Forum Post: American Nazi Party Unwelcome
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 25, 2011, 6:21 p.m. EST by Kurwamac
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Your morals are detrimental to the movement and the support is only tied to the idea that jews are in charge of the corporate systems that are putting us down.When in reality it is a conglomeration of different types of people that form this 1%.
Our thesis is that we don't give a damn what color you are, what language you speak, or to whom (if anyone) you pray; you still deserve the same shot at the American Dream as the guy down the street from you, even if he makes five times as much as you do. Racial politics are both completely unacceptable in today's world, and an excuse for people who disagree with us to write us off as a bunch of nutjobs. Plus, from a purely practical standpoint, do we really want to give Fox News an excuse for a soundbite calling us Nazis / nutjobs / KKK 2.0? Kurwamac is right, the Nazis and the tinfoil hat people need to go back into the woodwork and stay the hell away from us.
Exactly.
agreed, we are not interested in Nazis or their ideas.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://maplight.org/us-congress/guide/data/money?9gtype=search&9gkw=list%20of%20campaign%20donations&9gad=6213192521.1&9gag=1786513361&gclid=CP61oYbB-qsCFQFZ7AodcTF0jw
http://www.opensecrets.org/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
Odd. I have not seen a official statement from all of OWS that they are not welcomed. So until , there is an official statement by the OWS , it seems like they fully embrace all parties bad , and good.
Nationalism is exists
sieg fail!
there does not seem to be much of this zionist propaganda beyond the odd troll posts and some nut jobs with handy signs.
This movement is not race related???
Shouldn't be, at least. Our thesis is that we don't give a damn what color you are, what language you speak, or to whom (if anyone) you pray; you still deserve the same shot at the American Dream as the guy down the street from you, even if he makes five times as much as you do. Racial politics are both completely unacceptable in today's world, and an excuse for people who disagree with us to write us off as a bunch of nutjobs. Plus, from a purely practical standpoint, do we really want to give Fox News an excuse for a soundbite calling us Nazis / nutjobs / KKK 2.0?
Better get used to it poser, you lose!
But the OWS does have a lot of segregation in it (e.g. meetings that are 'for non-whites only'; in Oakland they even had 'no whites allowed' tents set up). The movement draws it's inspiration (or claims to) from 'the Arab Spring', which is generally hostile to Israel. The movement is also like 99% white. I can see why racists kooks like the neo-Nazis (all 9 of them) might interested.
oakland was a rogue situation and does not represent any other occupy, anarchists and criminals co-opted the occupy.
Why are u posting lies. this one is so stupid it's almost actually funny to seen someone this stupid. You really discredit yourself and make yourself look stupid. But you don't care when you hide behind a computer.
Lol! How am I 'hiding' anymore than you genius?
I posted no lies. There were 'no whites allowed' tents at Occupy Oakland and there are racially exclusive 'caucuses' held at Occupy Wall Street in Zucotti Park.
Search for the word "segregation" at this link and you'll see a photo of one of the "no whites allowed" tents at Occupy Oakland:
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/24/is-occupy-oakland-as-bad-as-they-say/?singlepage=true
So, you do agree that this sort of racially exclusive stuff is wrong, don't you? Don't kill the messenger; facts is facts.
Wow that was a lot to read! Anyway that wasn't segregation that was a group labeling there own tent. Like sumone saying hey ima a black gay. Is it wrong to title oneself. That was a very slanted report against occupy Oakland. Most of it is very sketchy journalism. With a lot of "" it seems"" and no facts. Like there are going to be bags of cocaine laying on pallets. That shit would get snatched up right?? Did they call the police or was the mystery stuff in the baggy tested?? Any arrests for drug use??? Was the guy smoking the joint actually smoking a joint? Is he actually a protester or a homeless man( maybe both) this wasn't journalism it is crap. Tell them to go to school and learn to get facts before they slander.
A 7-Eleven one block from the protests in Portland, Ore., reported a higher-than-normal $6,000 in shoplifting since the protest began Oct. 6. The store has added a security guard.
http://news.yahoo.com/patience-tested-over-waste-crime-protest-sites-204527509.html
OWS is going to quickly loose mainstream support if it keeps up this crap.
Proof arrest them one block away you are just spreading smears.
Huh?
Who stole the merchandise??? Have they arrested the OWS movement and charged them for it?? Who stole the stuff you are calling people guilty before they have even been charged. I didnt know a movement could be sent to court.
No, a movement can't be sent to court. It can loose public support though.
Yes it can if you spread heresay and rumors without any proof. The owner could just be righting it off for insurance??? Get a 6 grand check and blame it on some protesters. But that is just a rumor I can't back it up. 6 grand ? My wife works part time at 7/11 and that amount of loss is ridiculous? Are the employees sleeping?
Here is a brand new one to score some points with the public:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/pair-living-with-occupy-boston-protesters-arrested-for-selling-heroin/
They were indeed actually arrested with proof.
Court is proof. If they are guilty they deserve time. But one person isn't everyone. Are all republicans druggies. Rush Limbaugh was caught illegally with large amounts of oxycontin. No they aren't. Generalizing people falls under the same idea as racism or segregation you are categorizing a whole group of people because of ones mistakes. You are doing the same thing as you are accusing on this post. And yes I have to agree with you it don't help the movement. But it's our job to make the rest of us non criminals look good
Look man, I'm not a jury here. I am just saying that articles like that are popping up on the front page of Yahoo!. Articles about that incident, pooping everywhere, a store owner who had his sink broken off the wall because someone was trying to bath in it, it goes on. People read them and they believe it. I mean if there are feces on the ground in a park where people have been living/protesting for a month, I think most reasonable will assume that it was on of those inhabitants.
The only thing keeping the property owners from evicting the protesters is public opinion. Once that goes, everyone will be sent packing.
Excuses, excuses. The fact is they had racially exclusive tents, the photos prove it, and none of your lame rationalizations or denials changes the facts.
sometimes ppl of the same color or gender do need to get together to talk things over. there is a type of counseling called co-counseling or re-evaluation counseling (RC) where people work together on issues pertaining to their own situations, and this is often easier to do with just your sub-group. it may be there are times for being with all of our brothers and sisters and times where it is valid to work with the smaller group to work through issues particular to that group. i don't think it's racist for just black people to get together at times to talk about some stuff, or for just women to group together. it kind of acknowledges the truth of certain types of oppression and creates space for the oppressed to work together in non-critical space.
Give me a break. You're just offering up same tired old politically correct rationalizations for this divisive BS. A group of blacks informally discussing issues together os no big deal (assuming they wouldn't chase off a white who cared to discussion), but holding meetings that exclude participation on the bias of race or having "people of color only" tents is just 'progressive' apartheid.
i disagree. there are issues i'd rather sometimes discuss just among people in the same boat. there are many people who find this useful. the language of RC would be that it is important to discharge stress around the issues particular to your own group in safer space. racism and sexism and a host of other isms are not tired and old to the people still going through them. they are very difficult facts of life.
Well, I thoroughly disagree. I think you're just rationalizing racism; framing the issue in terms of 'reevaluation counseling' doesn't change that fact. I think it's incredibly divisive and counterproductive.
you feel like just about everybody who first hears that minorities would sometimes rather discuss things without you present. totally normal.
The signs aren't segregating. You are stupid if u actually believe that. Even I get the humor from the guy who made that post. That isn't journalism it is a joke To make Occupy Oakland look bad.
You're like a creationist denying fossils. It's a fact; Occupy Oakland had racially exclusive tents. But this sort of 'politically correct apartheid' isn't limited to Occupy Oakland. As I have already pointed out, at Zucotti Park they have racially exclusive 'caucuses' and meetings also. It's extremely divisive and counterproductive. You don't create racial harmony by encouraging blacks and other minorities to have their own special, exclusive activities.
Denying it happens or rationalizing it as 'celebrating diversity' or 'empowering people of color' (the usual bromides) doesn't make the problem go away. It's stupid, divisive and when you see it, you should object to it, not be a silent coward lest someone question your motives.
If you don't understand what is happening dont comment. The OWS dont segregate groups. there isn't a segregation unit that decides how to segregate! These are groups or clubs that come to protest. Have you been to a protest??? Are you saying OWS is racist? Maybe it isn't corporations fault this economy sucks. I completly blame you. Your stupidity is on such an astronomical level it takes any intelligence sucks it in and destroys it like a black hole destroys light. Where do you work??? You must be on disability for low mental capacity. I apologize for calling you names like stupid. It isn't funny to pick on the mentally handicaped. Good day licking windows
Ok, it's clear now that you aren't playing with a full deck. As a rule, once someone has revealed themself to be either a child, an imbecile, or mentally Ill, I cease responding. There's no point arguing with a child or a madman. Sayonara! Hope you get well someday...
Good bye
Given a long history of being oppressed and suppressed it is reasonable that many non whites would want to caucus among themselves. That's not at all equal to the time worn exclusion that non white groups have suffered.
What an absurd argument; two wrongs make a right? Why should non-white OWS protesters exclude the white OWS protesters? They personally never excluded or secluded them. It's pure racism: "people that look like you excluded people that look like me so now I'm gonna exclude you." It's ridiculous. What makes it even dumber is the fact that the definition of what counts as 'white' versus a 'person of color' makes no sense anyway. How is a European Spaniard whose ancestors were imperialist, Amerindian killing slaveholders and is physically indistinguishable in appearance (has the same phenotype) as a Frenchmen or Italian a 'person of color'? It's stupid and divisive and should stop. Period. No more lame excuses.
ignorant of yur own history i guess. dismissed.
In other words, you have no intelligent response. Figures. Point proven.
nope, but there comes a point where repetition of the obvious is just too tedious. not like convincing this guy will change the world or make my day. oh, it's you. g'night now even i have to sleep sometimes.
exactly.
anyone who points out the fact of israels influence on US politics is called a tin foil hat wearing nazi