Forum Post: Are Republicans Throwing the Election?
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 10, 2011, 7:13 p.m. EST by hchc
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from Tampa, FL
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Im 100% positive this is what is happening. A nation of 300 million, and this clown show is what the people got as an alternative option.
That being said, why is it happening? Im not sure, but here are my two guesses:
- "They" already have their pro war/pro banker guy in Obama in place. The public is still fairly calm, so no need to give them anything else.
- The Republicans (and anyone with a brain really) realize the pile of shit that is coming down the pipes, and the next 4 years are going to be disasterous.
I think only a fool would want this train wreck, with all its spoiled people and corrupt leadership.
The GOP puppet-masters think they can unseat BO by killing the economy.
The GOP puppets aren't so sure anymore. Notice the sudden disappearance of GOP town-hall meetings? These assholes can't even show their faces in front of friendly, hand-picked crowds.
As to the GOP presidential candidates, they are so blatantly delusional it is actually reinforcing OWS.
GOP candidates must be shamed and harassed by ever more clever and covert methods.
The Republican National Committee is already putting together strategies for crowd sorting. They are trying to identify the disruptors before the mayhem begins.
These activities will get picked up by local news but the only message that will get out is that you were being annoying.
You will have to find past statements, positions, or contributors to the candidate that is humorous and embarrassing. Nothing goes so far in the news cycle as a red faced politician.
DNC is doing the very same thing.
I live in the presence of mine enemies and you have no idea how serious the Republican people are about keeping you guys a mile away from any candidate.
How do they crowd sort?
By weight.
They look for groups. You have to look like husband and wife...have a kid with you. You have to dress in khakis and a plaid shirt.
If you are below 30 and do not look like you just left church then you are suspect.
Also, carry a book authored by the candidate when you show up.....they will think you are there to get it signed.
Most of all, cut your hair and don't look nervous.
Dude, I ain't cutting my hair. But thanks for the other info. Peace out.
They are going to have a field day with us in Tampa
The GOP candidates are so out of touch with reality they look and sound absurd. And they have only just started their clown show. The really sad part is since it just started we sane normal hard working American people have to put up with the clown show for many months to come. An endless parade of nightmare clowns from Boehner to Perry to Cantor, Bachmann, Cain, Newt and the whole ball of subhuman throwbacks known as Republican/Tea Party people. God save the world from these reptilians.
The things that are leading to the collapse are from both parties, over the last 40 years. Everything goes in cycles, we peaked and now are on the way down.
Gotta love Obama passing 3 free trade agreements in response to OWS- thanks BO!
Thing is, the stuff that needs to happen to save the economy arent being doen by EITHER party. No one is doing anything.
Exactly. Only a fool would think that they were serious about winning. They are either happy with BO, or just dont want the job.
I think they are happy BO gets to preside over this wreckless, self entitle mess of a country we have created.
And if they help reinforce any belief Occupy protesters may have ever had in President Obama they will effectively destroy any possibility for change and uphold the status quo. There is no lesser of two evils in our two-party system.
There are town hall type meetings
Here's a picture of one held a couple of days ago.
Mind you.
You wont like what you see.
Standing room only and no teleprompter required.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/08/photo-more-than-1000-turn-out-to-see-ron-paul-at-iowa-state-university/
Paul Ryan Booed At Town Hall For Defending Tax Breaks For The Wealthy
Eric Cantor Kicks the Jobless Out of His Version of A Townhall
McCain, Boehner Face Flack at Town Hall Meetings - ABC News
etc., etc.
It takes a False Front operation to get a huge, enthusiastic crowd.
Lefty anti-militarism/anti-banks/anti-corruption. But a massive anti-abortion kicker to swing the votes to GOP candidates.
False Front.
Conspiracy theory alert, Bleap, Bleap, ding, ding, wooot, wooot!!!!! See http://occupywallst.org/forum/ows-against-conspiracy-theorys-is-not-everybody-he/
lol, Idiot
Obama has already done that. You better get ready. The chances of a GOP House, Senate and White House are at an all time high.
Almost six times more Americans are in favor of legalizing cannabis than approve of the Republican lead Congress. It is at the lowest it has been in my lifetime. Probably ever. I can't imagine that their choice of presidential candidates has ever been this pitiful. These debates are goddamned embarrassing to watch for all Americans.
Yes, because legalizing cannabis is the number one concern for voters in this upcoming election. The GOP does not lead Congress at the moment. The Democrats do.
Republicans control congress currently. Have you been asleep for the last year? I only brought up cannabis issue because congress approval rating is like 9% and over 50% of the country favors legalization. It was to show how pathetic the republicans are doing. You guys are really fucking stupid.
LOL the GOP only has a majority in the House. Democrats control the Senate and White House. I don't care if they legalize pot. Most conservatives don't. We were laughing at you thinking this was some kind of focal point on whether our country continues to prosper.
We don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem.
The House is Congress. You failed to comprehend what I was talking about but that doesn't surprise me. You are wrong about a lot of things.
The House is half of Congress, and one of three wheels in Washington. But then again, I don't expect someone who thinks banks set tuition rates and Wall Street is the cause of human greed to understand
The republicans control house and fuck that up. They stalemate the senate with the filibuster threat super majority bullshit. They held our country hostage over a few billion in spending and lowered our long term credit rating. I'm not saying the dems are much better but they tried to pass shit and republicans blocked over 75% of it at least. Nothing is getting accomplished in our government. It is a farce. A charade.
You can just continue to imagine what I think I don't care.
So you are admitting that the GOP is more powerful than the Democrats? Even when the Dems have the majority, the GOP can still control things?
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this country is being killed by 0bama and you think legal pot is the #1 issue of the day? you need to lay off the weed for awhile and clear your head.
You might need to adjust your sarcasm meter. :)
you need to lay off the weed.
Re read the exchange. I think you missed that I was making fun of the absurdity of his post.
O.K.
We are talking about the GOP and he comes in with legalizing cannabis as a big time issue. It was right out of left field. lol
you're right. it's been a long day.
NP man. I know the feeling. :)
0bama under orders from george soros( his owner) is killing the economy.
BO is under orders from Goldman Sachs and General Electric, among others.
You know, I wondered that myself that the republicans were purposely trying not to get elected. I think that we are heading into some serious trouble around the corner and the Repubs would like nothing better then for the masses to blame it on the Democrats. The problem with that is most of us know it was the repubs that are largely responsible for the damage that has been done to this country.
I disagree with you, the Republicans are only partially responsible for the economic downturn. Both parties are responsible for allowing spending and unfunded mandates to increase to such high levels that they are unsustainable. This has happened as well in the European countries, to a much larger extent, so it really isn't an American political issue. The primary cause of bubbles - Asian crisis, tech, real estate, and now commodities - is the value of the currency and this is the bigger issue that needs to be addressed. Without sound money, we will not be able to get growth and without growth, there will be no employment.
There is another reason why we have gone global in economics and that is the aging population that did not produce 3 or more children. By 2050 China, India, U.S. will have a much older population living with fewer percentages that make up the work force. Those people that are approaching or are of the baby boomers globally are viewed as great consumers by corporations that want to capitalize on their needs. This is the main reason for the Asia-Pacific region NAFTA AGREEMENT that was signed recently since that area will have the highest consumers needs in the world. Cheaper labor is their primary concern right now and people in the US will not work for those wages. Africa will have the largest population of young workforce population in the world and I would guess that is where production is heading in the near future. This way that have cheaper labor and with the rest of the world with a large percentage of aging people, they will also provide them in consumer products.
Our system never cared about the American people and the sooner we realize that we will be better off.
You are correct about the aging population problem in China. The one child policy is really going to affect them. Labor costs are increasing so rapidly in China that manufacturing is already going local. Much of it is already coming back to the US, just look at the furniture triangle in NC for evidence.
I disagree with you regarding the system. The American people have never been better off than they are now with more goods, more leisure time and a longer life span.
The US is also facing the problem of the aging population status and that is why it willbe mandatory for everyone to pay for health coverage. The US is also trying to increase its workforce population by allowing so many foreigners to come live here that is in part creating competition for those high end professional jobs. The immigrants coming over from Mexico which is questioned by the citizens here of why are government isn't doing anything to support the states that want to stop it. The reason is they want more bodies that are in the workforce age.
Since the GOP is trying so hard to save us, maybe they should have insisted on the government picture ID for employment instead of for voting. Think what that would have saved on Border Patrol, and electric fences.
The health care cost can be cut by 40% by adopting a better system. Pick one from the top 4 or 5 which are spending 8-12% of GDP instead of almost 20%. The reason for it to be mandatory is because they ALL need it. You don't want it, you could avoid it by posting a bond. Proof that it won't fall on the rest of us.
The US is the only developed country that is pro-creating and that coupled with net immigration has be very good. It is hard to forecast what population growth will be as everybody has been wrong for many years.
China could lose millions of men in a war and actually be better off from it..
A lot of them that can't afford to import gals are having to turn queah. Genocide is legal there and most opt a girl child out and take a "do over".
And, I disagree with you! This nothing but pure Republican propaganda! It's one of the biggest loads of Garbage I have ever heard! Man, you don't just eat it the garbage they sell, you try to sell it to your friends like a typical Teabagger.
I'm sorry my friend, the Conservatives are soley & completely responsible for the economic downturn in this country and you can't fool anyone into believeing otherwise anymore. The Cat is out of the Bag.
Republicans want to attack a spending problem they created with their ruinous Bush Tax Cuts, by cutting spending even more, and taxing the Rich even less. The problem with that is that it doesn't Work! It didn't work in the past, and it won't work now! You do know that this isn't the first time that Conservatives have tried this, Right?
Reagan cut taxes on the rich, deregulated Wall Street, and Busted the Air Traffic Union. The result was a Deep Recession, over 10%unemployment, and a crash in the stock market. (Sound familiar?)
The only way he got out of it was by raising taxes on the middle class, and changing the way you calculate the unemployment numbers. The same thing happened under Poppa Bush, and everybody of course remembers what happened under Bush Jr. The Cutting Spending thingy simply doesn't work!
This country does not have a Spending Problem! That is a Republican Talking Point straight from the poisonous pen of Carl Rove, and repeated by Grover Nordquist ad nauseum. and you are carrying the same tune. You should be ashamed of yourself repeating a lie like that!
There is in fact, nothing wrong with the American Economy that a 10% hike in taxes on Millionaires won't cure. And that is the unvarnished truth.
The bottom line is that The Conservative movement embodied by the Republican Party are responsible for all our troubles, and as soon as people like you can accept that undeniable fact is as soon as the country will start to get on the right track.
By the way, I think that if the EU imposes their austerity rules on their member countries, the European economy will go into a tailspin within a year, the people will revolt, and the entire World will be plunged into a full fledged Depression. And you my friend will have trouble selling Apples on the corner.
And, by the way, The Republicans are not trying to throw the Election. The people you see up on stage are the best they got. The last of the true believers. The Conservatives are a dying breed, because their Greed will be their Downfall!
If you believe that the government can allocate assets better than the markets then we should tax everybody 100% and let the government decide. The evidence shows that capital flows to areas that produce the highest after tax return be in countries, states or counties.
I don't worry about Dem/Rep talking points as they are marketing but I do listen to the facts. Economic growth in the 80s was above long range and short range averages and employment increased.
I am not happy with the Republican candidates as I think they are career politicians as will be much of the same as we see with President Obama. I fear we are faced with a long period of low growth and high unemployment.
I do believe that our Government can allocate assets fairer than the Markets. The proof is that the Clinton Era tax rates produced the longest sustained period of growth in American History. By the Same token, Republican Voodoo Economics as orchestrated by the VRC has resulted in 3 recessions under Reagan, Bush, And Bush Jr., The destruction of the Middle Class in America, and the metoric rise of a dangerous Billionaire Elite that is destroying our Country. I don't consider that a good Economic record worthy of repeating. You simply cannot argue with that Fact.
I don't see how you can make a leap from Government allocating assets to taxing people 100% That's just crazy. 10% will do it nicely.
There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that Capitol flows to areas with low taxes. New York is one of the heavest Taxed States in the Country and has the most Millionaires. New York City is also heaveily taxed, and yet three out of the top 10 Richest Men in the World Live here.
By your logic Alaska which has no state tax at all would be home to all the Capitol in the World. I don't see that happening. Even Sarah Palin, now that she's one of the 1% is looking to move.
I don't care how you try to fudge the numbers, they never tell the whole truth. Fact Based Reality is what counts in my book.
I will give you a stark prediction if a Republican with a Businessman mentality gets elected, we will have a Full Blown World Wide Depression within the year, and there will be Riots in the Streets around the world. (History does repeat it's self)
On the other hand if Obama is reelected, and he doesn't get a REAL Filibuster proof Senate, and a clear majority in the House, we will has a long period of low growth, and high unemployment.
No matter how much you may disagree the only hope for real change is to go with the President's agenda and reelected him, while all the Teabaggers who supported the Ryan budget, are all sent home. And, that's the Stark Truth.
From Prof. Devereaux's study:
"However, some broad conclusions can be drawn. It is clear from this accumulated evidence that taxation does play a role in affecting the choices made by multinational companies. However, tax is not equally important in all decisions. For example, effective average tax rates tend to play a significant role in discrete location choices, and hence in the overall allocation of capital; but effective marginal tax rates are much less significant. Differences in statutory tax rates appear to play a significant role in the location of taxable income; there is evidence that such differences affect financial policy, the repatriation of income and transfer prices."
http://www.etpf.org/papers/11location.pdf
If you believe that government can allocate assets better than the markets then why not have them tax at 100%?
Solyndra is employing a lot of people right now and it really looks like it will pay off.
The Clinton years were very good, with good GDP growth n his second term. His results were slightly ahead of Reagans. Bush I presided over a slight recession.
If Obama is reelected we will go through a period of low growth. He truthfully is in way over his head and doesn't understand how to get this economy moving. Business will not invest now and they are sitting on lots of cash.
I don't want a government where Obama decided what I am doing and that is what we are leading to. I don't need Democratic leaders paying off their cronies with contracts. So, yes I am very pessimistic.
as IF it isn't the dems fault?
lmao. this is getting richer by the minute
The r vs d arguement holds no water with me. Clinton was the one that passed NAFTA and repealed Glass STeagal, Bush pushed them along and let the Fed flood the market with money, both parties love the fascism.
BO just kept it going with Afghan and Libya, and the healthcare through the hc cartel bullshit.
Clinton did sign the NAFTA agreement with Congress dominated by republicans at that time.
And plenty of Dems in it voted for it. Most actaully, it had bipartisan support. Same for repealing Glass STeagal, which along with the Reps standing quite while the Fed flooded the market with money, led to the shit we are fighting.
Both parties love the fascism.
You are right and I'm not trying to pick sides since they are both guilty. This stems from growing up and was told that republicans always stood for businesses (corporations) and we all know what that is creating in our country.
I feel for ya. I was a campaigner, pretty involved in Obamas election. It wasnt the rah-rah people, hopey changey ones that inspired me. Or the Obama is evil, R types.
It was those that spoke of "they", and prodded me to look at what they "do" not what they "say".
Ive been on this road for almost 4 years now, and its freakin nuts.
It's almost impossible to penetrate the thick skulls of those who have been perfectly programmed to the bi-party diversion. It's like they are so thick, you have to applaud anyone or anything ever being able to program them at all!
Very very veyr fuckin true!
Neoliberals, all - or almost all. Learn this. Then look for the few non-neoliberals we have and support them instead of railing away like an impotent fool.
The definitions of neo-anything are so skewed, telling someone to "study" it is kinda foolish.
I prefer to just call them globalists.
the neo part illustrates that something changed in our body politic. the old consensus was liberal too. but it was regulated capitalism. after Reagan, not out of hate but a new era of people, the liberal consensus changed into free market fundamentalism. those that know their history, use the neo to illustrate the changes that created globalists.
Well you cant know your history too well if you are spelling REAGAN wrong... Are you saying this is currently raw free markets?
cant or can't?
can not or cannot? "these are currently" "Well, you" etc
lol. just giving you shit homie. i smell.. i mean spell like shit myself.
are you really going to go there. and yes, our markets our less regulated than in the past. ever thought about getting a job as an editor? but thanks for the correction. ;)
Do you work for yourself, or have any family/friends that do?
i am a working class slob who just graduated from college in '09. after having read how the free marketteers have destroyed other nations in the name of profits, I chose to stay a working class slob out of loyalty to my class. I think I know where you are going with this, and I will say that most regulations that impede small businesses are state implemented. The Federal government, of the past, regulates interstate commerce. Now, those that deal in interstate commerce regulate the federal government and that is what makes liberalism new.
and right in front of everyone in the world to see.... both sides working both ends towards the middle
Administrations have no direct control other than conversation over the Federal Reserve so no Bush did not let the Fed flood the market.
NAFTA and free trade have gone a long way to benefiting the US by both lowering prices and improving employment.
The issue of bank and investment bank separation is a tricky one since most people like the guarantee of deposits but how do you guarantee a deposit and also not take risk with the money. We are already seeing the free market adapt to it by private banks opening up. This is the way it was for much of the 1800s so maybe we see that return. It needs a thorough debate.
I would have to disagree with almost everything you said.
Congress has the authority over the Fed. It was in the original legislation. In fact, they are the ONLY ones that have it. But neither one uses it, so I guess the R arguement could be swayed by that.
NAFTA screwed everything up, look around.
6 mega banks have gone from 13% total to 53% total, with more gobbling up coming. If you see this trend reversing, you are seeing something different than I am. I hope you are right.
Yes, Congress has oversight of the Fed but neither them or the Administration has control over the Fed. Neither has a vote at the table.
I see no evidence that NAFTA (lower trade barriers) has hurt American GDP.
Yes, in my opinion, banking will probably move to a mature model with a handful of very large banks that take depositors money and only lend conservatively. However that won't allow risky borrowers and start-ups to thrive so a market will evolve for them which will be outside of regulations as they will not accept depositors money; much like the VCs have worked for many years.
oh you are an idiot. I'm surprised you can even type. we know you can't think.
go suk your messiah Obamas cock you retarded piece of shit. Dems have destroyed this nation since the pussey assed Carter took office.
you make me sick, Please move yourself and your retarded kind to france
Your right in observing that the GOP is throwing the presidential election. the reason for it is a little more fundamental to America's complacent culture. And its the same reason that direct democracy would not work in America.
Americans do not like to think about and make a lot of decisions about politics and governance. For this reason most incumbents have an overwhelming edge over challengers.
Obama has the vote of the board of Goldman-Sachs. That is the only vote that counts. The GOP knows this.
Obama will win not matter how much he is hated by the right for being black and by the left for being a tool of Wall Street.
Obama supports Wall Streets winning margin machine, the Jim Crow anti democracy War on Drugs. That is all that really matters. The War on Drugs is the litmus test for conformity. It targets the disaffected and people who would question authority and mass disenfranchises them. At the same time it uses their bodies to fill prisons in rural white conservative legislative districts for apportionment providing "safe" conservative white districts.
Republicans are driven by either greed and money or some sort of twisted religious beliefs. Of course they are throwing the election.
Sorry, but if you look at the things the Dems have voted for the last 20 years, its all about controlling economics and greed.
D vs R arguement holds no water with this guy.
For once, I completely agree with "hchc".
1 - The Republicans are very happy with Obama, who is actually A TRUE REPUBLICAN. (He ran as the second Martin Luther King but is governing like a third George Bush.)
2 - The Republicans KNOW that the next 5 years are going to be DISASTROUS, if not outright cataclysmic, so they would rather have a so-called "Democrat" President in place to shoulder the blame.
Do you find it interesting that Ron PauI supporters are included on the same SB1867 list as Muslim Extremists? The last person "they", either side of the aisle, want is for Mr Paul to jerk the Incorporated Government out from under their show biz platinum feeding trough.
There is no solution for an out of control nation. Yesterday, my girlfriend's car broke down in the middle of the road.
"Move that piece of shit" "Get outta the way you cocksucker" "Fuck off" "get the fuck outta the way"
These are all things they said to her. This nation is fucked.
That happened to me once. People would honk in anger as they drove around me. I just kept nodding with a smirk on my face. It was as if they thought I was happy to be there in a broken down vehicle, waiting for help.
You expect courtesy for your girlfriends car that have mechanical trouble and you respond with profanities when you comment on it? Maybe you should lead the nation with your actions.
calling him out for what he is clearly quoting? here are some words for you, fk yourself.
You told him real good! Yeah, great post. I wonder which driver told his girl friend, "This nation is fucked"
That's his comment, not one of the drivers.
Maybe I don't understand punctuation.
I was being sarcastic to the ignorant person that told you fk yourself
sorry.
saying this nation is fkd and telling someone to "Fuck off" is the difference between describing and insulting. if you guys can't tell the difference, he is right. you're fkd.
"You expect courtesy for your girlfriends car that have mechanical trouble and you respond with profanities when you comment on it? Maybe you should lead the nation with your actions."
You are rude and fucking stupid- buddy.
The person was saying - If – you - don't – like – to – live – in – a – world – with – profanity – then - don't – use – it
Does it help if I say it slower
no, that was your interpretation of it. splitting hairs as an excuse to insult someone making a legitimate point is spineless bullshit. if you can't tell the difference between a description and an insult, you should see a shrink. don't think for one second you will twist words and nobody notice. your user join date is today. that tells me you are just another cowardly troll. different name tag, same dumb ass.
Explain your interpretation Einstein.
Give me your evidence to support your illiteracy.
Why are you so insulting and combative? Aren’t we all on the same team?
talk to the hand
When the going gets tough, the cowarldy use a bitch move!
I'll make a note of your screen name. Sorry I upset you (not)
yeah, using a fake name and you're no bitch. move along son, ya bother me.
No, really my actual name is peypoto, it's not fake!
seriously, you want to be a dick then think i give two shits what your name is?
No, not what he is quoting - "this nation is ...." where his words. Nice response by the way, I can tell you really want a conversation.
Obama is in for a whirlwind of a time the next four years....
More wars and bankruptcy, Here We Come!!
"Numerous reports have documented how state GOP chapters, local Tea Party groups and organizations like Americans for Prosperity are mobilizing across the country—holding training sessions and posting instructional videos on their websites about how to challenge suspicious voters. But the right's concern about widespread voter fraud has virtually no basis in empirical reality; a 2007 study by the Brennan Center for Justice found that "an American is more likely to get struck by lightning than impersonate another voter at the polls.""
http://www.thenation.com/article/155728/suppressing-vote
I have often thought the same. I agree with your first option. If the 1% percent owns both sides, and I believe they do. Because, as you say "clown shows", the people will re-elect Obama and most will think we won over the evil republicans. Of course today's democrats all have a (R) behind them so we will be screwed either way. This is why the idea of dem primaries gets slapped down and ridiculed. We have to realize that we are not represented by either of these two political parties. There is ample amount of evidence in the public record to very easily come to this conclusion.
Civil rights groups, Democrats fight early-voting limits
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-12-11/early-voting-laws-minority/51816886/1
there are only TWO real paths to success
1) keep the white house, win the house, win the senate
2) keep the white house, win the house, eliminate the filibuster
If you are serious
You people have no idea what is comming
They are bankrupting America to a third world nation to have there ONE WORLD economy were the 1% rules every thing this presidential election governs EVERY THING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0mm22qh48U
Well, my suspicion is that both the democratic and the republican party figure that they'll never get less than 35% of the vote in a presidential election. They could put up Marty Moose, and he'd get 35% depending on what color hat he was wearing. It's all a big dog and pony show, I hate to say it. I will agree with Nucleus, and say that these guys really prefer to work behind the curtain. They hate the heat of bodies, of spotlights, or the harsh, radioactive glow of the truth. What I saw last night was the front runners sucking up to big business campaign donors, and mouthing words that the values voters want to hear. It's all pre-cooked and warmed over each election cycle. The thing is, you never hear anyone utter the word fascism, because then somebody might go look up the word, and then glance around the country with a very suspicious gaze... We have to give up our partisan self-identities, block-voting political parties were never meant to be part of the process. Lots of reforms are necessary, but really... Political parties are a huge obstacle to good governance.
Occupy opened the world's eyes
but
words will not fix it
but
marches will not fix it
We have to stop DEMANDING that we WANT from THEM.
We must change to
GOALS THAT WE WILL ACHIEVE & WHAT WE WILL DO
to sever the wall street leash on washington
Because of the Supreme Court's decision,
we cannot accomplish campaign finance reform in general, without FIRST -
Overturn Citizens United !!!
End Corporate Personhood !!!
83% of Americans already agree on it
as stated in the ABC/Washington Post poll
In the the PFAW Poll -
85% of voters say that corporations have too much influence over the political system today.
77% think Congress should support an amendment to limit the amount corporations can spend on elections.
74% say that they would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who pledged to support a Constitutional Amendment limiting corporate spending in elections.
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Our only immediate goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter Supreme Court decision Citizens United (2010) , that enables unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
“Corporations and organizations are not a persons &
have no personhood rights”
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve –
by disarming our greatest enemy – GREED.
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
THE SUCCESS STORY OF THE AMENDING PROCESS The Prohibition movement started as a disjointed effort by conservative teetotalers who thought the consumption of alcohol was immoral. They ransacked saloons and garnered press coverage here and there for a few years. Then they began to gain support from the liberals because many considered alcohol partially responsible for spousal and child abuse, among other social ills. This odd alliance, after many years of failing to influence change consistently across jurisdictions, decided to concentrate on one issue nationally—a constitutional amendment. They pressured all politicians on every level to sign a pledge to support the amendment. Any who did not, they defeated easily at the ballot box since they controlled a huge number of liberal, and conservative and independent swing votes in every election. By being a single-issue constituency attacking from all sides of the political spectrum, they very quickly amassed enough votes (2/3) to pass the amendment in Congress. And, within just 17 months, they were successful in getting ¾ of the state legislatures to ratify the constitutional amendment into law. (Others were ratified even faster: Eight —took less than a year. The 26th, granting 18-year-olds the right to vote, took just three months and eight days.)
If they could tie the left and right into a success -
WHY CAN'T WE ??????????
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I feel that we should stay with this simple text to overturn CU:
”corporations are not people”
for four simple reasons and one – not so simple:
1
83% of Americans have already opposed CU in the ABC/Washington post poll and the above
IS THEIR POSITION ALREADY.
2
We don’t have to work to convince people on the validity of our position.
3
Simple is almost always better.
4
This simple Amendment is REQUIRED to overturn CU.
And all other electoral reform can be passed through the normal legislative process.
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OWS and these pages are chock full of ( mostly ) excellent ideas to improve our country.
All of them have strong advocates – and some have strong opposition.
None of them has been “pre-approved” by 83% of Americans !
Pursuing this goal – without additional specifics is exactly what Americans want.
What do we want? Look at that almost endless list of demands – goals - aims.
Tax the rich. End the Fed. Jobs for all, Medicare for all. So easy to state! Can you imagine how hard it would be to formulate a “sales pitch” for any of these to convince your Republican friends to vote for any of them?
83% of Americans have ALREADY “voted” against CU. And 76% of the Rs did too.
All we have to do ask Americans is to pressure their representatives – by letters - emails – petitions.
Wanna take your family on vacation?
Convince the 7 year old and the 10 year old to go to Mt Rushmore.
Then try to convince them to go to Disneyland.
Prioritizing this goal will introduce us to the world – not as a bunch of hippie radical anarchist socialist commie rabblerousers – but as a responsible, mature movement that is fighting for what America wants.
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE
I feel that using the tactics of the NRA, the AARP an the TP – who all represent a minority – who have successfully used their voting power to achieve their minority goals - plus the Prohibition Amendment tactics – bringing all sides together - is a straight path for us to success that cannot fail to enable us to create and complete one task the MAJORITY.
Join the OWS Restore Democracy Working Group at
............. <http://www.nycga.net/groups/restore-democracy>
Plan details with supporting documentation at: http://bit.ly/vK2pGI
regular meetings 6-8PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium @ Wednesdays
YOUR ACTION ----> JOIN US TO PASS THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT
TO END CORPORATE PERSONHOOD
Whereas --
The OWS Declaration of the Occupation of New York City states that
"a democratic government derives its just power from the people,
not from corporations."
and --
the ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 83% of the entire US population
opposes the Supreme Court Citizens United decision,
which affirmed that corporations are people.
and --
by supporting the overturning of corporate personhood,
OWS clearly aligns itself with the vast majority of the American people
who support ending the fundamentally flawed and anti-democratic concept
that corporations are people.
therefore --
We support a constitutional amendment to end corporate personhood.
Too bad everyone in the movement wont address it, make demands, or allow it become "political"- what a joke that was. This is about as political as it gets..
we have ONLY three paths-
I VOTE FOR NUMBER 1
THE CAPITAL OF DEMOCRACY IS THE VOTE
I think there is a high chance that the Republicans will win he next election, especially if OWS "boycotts" the voting booth.
I think there is 0 chance they will. They arent taking it serious, they dont want it (onlu a fool would try to lead this train wreck), and Obama has been a great fascist for em- not need to change anything.
Well, I hope you're right. All I'm saying is that a Republican victory would seal all of our fates. It would be a calamity, and therefore I don't think we can afford to "boycott" the voting booth. We must do EVERTHING in our power to turn this situation around. I'm not saying that a renewed Obama presidency will solve our problems - far from it. I'm just saying that we cannot afford another Republican administration. That would be the death knell of our democracy and of all our hopes.
Dude, we dont have R or D admins, they are all fascist. Doesnt matter if Obama or Newt or Romney gets elected, its gonna be the same shit- more helping the 1%, more wars, more spending, more gov control.
Same shit, different party.
I think you are both right and wrong. A Republican administration would be an absolute disaster.
Ofcourse thats what you think, thats what they want, a lesser of two evils approach, therefore assuring that one of the evils is in control at all times.
agreed
What, exactly, are you advocating?
There might be some thing to this. If you really think about it, Obama is a die hard Republican. All we have gotten since he has been in office is Republican ideas and agenda... It wouldn't surprise me if behind the scenes the Republicans really do want Obama to win and are trying to throw this election.
GOP candidates are a joke...Obama is beatable but none of the GOP clowns will beat him. Just look at Perry, Gingrich, Cain, Bachmann, Romney et al.
Ron Lawl makes sense and looks like an honest man but he isn't even close in polls. Somehow this forums change Ron into Lawl
The forum changes it because they are censoring us... We need to speak up. This sort of censorship is should not be tolerated by the OWS movement, especially when he is the one candidate that has views in line with ours AND has verbally said he understands our frustrations... Total opposite to what Gingrich said about us. Gingrich blatantly pigeonholed the whole movement saying we need to "go get jobs and take a shower." Yet this site allows us to type Gingrich, without censorship
In the 2012 election the 99% can show our power by writing in our choice for authentic honest leadership in this country and an individual who can relate to those from other countries and negotiate betterment for all not try to enslave and battle with them...WE are Over It.!!!We will not accept anyone on the ticket in 2012!
So re-elect your guy BHO and see how great things are - hope & change needs a second term LOL!
Get rid of the corruption and watch real statesmen/women start getting elected. Currently the only choices we have are all bought and paid for by the special interests. Here's my 2 cents:
There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list reforms people Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.
We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!
For the sake our our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.
For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!
I guess you are about to figure this out anyway, so here it is. All of the smart, moderate (read "not extreme", or "establishment") Republicans left the party years ago. They are called Independents, now. So, after the circus leaves town, they will do a massive write-in campaign for Mayor Bloomberg
This will make the Koch brothers so mad they will force a brokered convention and Chuck Koch will accept a draft to run as the Republican/ T. E.A. Party candidate.
Carl Rove will run as Charlie McCarthy with him sitting on his knee, funded by his superpac.
It's the Battle of the Titans. And Lush Rimbaugh will take a double hit of Oxycontin and think it is great.
If only it were happening in some other country.
The GOP fights early voting, as it tends to favor Democrats. They enact restrictive voting laws, so that in TX if your ID is expired on election day, they BLOCK you from voting. Wealthy people tend to have more free time to make sure their ID is updated. Also, the poor tend to move more than the wealthy, so they must make sure they change their voter registration every time they move! In Texas, if you want to register someone to vote, you must first appear before an elections official and be deputized. So better not help your friends register to vote or you might go to JAIL!
D vs R, doesnt matter. the same three industries fund both of em, so if the parties want to play little voting games, and get the voters all against each other, its just more diversionary bullshit. Most poor dont vote as it is, its pretty much a middle class thing, and senior thing.
That isnt true in Texas, otherwise campaigning would be illegal. You need to start providing some links to this stuff.
You need a deputized supervisor present if you are going to register people to vote in TX.
http://texasimpact.org/PDFs/FIT07VoterRegDrive.pdf
Also, for a state know for its megachurches, I find this particularly convenient:
"A congregation or other group may use voter registration lists to identify unregistered voters, provided that it does not target voter registration efforts to those who are registered with a particular party."
I stand corrected, although Im not sure if this paper that two people wrote qualifies as a decent source :)
I thought the same thing last time. Look what they offered?
I know there must be some sharp Republicans that woud be electable, but look what's been running. It seems every candidate has some sort of flaw that will make it hard to be elected
I agree with you, are they just pretenting to want to win.
OWS please register to vote absentee, as you are more likely to vote if you do. The wealthy Republicans have paid bounties, as much as $20 per Republican absentee collected in key districts. The Democrats almost never pay for registrations, have not for years as far as I know. I am speaking about California mainly here.
what are you talking about you can't pay people to vote, can you link to any article saying republicans paid $20
Candidates will pay people to find Republicans to REGISTER absentee, to request a paper ballot in the mail. And yes, I have seen the price as high as $20.
Provided shit really hits the fans, being rich will be useless, as money will no longer mean anything. We're already starting to see this with the housing fiasco. People are starting to question the idea of zombie banks controlling everything in America and, in my opinion, it's only a matter of time before the idea of purchasing a home is somewhat arbitrary, since people will just squat everywhere and we will be focusing more on getting jobs just so we can trade for goods, like computers and tvs, instead of land and housing. I honestly think that there needs to be a different currency to function in tandem with the dollar, since having the dollar as the universal medium simply doesn't work, especially with the idea of people becoming homeless because of fluctuations that happen in world trade dealing in the production and distribution of toys made in China and shit. At the rate we're going with our system, everyone's going to have to buy a mountain of shit and work like slaves for a long time just to pay for their housing, which is already built. Isn't it funny, yet sad that we're paying for our housing by fueling an out-of-control consumer culture, by paying for houses by filling ours and others with more shit?Just my opinion.
I agree with a lot of your post. My only hanging hope is that humans have always came through disasters, the will to achieve is something that is bred into us. I hope...
0bama is a tool of the LEFT , not the right.
He's a tool of the globalists, which encompasses both parties.
Wake up dude..
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I think the Reps intentionally threw the last one.
Got any facts on that?
No.
If the Republican governors had suspected that Texas Lockjaw and Mormon Mental Molasses would strike, this field would be entirely different.
There's a half-dozen governors who would have jumped in.
As matters stand, Newt Gingrich looks to be the beneficiary of their cowardice. He didn't raise a lot of money. He used his television exposure at Fox News all through the 2000s to compensate for having few resources.
Now all he has to do is beat Ron Paul in Iowa, where Romney is slated for a third place finish. Then do well enough in New Hampshire before taking SC and FL going away. This nomination is Newt's for the taking.
Maybe he'll get 45% in the General Election. Maybe not. Newt's as much a bullshit artist as McCain. Thing is, McCain knew he was a bullshit artist. Newt's got himself bullshitted.
Ha, your right, he really seems to buy his own bullshit. Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer are two that are way better than these clowns.
It's called Narcissistic Personality Disorder. From Axis II in DSM-IV or V.
He's a Sarah Palin type, except that he knows enough history to wow the yokels.
Republicans are not throwing the election... What you are seeing is that many of the candidates are not worthy to be president when they actually get the spot light... You are seeing a rise in interest, then a fall of the candidate when they actually have to start answering questions and standing behind policies.... You will see that Romney will fall, and Gingrich will fall and they, along with Cain, and Bachman will merely be footnotes to the 2012 election... The one candidate that will rise above all others and the media will be Ron Paul. The people have spoken, and there wont be any stopping it... Ron Paul will be president.
i think the real republicans didn't want to take a chance of losing so they prompted the losers to take a stab at it. "Yeah man, i think you should do it. you could totally win (giggles under breath)" we will see the real republicans resurface after the elections. in congress as well. i really think they are just keeping their heads down so they don't have to be seen with the newly elected idiots. the dems are due for a round of freshly elected idiots next round, that should be just as much fun to watch lol.
"real republicans"? not sure what that means anymore, but if they are afraid to take a chance, they probably aren't worth a damn anyway.