Forum Post: Americans for Responsible Solutions
Posted 11 years ago on April 18, 2013, 9:50 p.m. EST by bensdad
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Grassroots courage, How to make change.
http://www.nationofchange.org/fearlessness-grows-grass-roots-1368280478
http://www.nationofchange.org/marriage-equality-victories-show-how-change-happens-one-step-time-1368285012
& some evidence of progress.
http://www.nationofchange.org/local-fights-against-austerity-are-growing-across-us-1368110252
Bump!
Re. The US Constitution & Gun Ownership - perhaps people should reflect on the implication, nature and meaning of the word - "Amendment" !!!
ad iudicium ...
The first 10 amendments are more commonly known as the BILL OF RIGHTS. Rights that are not granted by govt, nor can they be taken by govt. Reflect on that.
Are you suggesting a beardy-man in the sky has given you ''rights'' to own lethal weapons ?!
ab absurdum ...
Well, where do you think "human rights" and "civil rights" come from? If you object to "God given" there are those that prefer "natural". Either way, they are inalienable.
"This is a song about tomorrow and about how tomorrow can be better. if we all,
"Each one reach one, Each one try to teach one".
Nobody can do everything,
But everybody can do something,
Everyone must play a part,
Everyone got to go to work, Work for Peace.
Spirit Say Work, Work for Peace
If you believe the things you say, go to work.
If you believe in Peace, time to go to work.
Cant be waving your head no more, go to work. "
Never mind the old beardy man in the sky, don't alienate yourself from :
amor, lux et iudicium ...
Americans for Responsible Solutions = Gabby and Mark's pension plan.
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CISPA cybersecurity bill approved by the House of Representatives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaNgddLyiA0
do you agree with Obama on CISPA
what his claimed veto? i don't buy it he said the same about ndaa.
He did say he would veto it
Can you cite where Obama said he would veto the NDAA -
with its thousands of sections besides the 1-2 we are concerned with
I suspect that vetoing the NDAA would lead to a partial government shutdown and might even stop us from feeding our troops.
Thats because you're a pawn.
glad to see at least you get it.
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Heres your facts in regards to that:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00044#position
Take a good long look at that. Hey, stranger things have happened though. Im just guessing that after things like NDAA and all these drone wars and new bases, this will fall right in line.
But hey, ya never know.
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If thats acceptable for you then I suggest raising the bar just a tad bit.
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Thats a cop out. If he held an immediate press conference, and explained this horrendous piece of legislation, and told everyone to get on the phones and tell em they want this thing out.... And there better be a new fuckin bill on my desk by the end of the week....
If this isnt possible, then the system is totally broken and you should listen to the anarchists in occupy.
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I guess thats the magic potion- do things at christmas.
Pathetic.
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Gimme a fuckin break. If you really think this wasnt all planned, and he didnt know damn well what was going on.... If he cared he would have made some noise about it. He would have demanded that no one is going on christmas break until its fixed.
Senate passed it 93-7. The fuckin slime that they are. And you think the POTUS is any different? He's fuckin special?
You know what, he is special. He can keep people believing no matter what he does. Doesnt matter. War. Bombs. Bailouts. Food. Pipelines. NDAA. Doesnt matter. He's a charmer.
The people love a charmer. Just like they love Jersey Shore.
yep yep and yep.
I'm sorry, I just can't get worked up over background checks, the problem is handguns. Background checks are fine, but I don't see them as much of a help in reducing the deaths from handguns.
I agree with you - but breaking the strangle hold of the nra
( and all other crapitalists )
on our government is a primary OWS goal
The second amendment certainly needs a good review, but people are so paranoid. Unfortunately there not likely to give up their guns. the irony is the only path is to slowly chip away at gun rights making the paranoid ones right.
It’s not paranoia. People really do want to take ALL the guns away. Note bens post below and your suggestion that the 2nd amendment be reviewed.
I know people keep saying they don’t want to take our guns, they just want better regulation. I don’t believe them. Their objective is to regulate guns out of existence. That’s why gun owners are so set against ANY new gun restrictions. They know it’s just another step toward gun confiscation.
I'm not an activist either way. I look at it more coldly perhaps. The real problem is handguns. To stop gun deaths you have to remove them from society. So you have two choices, accept the death toll or eliminate the guns.
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My four points are SIMPLY based on seeing a logical parallel between cars & guns.
Please consider advocating these four steps below to help America with our 11,000+ gun disasters:
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all gun owners must be licensed & tested with all guns they own and pass a written test.
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every year, you must prove that you have gun liability insurance &
be background checked and prove that your gun is properly locked when not used.
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as the owner of a gun, you are legally responsible for what is done with it.
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every gun must be registered and tested & a sample fired bullet stored by the police
how about you mind your own business and I continue buying as many unregistered guns as I want. Ya what about my freedom? I don't even want to have a license plate on my car I think that violates my freedom also.
Lets make the cops work for their government bum paycheck instead of hassling us working class cause we didn't slow down in their speed trap soon enough!
pretty please - please - please -
drive around without any license plates
pretty please - please - please
lets make it law first, we are free, and need not report to no one. That way when cops want to chase bad guys they can do all the work instead of create an imbalance such as ticket quotas, and keeping the money for themselves. The money cops collect in ticket fines should go to other people to pay for their car registration and insurance, not the damn government robbers. Its our money we worked for it, they didn't, they just steal it legally.
I agree with the logic of your plan, but in trying to argue it the parallel doesn't hold up because of the constitutional right to bear arms doesn't have a parallel when it comes to the ownership of vehicles. Government may infringe on your right to drive all it wants.
I'm in a strange position of playing devil's advocate when I feel that the second amendment should be removed and handguns removed from the population.
I have no problem with your plan but it isn't of much use against madness or suicide (two thirds of all gun deaths are suicides).
exactly!!! Bensdad keeps trying to draw parallels to driving and that is apples and oranges. Driving is a PRIVILEGE granted by govt. Owning a gun is a natural right that cannot be 'granted' (or forbidden) by govt.
I understand his frustration. If you're going to actually do anything about gun violence you have to deal with the handgun.
Gun ownership is a right given to us by an addition to the constitution, that can be reviewed and changed, but only when enough people want to.
I think it’ll be awhile before “enough people” want the 2nd amendment reviewed. There are about 80 million gun owners in the US and an estimated 300+ million privately owned guns. One of the most common things gun owners say about gun ownership is it’s to protect them from the government if needed. At least that’s what the MSM keeps reporting.
I think the anti-gun folks underestimate the resolve of gun owners not to give up their guns. Even if laws are passed I suspect compliance would be low. That’s what I keep hearing. The new saying is “When guns are outlawed I will be an outlaw”. Count me in that group.
It’s not the NRA the anti-gun nuts should be worried about. It’s the 76 million gun owners who aren’t members of the NRA. When gun owners feel threatened they become a single issue block vote. Politicians know that.
I know all that. I'm not an anti gun activist, I'm very fatalistic about it all. The more serious problem is the handgun. There are two choices. Eliminate it from society or accept the death toll. As a society we accept the death.
For me I don't own a gun and don't care to, so I'd vote to remove the second amendment. I'm in a small minority and accept that, so I just offer my opinion.
That "addition" to the Constitution is also known as THE BILL OF RIGHTS.....not privileges.