Forum Post: ACT QUICKLY! We are being co-opted by MoveOn.org
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 9:31 p.m. EST by JohnB
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Read the story and sign the petition here:
http://signon.org/sign/formally-demand-that?source=c.url&r_by=1259376
Signed.
MoveOn move out of my movement!
fuck yeah! thank you for circulating my petition around. I was starting to feel like I was talking to myself. PLEASE READ AND REPOST! moveon.org and the ron paul movement cannot be allowed to win this battle!
Dude if you want anyone to take you seriously you should refrain from the obscenities. to me you are a joke
I don't care what you think!
Boo troll
Even Stevie Wonder could see this coming.
Ha! holy cow that made me laugh
lol, on their own website too?
I like the irony.
"Note: MoveOn.org Civic Action sponsors SignOn.org"
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Yeah I did that because I'm a fan of irony.
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lol
It's EXTREMELY unethical. Everyone who signed just got on MoveOn's email and mailing lists and their information will now be for SALE.
Yeah I did that because I'm a fan of irony. Sorry, I am just trying to convey the humor of this particular irony.
ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone who signed this will need to UNSUBSCRIBE as soon as you recieve any email from MoveOn or affiliated political and party organizations or they will spam the shit out of you. Been there!
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It's only sponsorship when they start paying for everything.
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I'm not Liann. If they want to show up, march, hold signs that'd be great.
They just shouldn't start waving money around.
I applaud them for donating 10 million dollars to the ACLU a few years ago.
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We're just going to have to be louder and more active.
No one is being co-opted and I have not seen any video where move on claims to lead or speak for OWS. If you want to see how OWS makes decisions, go here: http://nycga.cc/ or attend a general assembly in Zuccotti Amd get on stack if you have an idea or concern. This movement is leaderless but welcomes anyone to support and join. It is not about petitions to EXCLUDE anyone's voices! I am very suspicious that whoever keeps expressing this "concern" that move on is cooptimg OWS may have a more nefarious intention themselves- possibly an intention to divide supporters and pit people against one another. It won't work, by the way, so don't bother if that is the goal. Come to GA if your interest and concern are so sincere! Thanks.
The reason people are concerned is that the media is painting us as an arm of the democratic party. If the media succeeds in doing this we will just be another pawn in the left versus right stupidity that dominates politics. We need MoveOn to back down a bit so that we can remain clearly party-neutral. This is the only way to continue to legitimately claim that we represent the 99%.
Again, the paragraph on the right is unprofessional and emotional. Rewrite it. Fix your grammar.
Who cares?? We need to boycott imported goods Buy Made in the USA!!!!!
so much will be accomplished by harassing moveon.org
actually nothing will be accomplished
focus on your own issues
Yeah! Get them out!
http://youtu.be/7Ck_HPcyQbM
Obama can't jump in and put a lid on this too directly so he's doing it via his MoveOn goons and suits. They don't really want to give up being rich, just saying it is all they want.
Wait -- so you want us to sign a petition on signon.org that is part of moveon.org?
Sounds like a way to get their mailers.
UMM SIGNON.ORG IS AN AFFILIATE WITH MOVEON.ORG, and sends emails to anyone who signs the petition.
Note(ON WEBSITE): MoveOn.org Civic Action sponsors SignOn.org. By signing, you agree to receive email messages from MoveOn.org Civic Action and MoveOn.org Political Action. (You may unsubscribe at any time.)
from the about at signon...interesting connection.
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I think you might be able to take MoveOn.org to court over this with a civil suit. I'm not a lawyer, but I think do so.
WTF, JohnB? I know that MoveOn is doing this but this petition seems to be one of theirs and everyone who signs gets data mined and subject to their non-stop spam! From the site:
Note: MoveOn.org Civic Action sponsors SignOn.org. By signing, you agree to receive email messages from MoveOn.org Civic Action and MoveOn.org Political Action. (You may unsubscribe at any time.)
While you're all signing petitions you know nothing about, can you all join this Facebook group to Abolish Women's Suffrage??
I mean.. You don't want women to suffer, right??
www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=222482181
Cya.
John B you just registered today like myself. Where were you yesterday? which protest? I am here to learn. I am not signing any petition.
I would never ask anyone to sign a petition they don't agree with or don't understand. I have not had internet access since I've been here. I finally have the time and a laptop, so I'm attempting to make good use of my time.
You are way off base on this. You can't stop free speech. There are probably a lot of people in the Occupy Movement who voted for Obama and will again. You want to ban Moveon from talking to people. People have the right to talk to whom they wish. You or anyone else does not own the Occupy movement. On whose authority are you passing this petition? Who do YOU represent? To be clear, I did not vote for Obama and don't particularly like or agree with Moveon (too liberal for me) but to say, "Moveon, out of my movement!" This is absolutely ridiculous and childish.
I am not asking them to leave, I am asking them to stop speaking to the press and claim they represent our movement in total. They are claiming to speak for all of us - that is co-opting at it's worst. If they can do that, we can ask them to stop. Andif they don't stop, we can freely choose to call them out, make everyone else aware of what they are doing, and act with our conscience and our wallet, by boycotting their co-opting attempts. There is nothing childish about it. It's called equal exercise of free speech
Oh, sorry, i misunderstood. I think it goes to the point, if I may say so, of not have a structure and organization. Can you tell me what you stand for, simple and to the point? If not, then you might have 5000 people saying different things. When there is a vacuum of leadership, others tend to step in and up. Also, you risk losing valuable veterans of organizing. I would like to see some structure and leadership that is representative of the core values and principles of the 'movement. Let me give you a classic example of what I perceive as a problem. I was at a protest here in Medford, Oregon where about 400 people showed up on the 15th. Since, there is no organization here either, people are not being signed up, and there are not meetings to carry things forward. A lot of people would otherwise make commitments if there were a structure with chapters across the country.
i support moveon. are you trying to exclude me? everyone is welcome to participate, only the peoples voice speaks.
Uh, MoveOn isn't a person, it's an organization.
this is your real motivation. and i noticed all of your posts are anti moveon, anti obama, or http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposal-ows-reply-to-purported-democratic-support/ if you want to participate thats cool. but do not expect to be taken seriously until you can cut the party crap.
Not sure what your point is. No, don't like Obama, and therefore do not want his front organizations to divide what could be an important unifying movement. (I am a registered Dem btw who joined with Occupy until MoveOn moved in.) I object to the sneaky way MoveOn insinuates itself and is trying to push their reelection agenda through what is nominally a non-partisan movement.
ok, they are not on here telling people they cannot be part of this. you are. you are creating the divide. you know my point, you knew what i meant. you are a fkn troll. peice of SH!T
We are trying to preserve the unity of all the voices through consensus. Your assertions are irrational.
read for yourself. http://ows.superunion.org/results/?q=LetsGetReal see anything unifying? me either.
Eh, I'm looking, and all I see is discussion, debate, and communication. How is this a bad thing? The Forums here however are not facilitating a consensus process as they do at the General Assemblies.
I'm not telling anyone they can't be part of this. I am objecting to an Obama election front organization's attempt to take over.
I've noticed this turnaround tactic of the MoveOn folks. As soon as someone objects to their involvement as divisive to a potential populist movement, they accuse the dissenter of trying to exlude people and causing division. It is MoveOn's involvement in OWS which keeps the country divided and the Dems know it. In fact they count on it.
I doubt you are a MoveOn op though. They are far too sophisticated to resort to calling people poopy heads.
Soros talks with the president.
What, then, are the chances that this move is just coincidence? Close to zero.
To the extent this is old school politics, it's worse than an enemy that, at least, will openly declare that he opposes you.
what is move on?
Democratic party. Same people Liann is spamming for. They are here to divide and kill our movement.
You were CREATED by MoveOn.org and the Tides Foundation, and Van Jones, and Steven Lerner. etc.
We tried to warn you. We tried to show you the proof. We're STILL trying to show you the proof. When will you listen?
Bullshit. Those are the groups trying to hijack our movement. This movement is non partisan and was commenced by AdBusters.
Do you know who owns/operates/influences AdBusters?
"The AdBusters Media Foundation describes itself as "a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age." (wiki)
"At the heart of Adbusters is hatred of big business, in any form. As Naomi Klein writes in No Logo, “Simply put, anticorporatism is the brand of politics capturing the imagination of the next generation of troublemakers and sh*t-disturbers, and we need only look to the student radicals of the 1960s and the ID [identity politics] warriors of the eighties and nineties to see the transformative impact such a shift can have.” http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/36-adbusters
They ran this ad in the New York Times in 2003-BEFORE the economic crisis ever happened!
"July 4 Because my country has sold its soul to corporate power Because consumerism has become our national religion Because we've forgotten the true meaning of freedom And because patriotism now means agreeing with the president I pledge to do my duty ... and take my country back. "
"Adbusters generally prefers rage to discernment. “Let your anger out. When it wells up suddenly from deep in your gut, don’t suppress it -- channel it, trust it, use it. Don’t be so unthinkingly civil all the time,” Kalle Lasn advises. “Rage drives revolutions.”
And finally, here is an article in AdBusters that was printed on July 26th, 2011 with the term "OccupyWallStreet" in it! How many months before any "grass roots" people heard about it?
http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/blackspot-blog/vision-post-clicktivist-activism.html
P.S. One personal blog where the guy has done his homework and states in the replies:
"By the way, I have spread no disinformation. My post on "Who Is Behind The Occupy Wall Street Movement?" is SHARING INFORMATION from:
Two radical left wing publications --
The Nation Magazine Rolling Stone Magazine
Three radical left wing organizations --
Adbusters Media Foundation Campaign For America's Future MoveOn.org
and a David Horowitz associated website --
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/"
his blog is http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/2011/10/wall-street-protest-grows.html
no we weren't. They showed up after we made it.
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http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-03-22/news/30073732_1_stock-market-seiu-secret-plan
Read this newspaper article from the Business Insider dated March 22, 2011
Mr. Lerner, then wrote an article himself saying that his ideas, far from being deep dark conspiracy, were just what other people have been thinking.... http://www.thenation.com/article/159547/back-you-glenn-beck
And those groups then went to work, organized, got permits and worked out deals, and then had a Canadian magazine "leak" a supposedly original, grassroots, idea. One the rest of us have been watching for since March.
And now that you naive little sheeples have got it off the ground and running, they'd like to take the reigns now thank you very much.
This petition is wrong, sloppy, abusive and unneccessary .. with all the real problems we have right now this all you can come with to change the world? Grow Up
DO NOT SIGN THIS PETITION. It being circulated by MoveOn to data mine you for your personal info and to sell it.
Under the place where you sign it says this:
Note: MoveOn.org Civic Action sponsors SignOn.org. By signing, you agree to receive email messages from MoveOn.org Civic Action and MoveOn.org Political Action. (You may unsubscribe at any time.)
Just signed. I support OWS not Moveon.org. I will not vote for any candidate supported by Moveon.org. I will ask my friends and family to do the same.
Just signed it. And passed it on to a friend.