30% of every dollar we pay in taxes so they can run their occupation better known as the open air prison called Palestine. Screw Netanyahu. Let them fend for themselves, their occupation and elitism and our support of it is the reason we are so hated.
big dummy probably dosent even have the words to explain what the jews did to him....he just wants somebody to hate and blame for his own stupid self....heres a hint buddy.....it is absolutly imposibble to hate someone else.....without hating yourself....if you had ever done any work around this you would know its true
LOL. Does that include my ex best friend who took advantage of my ill ex husband and killed him off in less than 4 years. I don't think that statement is absolute,but I agree with your gist. Look, this person who posted is a PLANT. The Oligarchs want to discredit our movement by throwing in some people who are supposedly antisemites, Nazis, etc. Don't you watch fixed news programs? They are trying to claim this. For all we know all these people trying to incite hatred or violence are plants. Ignore this loser.
Wow it must have been really hard to find your way all the way from the hills to your cousin/brothers house( same difference) and i recon that you and your sister/wife were plumb tuckered out after making such a long journey with your bare feet and all. Its a good thing your grand papi had learnt you who to use such fancy words so you can talk on this here new fan-dangled device.
Anti-semite.
That's funny I thought we were anti-semites last week.
I don't understand. Why do certain groups despise Isreal/Zionism?
Probably because Israel is built on their land and they got kicked out?
If that were true maybe they'd have some justification. Since it isn't...
You know Israel has an Arab population of 1.5 million, right?
Yes. That doesn't change the fact they are expanding annexing territory. Why exactly do you think they are against Israel? How was Israel formed? what happened to the 67 borders? This is not to say either side is completely fair.
There were no '67 borders. There was a 1949 armistice line. Lord Caradon, the British Amabssador to the U.N. in 1967 was one of the principle authors of U.N. Resolution 242. He has said repeatedly that the resolution never intended Israel to return to the armistice line, but rather to new borders mutually agreed upon through negotiations.
The only territory Israel annexed since 1967 were Golan and anything within the municipal boundaries of the city of Jerusalem. Israeli Prime Ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert both offered to cede parts of that land in negotiations. The last offer by Prime Minister Olmert in 2008 included an area of land equal to the pre-1967 armistice lines with mutually agreed on land swaps based on current demographics. He also offered to redivide Jerusalem with holy places under international jurisdiction. He was rebuffed. He still holds out hope the Palestinians may accept his offer someday: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/opinion/Olmert-peace-now-or-never.html
Prime Minister Netanyahu has offered repeatedly, including on the floor of the U.N. General Assembly, to immediately return to negotiations without preconditions. He has been repeatedly rebuffed, with the Palestinians basically demanding a surrender before negotiating.
How was Israel formed? First there was the Faisal-Wiezmann agreement of 1919, then the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine (1923), and finally a UN Resolution (1947). Israel was formed by consensus of the international community except for the Arabs in recognition of a need for a safe haven for the Jewish people. Israel accepted the UN Resolution; the Arabs did not and attacked Israel on the day it declared independence. Israel survived that war which guaranteed the existence of a Jewish state.
I can recommend some excellent reading material on the subject if you like.
Tired of this Israel first BS. Yea lets listen to olemert tell us. Should we also have Ronald McDonald tell us what to eat? Unbelievable! Fancy long message of pure garbage
International cummunity agreed to form israel in a location. Did the inhabitants of that region at the time agree to that? After all the intrnational majority (read western countries) have no authority to grant someone's land to someone else.
I only recently found out. IMO, it's because Israel was conquered in WWII and occupied by foreigners. We conquered Germany and Japan but we didn't go live there (except russians in germanay, but you can see where that went). AIPAC (Israel Lobby in the US) is a dominating force in politics and politicians don't dare lose its support. The US sends over $3 billion a year to Israel along with military support, but they just put this money in the bank.
Here is one beginning of the rabbit hole, but careful, it might keep you up all night:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States
To be fair our ancestors did conquer this land from native Americans but I can see plenty of shady activities behind our government's involvement in Israel.
As others put it
"Let us all set out on the path to declare our world's resources the common heritage of the Earth and its people"
until people agree to that on a global scale, conflicts will inevitably continue
Yeah, that is fair about us. I also don't think we should try to evict Israel to try and undo the past, or even stop funding too suddenly, just treat them as a normal other country with no special rights. Religion gets tied up in it I think for the most part.
Sorry to tell you. You sound like a Neo Nazi.
Its ok to criticize a state, I do that to, and I do that a lot. Its a part of democracy. But all these "humanist" which support Palestine just because they hate Jews are just a bunch of Nazis. Same for these anti muslims which support Israel just because they hate muslims. People like that only make this conflict worse.
Who writes history? The winners. All the information is subsidized by the banks and corporations and rulers for thousands of years. The fight is about who has the best imaginary friend or who has the best plan, who is more entitled to life and liberty than others. Nonsense, think about what your saying. "gentiles", "jews", "communists", "socialists", "fascists", all are simple tags to associate hate of one group to another. They are no different than anybody else. The "bible" is named after the Greek word for papyrus which was used to write books. Byblos, a city in Ancient Lebanon, made paper for the original Semitic groups, including Muslims. These groups using the power of books to record history knew that there would be no way to check the accuracy of the information. This tactic later used by all succeeding conquerors. When they were conquered those who kept this knowledge wrote their version of what they wanted the future peoples to believe. Thus the beginning of propaganda.
What kind of government you want is influenced by the wealthy bankers so that they can continue business as usual. Bankers,(some jewish) financed fascist power, to fight communism which would put them out of business. The only problem here is that nobody understands this due to a lifelong misinformation campaign against the worlds public by the financial powers. "elite" families that own the most gold can continue to rule the world behind the scenes,( gold is the primary means of manipulation of a group competing for power). As long as people don't know what is going on. What happened to our national treasure, in the treasury, gold. Raided by the bankers to put in their own Federal reserve charter accounts. Traded privately. Our wealth being used against us to trick the world for their purposes. As they see it we can continue to argue about religion, race, government because those things have nothing to do with them, thus they continue business as usual regardless of these factors. The media elite are the yapping lap dogs of these rich hoping for their next treat. Politicians are strays vying for a position to get the scraps. Naive enough to believe it is just the way business is done, until they are caught in their trap. The only way out is to chew their own limb off. They can write their version of events, but the media in it's many forms can easily cause enough doubt to discredit any attempts to attack them or even know who they are. We the people of the occupy movement inspire the people of the world to educate themselves to the historical facts, minus the divisive tags on individuals, groups, or structures of order. In order to restore the power of the people to decide by majority how to affect positive outcomes for everyone without effecting anybody negatively. We can collectively learn to disseminate historical knowledge and convey the message of repeated abuses by those in power making arbitrary and destructive decisions. We must be free from the influence of baseless argument. Even false positions can be argued endlessly. What we need is empirical data to attain a functioning solution. No argument can be made against the truth. Please understand that the emotions we feel are part of the brains primary survival mechanism of reward and fear. Making decisions based on these factors are insufficient.
Why discredit and disrupt? How does OWS affect you?
A threat from an anti-Semitic hate monger? My response: go for it. You'll only discredit yourself and I question one haters ability to disrupt something so large.
OWS takes no stance on Israel or Zionism AFAICT. Are there Jewish people supporting this movement? Sure there are ! Are there Muslims supporting this movement? Yep. Christian? Of course. Atheists? Uh huh. There are Americans of Israeli heritage and Americans of Arab heritage standing side by side fighting the corrupting influence of big money on our American freedoms.
OWS does need to make a statement against all forms of hate speech, including (but certainly not limited to) the anti-Semitic undercurrent that has appeared. It would be a good topic to bring to a GA. Why? The claim that anti-Semitism is infesting OWS has spread beyond Fox News and the right wing talkers into mainstream Jewish organizations. See: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441467&ct=11299653 It will continue to spread unless OWS nips it in the bud.
Lets Build It Together ! History is still being written . . . We are I T
For The Love of God , We are the Art . . .
http://www.wikioccupywallst.org
Wiki Occupy
Now is the Time
Liberty Eternal
The Dirt Bagger Party will not be distracted!
What do you mean by OWS is pro israel?
It isn't.
This is a completely racist thread. We are not about that.
If occupy wall steet doesn't represent you in their claimed 99%, sign here.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ows99percent/
Okay...we are saying , Jews, National Socialists, Nazis etc. Power killing people. Why don't we just boil it all down to Men. The war is with Men. If you back any man saying anything I cannot support you because we know how power hungry and foolish they are. Ego driven to the point of destruction on so many fronts.
The real problem in the world is just Men. That is the core. What should we do?
So stealing from Americans and subverting their system to suit agendas of those loyal to another nation are not your idea of "good"?
Go Palestine!
Where do you want it to go?
BS yourself. ASAP is a true point, but this is NOT the way to address it nor is it a meaningful direction. what is BS is the idea that it makes ANY sense to bring this to a wall street. you want to take it to a wiki i will be happy to meet you there and i will rain lightning down on the deniers of the current zionist holocaust. But if you want to take it to the protests, you are being a fucking idiot, you are making us all look bad, you are off topic, off target, and generally making yourself a problem for the rest of us to solve.
911 was an inside job. Whether or not zionism was involved has yet to be proven to me one way or the other. you deserve a wiki on which to make that case to me and others. you do NOT deserve to DERAIL the protests on your pet amped up issue.
Zionist israel is YOUR target, and THAT is not THIS death star. our priorities must be first government corruption and direct democracy. You being a propaganda warrior is NOT helping that.
Calling me a zionist shill is pretty fucking lame considering that i would STAND WITH YOU in a wiki environment to prove and explore the zionist agenda. PROTESTING is NOT the place for that unless you want to have your OWN protest SOMEPLACE ELSE. Do not make the rest of us look like stupid and ignorant slime ball racists. We do not need that kind of press,
OWS is NOT a zionist slime ball diversion, it is certainly a way for you to get this issue addressed IF you can BE ADULT and MAN UP and quit wearing your HAT on your ASS.
Now stop being a fooking moron, work to get wikis and sub forums and for you to have a whole sub forum to explore the issue of zionism and a whole section on the wiki for the same thing.
And fuck you for attacking me and my movement over your pathetic whining bratty crybaby stupidity. Quit being an Asshole, and maybe you might find that a lot more people agree with you and will stand up behind you WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT and WHERE it is CRUCIAL
we are not pro isreal, we just don't see the point in making this a race war when the problems are internal to the USA.
this is why we need to start blanket banning the trolls. Then again if the fucking worthless moderators of this forum would stop fapping to sailor moon porn, this place wouldn't be such a dump.
I agree. It should be moderated better and trolling/plants should be banned.This is not about freedom of speech, this is about proteecting what the 99% movement is about: Getting rid of Oligarchs and returning our govt to the people who they should represent.
I think you need to lay off the acid myself.
WE Are the movement To Oppose You! We ARE America 1st!
WE Are the movement To Oppose You! We ARE America 1st!
You must mean "OLD America 1st" or "Pre-September 17 America".
OWS is all about the "New America" that a clear majority of Americans want.
Should we entitle this one, A Letter from Islam?
NO! Jewish Supremacy is NOT Okay!
NO! Jewish Supremacy is NOT Okay!