Forum Post: Am I a 99%er?
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 12, 2011, 11:26 a.m. EST by Offacough
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from Atlanta, GA
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I worked two jobs while in college in order to avoid debt. I work 70 hours/week in an attempt to help my business grow. Last year I paid over 50k in federal income taxes. I pay for healthcare for my wife and myself out of my own pocket.
If I add up all my property taxes, state income tax, payroll tax and everything else I paid out over 100k in taxes alone. That is entirely too much for a corrupt system...
You are certainly among the 99%. Please take a moment to read and understand how the 1% try to keep you burdened under an endless cycle of debt.
This isn't an attack on the rich. There is nothing wrong with being rich. There is a problem with being rich and stealing from the poor. There is a problem with few people controlling the wealth, and to that end there is a problem when those who control the wealth are not helping their country and society progress.
David Walker, former US Comptroller General and chief of the GAO, warned before the 2004 election that if large economic changes were not made, by 2009 the United States and its taxpayers would not be able to afford the interest payments on the national debt. A study authorized by the US Treasury in 2001 found that in order to keep servicing the debt at its current rate of growth, by 2013 income taxes would need to be raised to 65%. If the United States cannot afford to pay the interest on its debts, that would be the final stage of economic collapse and hence result in a total textbook bankruptcy. The systematic crisis would in turn spread to the rest of the world.
How did this happen? Why is the US national debt $14,819,350,000+? Of the 203 countries in the world today, only four (!) do not owe others money. The collective external debt of all the governments in the world is now above 40 trillion dollars and this number doesn’t include the massive about of household debt in each country.
The whole world is basically bankrupt. But how? How can the world as a whole owe money to itself? Obviously, it’s all nonsense. There is no such thing as ‘money’. There are only planetary resources, human labor and human ingenuity. The monetary system regulated by Federal Reserve is nothing more than a game… and an outdated and dysfunctional one at that. Those in positions of social power alter the rules of the game, at will. The nature of those rules is guided by the same competitive, distorted mentalities that are used in everyday “monetary” life, only this time the game is rigged at its root to favor those who run the show. For example, if you have 1 million dollars and put it into a CD at 5% interest, you are going to generate $50,000 a year simply for that deposit. You are making money off of money itself… paper being made from other paper … nothing more - no invention - no contribution to society – no nothing. That being denoted, if you are a lower to middle class person, who is limited in funds, and must get interest based loans to buy your home or use credit cards, then you are paying interest to the bank, which the bank is then using, in theory, to pay the person’s return with the 5% CD! Not only is this equation outrageously offensive due to the use of usury (interest) to ‘steal from the poor and give to the rich’, but it also perpetuates class stratification by its very design, keeping the lower classes poor, under the constant burden of debt, while keeping the upper classes rich, with the means to turn excess money into more money, with no labor. That reality aside, there are other games in the system which have worked for decades, but are just now starting to bloom into the inevitable mathematic disasters that should have been anticipated 100 years ago. The point is, our system is broken. Simple policy change will not solve our debt problem. We need to alter the governmental paradigm if we wish to repay our debt. We need to end the Federal Reserve Board.
This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This is a matter of upholding the Constitution. Congress gave over the power of the purse in 1913 to a quasi-public-private bank called the Federal Reserve which manipulates global currencies. This is wholeheartedly unconstitutional, and at this point it's become immoral. We must act now.
I think it all comes down to how much you MAKE. If you're a millionaire and you're paying 100k in taxes, I gotta say I don't have a lot of sympathy for you. If not, hell, get on board.
Actually the real problem is the 0.01% - but that number is not catchy enough for OWS. I disagree that the real problem is the 'rich' and that we should tax them.
I reside in the same town as P & G, General Electric, Chiquita Banana, and 5/3. You sir, paid more taxes from your small business than these multinationals combined.
You are the 99%.
I'd have to look over their books to see if they should have payed taxes or not. Blanket statements are not very nice and I will try not to partake in them.
I am a 99%er who is diametrically opposed to your uninformed & ignorant movement. You do not speak for me . Your aiming in the wrong direction.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/152512/6_ways_the_rich_are_waging_a_class_war_against_the_american_people/
I am a 99%er who is diametrically opposed to your uninformed & ignorant movement. You do not speak for me . Your aiming in the wrong direction.
What is it you think am I uninformed or ignorant about?
We should be aiming... where?
Funny American
What is your business?
I own a small business dealing in high end retail seasonal items. Also provide many services. Currently employ 63.
YES! Small business owners drive the American economy. Not corporations! Small businesses need a way to survive and thrive. I'd consider you a 99%er. Good luck!
High end, i.e. you cater to the rich, they milk the system dry and pass some of it along to you. How much do you pay your employees? Do they have benefits?
I do not cater to the rich, I cater to anyone who wants a quality product.
I pay my average employee $9.00/hr. Some make up to $15. Others make $7.25. Whenever I hire I have stacks of applications of people begging for $7.25/hr. No benefits, I'd rather hire more employees than pay for benefits. Most of my employees are in college, just out of HS or blue collar truck drivers.
Exactly as I thought. You should be ashamed of yourself. Here's how it should work, you should pay your employees more and provide them with benefits so when they get sick, and later when they retire, the taxpayers don't have to cover your burden, this way you'll pay less taxes!
Hey bjkahuna,
I've worked many jobs for small companies and very seldom had health coverage. This doesn't shock me at all because we can't place undo burden on small business when they are responsible for the livelihoods of their employees. That's 63 families with income and above minimum wage income for some of them.
What we need to do is find a way to make it easier for small businesses to offer healthcare without the financial burden.
I agree. But paying people 9.00 an hour is a disgrace.
You would rather me fire half of them and double the other half's pay? That would not really work however as I require that many people to run the business properly. You want me to increase cost which may put my business at risk of losing customers in order to pay what you deem is a fair wage? Even raising everyone by only $1.00/hour would increase business cost by $10,920/month.
As a side note...
I believe healthcare is right not a privilege but I don't think it's small business' duty to provide that right.
Oh, and I wanted healthcare so I found a better job. There's nothing wrong with that.
The health care and insurance industries are evil behemoths.
Agreed.
Why should I be ashamed of myself for providing jobs? If they want benefits they should get an education and a better job. I work around class schedules and offer to help pay for classes. I would shut down my business and retire before paying for benefits.
They should get a better job, i.e. you provide shit jobs with shit pay and reap the rewards. This is why you should be ashamed of yourself, but your greed and self-importance enable you to avoid a thing like empathy. You are better, they are worse. But how much better are you? You are exploiting a desperate workforce. The "quality products" you sell are probably trifles. Tell me how much you take home per year, we already know you have 63 employees, we could do some math, imagine a world where you treat your employees better, take home a little less but also pay less in your whiny bitch taxes, so tell me, how much did you take home last year? Because your employees are taking home what, 15,000 or less?
I pay myself 200k/year for my work and risk. I have other incomes from my rental properties. I pay my people what they are worth. They come to work happy and seem to enjoy what they do most of the time.
I welcome anyone to take a risk of being a business owner. You assume I am greedy yet I provide jobs to many and donate much product and money to charities.
None of my employees are on government assistant of any kind. They live within their means and know if they want to earn more they have to work for it.
Guess what, you are nowhere near the top 1%.
Never claimed I was. ;)
The 1% rears its ugly head. How dare you come on this forum and flaunt your wealth! Do you realize there are starving illegal immigrants in California who room 12 to a house, just to send money back to their families in Mexico? What are you doing for them!
You are the poster child of the problem!
Exactly. Why should illegal immigrants have to live 12 to a house when this guy obviously has money and property and a car with rims and a badass stereo and a bitchin' Camero with mag wheels?
Donuts on your lawn!
"Bitchin' Camero! Bitchin' Camero I ran over my neighbor!"
I thought we were concerned about fixing the US first. Let's worry about Mexico later.
MikeyD and Captindoody are goons here to stir crap up and give people bad ideas. I read a couple of their other posts.
Look around you man. Canadians started this movement, and our worldwide support is enormous. One world government! Feed the poor!
Our support here isn't too good. OWS Washington was counted at 53 people. That is ~.099% of Washington's population.
As for "one world government", give me an example of a really good one country government that we could emulate... Canada does not even allow free speech.
So should we tax others more, to lower your burden?
Or.
Should we demand that the government stop redistributing our wealth, so that your burden will be lessened?
Taxing everyone less would be ideal. The majority paying no federal income tax should have to pay something though. There is no "free lunch" so to speak.
No you aren't. Obviously you are a have. It matters not how you got to be a have because you did so in an admittedly corrupt system. You will be one of the first to be targeted for redistribution and re-education.
lol - sorry, but i am well within the US 99% income-wise. Redistribution of what I have wouldn't pay for too much; Re-education? -LMAO - how does that work? Wouldn't we have to start teaching 3rd grade math to all the marchers first?
No. We should send people to our version of Siberia - North Dakota - to live in tents until they understand the social contract.
Why not Canada? It would cost less than keeping them.
I think you are. OWS Washington had 53 people yesterday. Do the math with respect to Washington's population and that works out to~.099 %. So the OWS marchers are getting it wrong by a factor of 10000. Everybody else is way over 99%, right?
yup you are.
I am amased at how Occupy works and would like to have your input on the movement to understand it better. It relates to the questions of its buttom line nature as a movement, so could be interesting for you too. Can you answer 10 questions, please. I am happy to send results if you are interested. Thank you! http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q3NF7QB
There is no way to judge. You paid 100k in taxes... How much did you make? If you made $1billion and only paid 100k, then you are part of the 1%. If you aren't trying to cheat the tax system, you are part of the 99%.